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A Compass That Can Clash With Modern Life
New York Times ^ | June 12, 2007 | Michael Slackman

Posted on 06/11/2007 11:55:46 PM PDT by Lorianne

CAIRO, June 11 — First came the breast-feeding fatwa. It declared that the Islamic restriction on unmarried men and women being together could be lifted at work if the woman breast-fed her male colleagues five times, to establish family ties. Then came the urine fatwa. It said that drinking the urine of the Prophet Muhammad was deemed a blessing.

For the past few weeks, the breast-feeding and urine fatwas have proved a source of national embarrassment in Egypt, not least because they were issued by representatives of the highest religious authorities in the land.

“We were very angered when we heard about the Danish cartoons concerning our prophet; however, these two fatwas are harming our Islamic religion and our prophet more than the cartoons,” Galal Amin, a professor of economics at the American University in Cairo, wrote in Al Masry Al Yom, a daily newspaper here.

For many Muslims, fatwas, or religious edicts, are the bridge between the principles of their faith and modern life. They are supposed to be issued by religious scholars who look to the Koran and teachings of the Prophet Muhammad for guidance. While the more sensational pronouncements grab attention, the bulk of the fatwas involve the routine of daily life. In Egypt alone, thousands are issued every month.

The controversy in Cairo has been more than just embarrassing. It comes at a time when religious and political leaders say that there is a crisis in Islam because too many fatwas are being issued, and that many of them rely on ideology more than learning.

The complaint has been the subject of recent conferences as government-appointed arbiters of Islamic standards say the fatwa free-for-all has led to the promotion of extremism and intolerance.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: egypt; fatwa; islam; muhammadsminions

1 posted on 06/11/2007 11:55:50 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

where do they get mohammed-pee?


2 posted on 06/11/2007 11:57:46 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: HiTech RedNeck

It’s possibly a by-product of consuming adult female coworker breast milk? For, as we all know, “a woman at work can take off the veil or reveal her hair in front of someone whom she breast-fed.”

Ai caramba! Muslimos locos!


3 posted on 06/12/2007 12:16:52 AM PDT by flowerplough
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Um, why did the NYT call the article “A Compass that Can Clash with Modern Life”? How about “Islamist Maniacs Show that Sexual Harrassment is not a Crime, It’s a Privelege”. I don’t hear any feminist outrage, either. Just how selfish and hypocritical can modern feminists be? Oh, but I forgot, power must be sooo enticing and addictive for feminists so they don’t dare ally themselves with the opposition.


4 posted on 06/12/2007 12:19:59 AM PDT by TheThinker
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To: Lorianne
A couple approached. The man’s clothes were tattered, and his wife looked distressed. Their 9-year-old son’s clothing was clean, his hair gelled, his smile bright. The man explained that they had adopted the child when he was 9 months old, and that they had just heard that under Islam their son had to be put out of the house, because the mother had not given birth to him or breast-fed him.

He would reach puberty as an outsider, and could not, technically, be around the woman he knew as his mother. The imam at their local mosque said it was haram — forbidden under Islam — to live with the boy.

The sheik said yes, that was right, that the boy could not live with them. The father leaned in, disturbed, and said, “And that’s it.”

The sheik seemed stuck and referred them to another sheik for another opinion.

That was their fatwa.

Apparently the problem is that the boy is nearing puberty. It sounds as if, under Islam, an adopted boy past the age of 9 cannot live in any house where there is a woman.

5 posted on 06/12/2007 12:28:24 AM PDT by wideminded
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To: HiTech RedNeck

> where do they get mohammed-pee?

Re-constituted. The dried stuff is scraped off a rock in Mecca.


6 posted on 06/12/2007 12:32:56 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: Lorianne

thanks, bfl


7 posted on 06/12/2007 12:36:13 AM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: Lorianne

So... it’s like an Edict from the Pope, except anyone can issue it...

Imagine if Christianity had “cult” built into it’s modern functions. And I don’t mean as a whole religion, but regionally. “The Church of Kentuky has deterined that since Noah’s family did it, Incest is mandatory!”

While New York has determined that “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you” is in effect. (And later finds that *in keeping with the edict* 73% of New Yorkers must be nihilistic.)


8 posted on 06/12/2007 12:50:36 AM PDT by MacDorcha (Peace is not the highest goal - freedom is. -LachlanMinnesota)
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To: Lorianne
First came the breast-feeding fatwa. It declared that the Islamic restriction on unmarried men and women being together could be lifted at work if the woman breast-fed her male colleagues five times, to establish family ties.

I'm thinking: It's early, but this has gotta be Scrappleface.

9 posted on 06/12/2007 2:25:10 AM PDT by Ocracoke Island
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To: TheThinker

Gawd, what a $h|tty country, what a horrid “faith”.


10 posted on 06/12/2007 2:31:11 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (I never consented to live in the Camp of the Saints.)
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To: Lorianne
It declared that the Islamic restriction on unmarried men and women being together could be lifted at work if the woman breast-fed her male colleagues five times, to establish family ties.

Missed this one. Is that why Islam has taken off in CA and Michigan?

11 posted on 06/12/2007 4:18:22 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Lorianne

ALL RELIGIONS HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM.........
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People screw up a good idea with their silliness.
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From Jim Baker saying “Build me a waterpark” to the various fatwas issued by clerics. People are the problem in religion.
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I can see God slapping his forehead thousands of times a day, thumbing through the bible going “Where did they get the idea of using donations for limousines?”


12 posted on 06/12/2007 4:41:56 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (The Democratic Party will not exist in a few years....we are watching history unfold before us.)
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To: Slings and Arrows; martin_fierro
First came the breast-feeding fatwa. It declared that the Islamic restriction on unmarried men and women being together could be lifted at work if the woman breast-fed her male colleagues five times, to establish family ties.

Apparently, someone didn't think this through clearly enough. ;)

13 posted on 06/12/2007 4:47:58 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Why vote for Duncan Hunter in 2008? Look at my profile.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

“I can see God slapping his forehead thousands of times a day, thumbing through the bible going ‘Where did they get the idea of using donations for limousines?’”

... and humming “not with water but with fire next time...”


14 posted on 06/12/2007 6:58:36 AM PDT by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
Apparently, someone didn't think this through clearly enough. ;)

I dunno; sounds to me like he gave it a great deal of thought.

15 posted on 06/12/2007 6:58:49 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("My wife's credit cards were stolen. I didn't report the theft. Whoever had them was spending less.")
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To: Slings and Arrows
I dunno; sounds to me like he gave it a great deal of thought.

Ya.

Whether this is lunacy or genious depends upon whether or not you'd hit it. 

16 posted on 06/12/2007 8:22:17 AM PDT by zeugma (Don't Want illegal Alien Amnesty? Call 800-417-7666)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

The bottlers of Mecca Cola will simply rename, and remove the caramel coloring from their product..


17 posted on 06/12/2007 8:24:30 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: 75thOVI; Abathar; albee; Alice au Wonderland; Amityschild; andie74; Andy'smom; Augustus McCrae; ...

No amateurs, please.
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18 posted on 06/12/2007 8:40:37 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Lorianne

Where does the Mo-p*ss come from?


19 posted on 06/12/2007 8:42:32 AM PDT by cardinal4
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To: Lorianne
These muzzies and all their complex laws for living.......

I want to see a republishing of Khomeini's writings on all this. Remember reading excerpts after he took over Iran. Wild stuff, like rules about what you could and could not do with a goat after you humped it. Just unbelievable this thinking can still exist in 2000 A.D.

20 posted on 06/12/2007 10:21:32 AM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: Lorianne; HiTech RedNeck; flowerplough; TheThinker; wideminded; glorgau; MacDorcha; ...
I hope all of you realize that this is frontpage, above the fold.

I verified that the story was true before I put it in the frontpage sidebar last night. I thought the Times must have buried it. When I checked the Times' frontpage today, I was quite surprised to say the least.

21 posted on 06/12/2007 10:34:15 AM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

Wow. Just wow. I was sure this was a late April fool’s joke when I first saw it!


22 posted on 06/12/2007 10:43:19 AM PDT by curiosity
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To: neverdem
I wonder if the NYT would be interested in Muslim converts to Christianity. Nah...probably not.
23 posted on 06/12/2007 11:09:20 AM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: neverdem; All

Amazingly, the NY Times has been publishing quite a few of these kinds of articles lately.


24 posted on 06/12/2007 11:14:33 AM PDT by Lorianne
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To: neverdem; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
"We were very angered when we heard about the Danish cartoons concerning our prophet; however, these two fatwas are harming our Islamic religion and our prophet more than the cartoons," Galal Amin, a professor of economics at the American University in Cairo, wrote in Al Masry Al Yom, a daily newspaper here.
"Not to mention the fact that we mass murdered thousands of people on 9/11/2001," the professor added.

Thanks ND.
25 posted on 06/12/2007 11:15:11 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated June 8, 2007.)
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To: Lorianne
the breast-feeding and urine fatwas have proved a source of national embarrassment in Egypt

Ya think?

26 posted on 06/12/2007 11:44:43 AM PDT by steve-b (It's hard to be religious when certain people don't get struck by lightning.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

27 posted on 06/12/2007 12:29:24 PM PDT by rageaholic
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To: TheThinker

We have holy water, they have profet piss. We have Coke, they have camel pee. So, ya know, people are pretty much the same everywhere.


28 posted on 06/12/2007 12:45:45 PM PDT by rageaholic
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To: HiTech RedNeck
"...where do they get mohammed-pee?"

Anyone can find pee over at the Ali!

29 posted on 06/12/2007 4:32:17 PM PDT by Radix (Claim 10 dependents on your W-2 and have the Gov't struggle to make ends meet.)
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To: doorgunner69; SunkenCiv

http://ethnikoi.org/iran.html

A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate vaginally, but sodomising the child is acceptable. If a man does penetrate and damage the child then, he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl will not count as one of his four permanent wives and the man will not be eligible to marry the girl’s sister... It is better for a girl to marry at such a time when she would begin menstruation at her husband’s house, rather than her father’s home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven. [”Tahrirolvasyleh”, fourth edition, Qom, Iran, 1990]

A man can have sex with animals such as sheep, cows, camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village, but selling the meat to a neighbouring village is reasonable. [”Tahrirolvasyleh”]

If one commits the act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrement become impure and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed as quickly as possible and burned.

Wine and all intoxicating beverages are impure, but opium and hashish are not.

If a man sodomises the son, brother, or father of his wife after their marriage, the marriage remains valid.

During sexual intercourse, if the penis enters a woman’s vagina or a man’s anus, fully or only as far as the circumcision ring, both partners become impure, even if they have not reached puberty; they must consequently perform ablutions.

A woman who has contracted a continuing marriage does not have the right to go out of the house without her husband’s permission; she must remain at his disposal for the fulfilment of any one of his desires, and may not refuse herself to him except for a religiously valid reason. If she is totally submissive to him, the husband must provide her with her food, clothing, and lodging, whether or not he has the means to do so. A woman who refuses herself to her husband is guilty, and may not demand from him food, clothing, lodging, or any later sexual relations; however, she retains the right to be paid damages if she is repudiated.

If a father (or paternal grandfather) marries off his daughter (or granddaughter) in her absence without knowing for a certainty that she is alive, the marriage becomes null and void as soon as it is established that she was dead at the time of the marriage.

If a man commits adultery with an unmarried woman, and subsequently marries her, the child born of that marriage will be a bastard unless the parents can be sure it was conceived after they were married. A child born of an adulterous father is legitimate.

Ali [son in law of Mohammed], having cut off the hands of two thieves, treated their wounds and offered them his hospitality, and this affected them so much that they became utterly devoted to him; or again when he heard that the marauding army of Muawiyah had abused a woman of one of the tribes, he was so upset and moved to pity he declared: “If a man died after such an occurrence, no one could blame him.” And yet, despite a nature as sensitive as that, Ali bared his sword and hacked the perpetrators to pieces. This is the meaning of justice.

- “The Sayings of Ayatollah Khomeini, Political, Philosophical, Social and Religious” (The Little Green Book), ISBN number 0-553-14032-9.


30 posted on 06/12/2007 4:37:23 PM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
where do they get mohammed-pee?

I just happen to have a few bottles. About $300.00 each plus shipping.

31 posted on 06/12/2007 4:37:40 PM PDT by gitmo (From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.)
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To: Fred Nerks
A man can have sex with animals such as sheep, cows, camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village, but selling the meat to a neighbouring village is reasonable. [”Tahrirolvasyleh”]

Moral: never buy meat in the next village

32 posted on 06/12/2007 4:42:47 PM PDT by rageaholic
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To: Fred Nerks

If a father (or paternal grandfather) marries off his daughter (or granddaughter) in her absence without knowing for a certainty that she is alive, the marriage becomes null and void as soon as it is established that she was dead at the time of the marriage.

That sounds reasonable. Too bad it’s the only reasonable thing on the whole list.


33 posted on 06/12/2007 4:49:05 PM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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To: Fred Nerks
You da man, that is what I remember reading. Too bad we can't for the LAT, NYT, et al to publish this and educate the less informed just who we are dealing with.

Still unfreaking-believable what rules the muzzies guide themselves by.

Going to copy down you find, thanks.

34 posted on 06/12/2007 5:04:03 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Since every third Arab Islamic seems to be named Mohammad, it shouldn’t be hard to come by.

Nasty habit, though.


35 posted on 06/12/2007 5:49:32 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: gitmo

no no...you’re on the wrong sight...you want peeBay


36 posted on 06/12/2007 10:18:50 PM PDT by xp38
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