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Health care insurance industry is real problem in this country
San Jose Mercury News ^ | 06/11/2007 | Rose Ann DeMoro

Posted on 06/19/2007 7:31:52 PM PDT by Nachum

Michael Moore's riveting new film "Sicko" is about to become the X factor in California's health care debate - casting an unforgiving spotlight on all those proposals from Gov Arnold Schwarzenegger and some legislators who think we can solve the health care crisis by handing over more money to the insurance companies.

Lack of insurance is not the problem - it's the insurance industry itself. A Zogby/UPI poll in February found that 42 percent of Americans said their insurer had refused to pay a medical bill. A USA Today/ABC poll in March found one in four Americans had trouble paying for medical care in 2006. Two thirds of those were insured.

"Sicko" puts human faces on those numbers. Like Donna and Larry Smith who had to sell their home and move into a cramped room in their daughter's house when their medical bills became unpayable. Or Laura, the young woman sent a huge bill for her post-accident ambulance trip because it wasn't "pre-approved."

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TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: care; health; healthcare; insurance; problem

1 posted on 06/19/2007 7:31:55 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Nachum
two threads and counting. Healthcare is obviously "on the table."

Who decides these things?

2 posted on 06/19/2007 7:35:18 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Thank you St. Jude.)
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To: Nachum

BS, the Federal Government is the problem!! (I have 25 years in the field, I know of what I speak.)


3 posted on 06/19/2007 7:39:34 PM PDT by Islander7 ("Show me an honest politician and I will show you a case of mistaken identity.")
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To: Nachum
Michael Moore's riveting new film "Sicko"...

Can't get past this.

4 posted on 06/19/2007 7:42:46 PM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: facedown

That’s pretty much where I stopped.


5 posted on 06/19/2007 7:43:27 PM PDT by JustaDumbBlonde (America: Land of the Free Because of the Brave)
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To: Nachum
If insurance went back to being coverage for a catastrophic loss, rather than third-party payment for routine expenses, it would go a long way toward fixing the system.

I would support a limit on total insured deductible as a percentage of annual income, say 3%. And, for those who have an income, no other means of payment than themselves. No Medicaid, no $200 deductibles. Lifesaving care would be required for all, but the provider would have an opportunity to sue for payment if the patient has the assets to pay.

Set up the 3% of annual income to be the minimum total covered deductible. You pay everything below that at 100% yourself, just as you pay for car repairs and food on your own. Bring back some competition and consumer discretion. More health care value gets more business. People are more careful with spending when it's clearly their own money.

6 posted on 06/19/2007 7:52:46 PM PDT by TChris (The Republican Party is merely the Democrat Party's "away" jersey - Vox Day)
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To: Nachum
"Sicko" puts human faces on those numbers. Like Donna and Larry Smith who had to sell their home and move into a cramped room in their daughter's house when their medical bills became unpayable. Or Laura, the young woman sent a huge bill for her post-accident ambulance trip because it wasn't "pre-approved."

The problem isn't the healthcare industry.

The problem is:
1. Government intervention in a BUSINESS.
2. Journalists who write "human interest" stories about the healthcare field as though they are actual news.
7 posted on 06/19/2007 7:52:58 PM PDT by arderkrag (Libertarian Nutcase (Political Compass Coordinates: 9.00, -2.62 - www.politicalcompass.org))
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To: Islander7
Any film that uses Cuba as a model healthcare system is the equivalent of throwing an iron furnace overboard and claiming that it's swimming.


Hospital Nacional - Havana
8 posted on 06/19/2007 7:54:27 PM PDT by CheyennePress
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To: Nachum

bump for later read.


9 posted on 06/19/2007 8:01:44 PM PDT by khnyny
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To: Islander7

Medicare and Medicaid reinbursement create their share of problems but state insurance regulations are killing competition, jacking up rates, and destroying group coverage.


10 posted on 06/19/2007 8:20:54 PM PDT by hometoroost (TSA = Thousands Standing Around)
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To: Nachum

It’s not the insurance industry, it’s the government.


11 posted on 06/19/2007 8:29:35 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Nachum

It’s the GOVERNMENT, stupid.... (not you Nachum)


12 posted on 06/19/2007 9:07:41 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Being Challenged Builds Character! Being Coddled Destroys Character!)
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To: little jeremiah; metmom; SunkenCiv; Nachum

Ping

This is topic that I have some familiarity with given that I work in an allied industry. Health insurance companies face their own challenges thanks to ever-rising medical costs, fraud, and bureaucracy.

That being said, the fact that millions of Americans are uninsured is an area that can’t be ignored anymore. It seems ridiculous to me that the uninsured don’t have too many alternative avenues available to them.

IMHO, 4 basic changes are needed to the current system to make it both cheaper and more responsive to the needs of their users:

1. Tort reform; must be accompanied by negating the influence of the wretched trial lawyer/medical malpractice lobby.
2. Drug industry reform (based on a true free market system and free import of FDA-approved drugs)
3. Private member networks that are similar to employer groups but are based on the free self-association of people with similar health profiles, needs, and affordability criteria.
4. Preventive disease management


13 posted on 06/19/2007 9:22:42 PM PDT by indcons (Linda and Hugo Chavez - same goals, different methods)
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To: Rodney King

To be fair, it is a combination of both - industry and government. In addition to govt. interference, a true free market system is largely missing from the medical and health sectors.


14 posted on 06/19/2007 9:24:28 PM PDT by indcons (Linda and Hugo Chavez - same goals, different methods)
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To: indcons

Star Parker had a great line tonight. We’ve had socialized medicine for the poor for 40 years. It’s called Medicaid, and you would never catch Michael Moore going to one of those hospitals, like the one where people walked around a dying drug addict and people called 911 from the hospital for help, recently.


15 posted on 06/19/2007 9:40:34 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: ClaireSolt

I am watching her interview on Hannity and #$%^%^ right now.

BTW, while I agree with your point about govt.-run healthcare, I think the industry can do its bit as well.


16 posted on 06/19/2007 9:43:51 PM PDT by indcons (Linda and Hugo Chavez - same goals, different methods)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; KlueLass; ...

As if Pizza the Hut should talk about health care.


17 posted on 06/19/2007 10:13:04 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated June 15, 2007.)
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To: TChris

3% would be much too low unless the efficiencies you describe are effective. My current plan’s deductible from a Fortune 100 company is approximately 8% (and I am pretty well paid), and I am thankful to have the insurance. It pays absolutely nothing until we reach that amount.

They do pay for preventative care at a generous level (I just had a complete annual physical).

The government’s allowance for High Deductible Health Savings Account is a step in the right direction. I like the idea of setting aside money which is free from Social Security, Federal, and State taxes (already a 30-40% benefit or so) for health care expenses. The money grows like in a 401(k) with the same investment vehicles, and you are never taxed if the money is used for health care expenses.

The high deductible forces us to shop as best we can for the lowest prices (we have already changed doctors to ones who have a lower negotiated rate). I have been pushing to have our plans mandate that the prices for all procedures be placed online (they already have drug prices online).

The big secret is that if you have a large non-emergency medical procedure is to get preapproval in writing from your health care insurance provider in advance. Also, you need to use your Human Resources department if your insurance provider is doing a bad job.


18 posted on 06/20/2007 2:46:00 AM PDT by exhaustguy
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To: exhaustguy

I have had Medicare for 10 years. I call it the Medicare money machine. You should see how unscrupulous docs manipulate it. Right now the Feds pay more for my Medicare coverage than my social security. That makes health care a higher priority than everything else combined. If I got the money instead of the benefit, I sure would not spend it that way. And I have to find a new doc, again, because they drop it as soon as they build a practice because reimbursement is so screwy.


19 posted on 06/20/2007 6:51:59 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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