Posted on 05/27/2007 6:59:49 PM PDT by freedomdefender
Yes, you are right. It appears that we were looking at different things. I understand now. You were thinking more of a long term lease of commercial space (like an empty ex-KMart or Albertsons or old style multiplex theaters) that could be built out to specs. That would be different than what I was discussing. And, with that clarification, there is merit to your proposal.
That would probably be most workable in the older inner ring suburbs - less available space in the new suburbs.
The other solution to the problem is to do what we did - affiliate with a denomination that doesn't have any control over the property (although that doesn't prevent takeovers on a church-by-church basis.)
Are you high church or low church?
... Out of some 892 people on their "members in good standing" list, and out of the supposed 2,500 people Fr. Armstrong claims are members.
Not even a quorum, in other words -- a signficant majority didn't vote at all. I was actually rather surprised by their low turnout -- it's something the CANA folks ought to be concerned about.
But Armstrong said, "In as much as the bishop thinks our vote is illegitimate, I think the bishop is illegitimate. What the bishop really ought to be concerned about is whether I'll file a slander suit against him."
One of the interesting things about this situation is that we who did not follow Don Armstrong have had various opportunities to meet with and hear the Bishop. He's nothing like the man Don Armstrong describes ... and he's preached the real Gospel with a passion and depth that Armstrong hasn't approached for years. He's trying to do the right thing, too: the charges (and the evidence to support them) are such that no responsible bishop could or should ignore them.
I don't agree with the bishop on a lot of things, but in this situation he is acting properly.
Armstrong does come across as intemperate, in his media comments.
So am I, as the former warden of the oldest church in west Tennessee, but it is all gone with the wind.
I loved the old churches from Virgina to South Carolina.
I hate to see them go.
Oh, we RELY on Cranmer in my Anglican Use parish. I was just saying that as a Reformation martyr he may not have been so popular with Rome through the ages. I’d defer to your superior theological knowledge if I’m wrong.
I'm just saying that Rome needs to look past Cranmer's understandable confusion (given the political issues of the age) and concentrate on what he got right.
Since they approve him for AUR, they can't have any serious theological problems with what he wrote.
As I understand it, the words of consecration are retranslated from the Latin for the AUR . . .
That’s very true! We and the TLM parish are the only ones in town that still use the Roman Canon. They have the english on the right, we have the latin on the right. What I meant was we still get to use Cranmer for most of the collects, the general confession, the Prayer of Humble Access, etc. (And for you Rome hunters out there, we do a general confession - there is no general absolution.)
I’d love to see more of our service adopted by the church as a whole. The way we sing the psalms, in Anglican Chant instead of those gawdawful GIA settings would be a good start. Even Gregorian Chant as far as that goes. The Holy Father wants more Gregorian Chant... I wouldn’t mind adopting some of that. GC is delicious.
And for one more of my gripes, no matter how many NO masses I went to I never stopped cringing when the priest said “and the FRIENDSHIP of the Holy Spirit...”
I have never heard that.
Of course, our parish is so orthodox it would make most Jesuits (at least the St. Louis variety) run screaming from the building . . .
We do the Gregorian chant, occasionally the Psalm tone from the missalette. Parish uses "Celebrating the Eucharist" from Liturgical Press in Collegeville - miles better than the stuff from OCP.
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