[Ethan Clive Osgoode]

This article doesn't get into Kallmann's American Society of Human Genetics and its members, which is another sordid dimension of eugenics history in America.

[Ethan Clive Osgoode]

Ping just to let you know your whole educational system is run by Nazis, eugenists, and socialist psychos.

[samtheman]

I do want to read this entire article later, when I have the time.

I’ve only just glanced over it briefly and much of the material I’m already somewhat familiar with, enough to point out that there is a difference between the Theory of Evolution and the Theory of Marxism with regard to how they are used by totalitarians.

Totalitarians have been attracted to both theories, it is true. And in their hands, both theories have been “applied” in a way that resulted in much evil and many murders.

But still, there is a fundamental difference that’s worth keeping in mind. Marxism is totally and solely a political/economic theory that must be applied to human society in order to test it. It only makes sense in terms of how it works in human society. It has failed that test miserably in hundreds of cases and is currently responsible for over one hundred million deaths. Those deaths are directly attributable to the very idea of Marxism/Leninism.

The Theory of Evolution, however, as much as it is liked by some totalitarians, is not a theory of how society should be run. Not at all. It is a theory that explains the evidence in the rocks and in our cells and in our DNA. It is a very successful theory at explaining those things and the main body of science in regard to that theory has advanced without an eye towards any “social applications”.

Those who “apply” the Theory of Evolution to human society are not biologists, are not Darwins and Mendels. They are Marxists (Hitler was also a Marxist, of sorts, though he eschewed the word), who found it convenient to drag the Theory of Evolution into their repetoire of “explanations” for reasons for killing people.

Marxism is an evil theory designed to build the greatest structure of evil in the history of the world. (It failed. Islam has it beat.)

Evolution is a scientific theory that is grabbed by the scruff of the neck and yanked into the torture chambers built by Marxists and forced to perform “dirty work” in those chambers, work that amounts to, really, nothing more than providing pseudo-scientific cover for the work of torturers and has nothing to do with the science itself.

Anyway, I do intent to go back and read the whole piece, but this is my initial reaction so far.

[samtheman]

Oh, one more thing.

The Theory of Evolution lives or dies by how well it explains what we find in the rocks and in our DNA. The success of the theory itself is not touched by those who mistakenly try to “apply” it to human society. And in its own terms (explaining rocks and DNA) it is probably the most successful theory in the history of science.

The Theory of Marxism, on the other hand, can only prove successful by creating a successful human society based on its precepts. It has never created such a society, not once. It is an abysmal failure everywhere it is tried and it’s current body-count is in the hundred-million range.

So on the one hand, you have history’s most successful Scientific theory and history’s most unsuccessful political theory. Of course the Marxist politico’s are going to try to wrap their naked failures in some semblance of evolutionary argument. But it’s only a semblance. It’s only a pseudo-scientific charade. Read Stephen J. Gould, one of the great writers on evolution, to see how unscientific the Marxist “applications” of evolution truly are.

[BlackElk]

ndt: You can see from the article upon which this thread is predicated why people who really believe in God and people who well know that they are not soulless chimpanzees will NEVER accept your idea of "accepted standards."

Everyone else: ping your friends (and your favorite enemies) to the text of the underlying article. For all the things that matter, carry on.

[lentulusgracchus]

Has it been that long already?! Seems like yesterday the fundamentalists and inerrantists were taking on the Darwinists in Kansas. But it's interesting to see the Catholic ethicists weighing in on the same side as the fundies, basically on the basis of who and what the fundies' opponents were.

The authoress's comments about what the journalist said to her about "reading the report" (translation: you people who disagree with us are all so reprehensibly ignorant....), contrasted with the newspaper's decided lack of interest in what she had to say when she had read the basic documents (and a good deal more!) and had her stuff all put together for an intelligent reply, speaks eloquently to the feigned objectivity of "media" people.

[syriacus]

In fact, the [Scopes] trial commemorated the legality of teaching the biological inferiority of certain races and classes of people. [34] The textbook on trial in that famous case, Hunter's A Civic Biology, [35] espoused white supremacy and the "science" of eugenics, thus bolstering through education the sterilization campaigns going on at that time by the "scientific" communities in the United States.

Whoa!

[Wilhelm Tell]

On its negative side it becomes racial preventative medicine; on its positive side, racial hope . . .

Those words really struck me. The Nazi regime can be seen as just a more extreme (I almost wrote "pure") example of the same mentality that dominated much of the "civilized" world. The horrors of Naziism did not cause people to abandon these discredited ideas. Instead they have learned to be more subtle and patient.

[maryz]

Self-ping for later reading.

[nkycincinnatikid]

bump to read on the beach

[rickdylan]

It is time to demand that evolutionists stop promoting a eugenics mindset. It is time to dismantle the population control system, first by ending federal funding, and then by redefining charity in terms of concrete items like food, clothing and shelter for purposes of charitable tax status, not to include birth control, abortion or other tools of eugenicists.

Granted evolution is garbage science and most abortions should not happen, but the consequences of not having birth control are obvious enough in places like Gaza and Kosovo.

[syriacus]

Thanks for posting this. I’ve printed up the article.

[TheSarce]

Eugenics ping...

[betty boop]

And so man may take up his birthright, which is to become the first organism exercising conscious control over its own evolutionary destiny....

Fat chance. Huxley is living in a World Of Make Believe.

Thanks for this informative post, ECO!

[hosepipe]

[.. Huxley wrote, "Evolution - or to spell it out, the idea of evolutionary process - is the most powerful and the most comprehensive idea that has ever arisen on earth. Above all, it unifies our knowledge and our thought . . . ]

TRUE... Man evolved from the animals (some say) evolved to the point they believe in GOD.. Man evolved to believe in God.. Because no animal ever did that..

1) MAN EVOLVED TO BELIEVE IN GOD!...
-or-
2) He was just MADE that way.. You know, to believe in God..

Amazingly... Both concepts arrive at the same answer..
Atheists then must be under evolved..

[Tribune7]

Bump for later

Above all, it unifies our knowledge and our thought . . .

Sounds like certain Freepers.

[gondramB]

This is from February 2001. Its not really news.
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/medical_ethics/me0018.html

[8mmMauser]

Pinged from Terri Dailies

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