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Americans call for gun freedom
BBC Radio 4's Crossing Continents ^ | 4 July 2007 | Kati Whitaker

Posted on 07/05/2007 2:06:23 PM PDT by neverdem

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To: GoldCountryRedneck
LEO bias against armed law-abiding citizens...

Exactly, I'll bet if you checked, you'd find that many of his officers aren't all that much older than the students, and they are unlikely to have any experience, such as military, that some of the students will have had, say in the National Guard, or Reserves, in Iraq or Afghanistan.

21 posted on 07/05/2007 4:11:08 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: neverdem
Baylor University has a dedicated force of 24 police officers who are trained and drilled to respond to a firearms attack such as that at Virginia Tech.

A whole 24 officers. Let's see 3 shifts, that's down to 8 actually on duty at any given time. Some will be on vacation, at least one will be at a desk. Say 7 officers on duty. To protect 14,000 students in dozens of buildings across several 10s of acres of land. The newest residence hall alone is 212,000-square-feet. Yeah, 7 cops are going to take *how long* to respond to a nutjob *somewhere* in all that?

At least let the faculty, staff and grad students be armed if they choose to be.

22 posted on 07/05/2007 4:20:02 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato
A whole 24 officers. Let's see 3 shifts, that's down to 8 actually on duty at any given time.

Less than that of course. There's weekends so say 3 shift/day x 7 days/week or 21 shifts per week, with 24 officers x 5 shifts/week/officer or 120 " officer shifts" to cover them. That gets it down to 40/7 or under 6 officers per shift, not counting vacations, the officer in the "command post/office", and the Chief. Say five per shift and you're probably still over estimating the number available in less than an hour.

A lot can happen in an hour.

23 posted on 07/05/2007 4:33:36 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; Shooter 2.5; wku man; SLB; ...
Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!
24 posted on 07/05/2007 4:48:33 PM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: GoldCountryRedneck
Our officers have a level of life experience which students can't possibly have at the age of 21 or 22.

Yeah, that line caught me, too; whatta crock.

If you factor in all the kids out there playing paintball, hunting with their Dads/Grandfathers/Uncles, logging time with FPS video/computer games (that teach THINKING and PLANNING -- hello? STRATEGY? -- not just visceral reaction), there's a REALLY good chance that the 21 or 22 year old student knows PLENTY, and it probably goes a bit farther than "two to the center of mass, count two; add one to the head if it's still moving".

Try this on for size:
http://www.americasarmy.com/

25 posted on 07/05/2007 4:56:12 PM PDT by HKMk23 (Nine out of ten orcs attacking Rohan were Saruman's Uruk-hai, not Sauron's! So, why invade Mordor?)
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To: neverdem; Joe Brower

Hupp Hupp Hooray !

She is a Texas legend with regards to her RKBA and CHL efforts.......Now if she can get Texas to go the way of Vermont and Alaska who recognize the 2nd as something we don;t have to license and set fees for .......


26 posted on 07/05/2007 5:04:51 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Squantos; archy
Now if she can get Texas to go the way of Vermont and Alaska who recognize the 2nd as something we don;t have to license and set fees for .......

IIRC, Wyoming almost did that by getting it passed by one house of its legislature.

27 posted on 07/05/2007 5:20:18 PM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: El Gato
I believe that at least one of the VT victims had Army in Iraq experience.
28 posted on 07/05/2007 5:25:40 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: neverdem
That was surprising restrained for the BBC, of all places.

I knew that they had to get their anti-gun message in somewhere, but they did hold off for more paragraphs than I would have guessed (unless I missed something before last 7 or 8 paragraphs.)

29 posted on 07/05/2007 5:33:04 PM PDT by snowsislander (NRA)
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To: neverdem

Hope they get it done...........lord knows it’s needed !

Stay safe !


30 posted on 07/05/2007 5:35:19 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Sybeck1

A 1911 or an XD?


31 posted on 07/05/2007 5:35:45 PM PDT by Armedanddangerous (Master of Sinanju (emeritus))
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To: neverdem

“My gun was 100 feet away in my car, completely useless to me,” she says.

“I was angry at my legislators because they had legislated me out of the right to protect myself and my family.”

That’s a good example of why stupid laws should be broken.


32 posted on 07/05/2007 5:38:51 PM PDT by Invayne (Islam is a religion of peace---and they'll kill you to prove it.)
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To: sig226
And then there's this:
>>Baylor University has a dedicated force of 24 police officers who are trained and drilled to respond to a firearms attack such as that at Virginia Tech.

Not exactly a ringing endorsement, is it?

... and weren't the police at Virginia Tech trained and drilled?

There might be some faults in the way the VT police responded, but by and large the problem is that they can't be everywhere all the time. I don't know off the top of my head how big the Baylor campus is, but I bet it's big enough that there can't be a cop within close range of everywhere, even in the impossible case that all 24 officers are on duty 24/7.

33 posted on 07/05/2007 5:40:45 PM PDT by ReignOfError (`)
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To: neverdem
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34 posted on 07/05/2007 5:45:16 PM PDT by Southern Partisan ("Do your duty in all things. You cannot do more. You should never wish to do less." ----R. E. Lee)
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To: FortWorthPatriot

I’ve been eyeing the XD .45 myself. The specs are great, and I’ve held one — I have pretty small hands, and I’m amazed that 13 rounds of .45 ACP fit in that compact package.

Before I pull the trigger (ahem) on the purchase, I’d like to find a range that has one for rent, so I can put a few mags through one before I buy. I’m also tempted by the CZ, because it allows swapping out the works so I can plink away with .22 before practicing with the more expensive ammo.


35 posted on 07/05/2007 5:47:39 PM PDT by ReignOfError (`)
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To: Armedanddangerous

XD


36 posted on 07/05/2007 6:04:22 PM PDT by Sybeck1 (Amnesty GOP members are betting on a Clinton nomination, to get their support back!)
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To: El Gato
A lot can happen in an hour.

"When seconds count,
The police are only minutes away".

37 posted on 07/05/2007 6:09:09 PM PDT by budwiesest ("It's upside down, I tell ya.")
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To: HKMk23

Hey don’t forget SASS single action cowboy shooters, the three guns of the old west, lever action rifle, shotgun and pistol. I became more proficient with a firearm with 15 years in SASS that I ever was with 20 plus years as a deputy sheriff in law enforcement. There’s also three gun modern firearm competition that’s out there. Someone else talked about 21 year olds handling firearms, about 60 years ago in our history maybe more kids took guns to school and stored them with their lunch bags and their coats for protection to and from school or to shoot game. I’ve noticed that as far as our freedoms this country seems to be devolving.


38 posted on 07/05/2007 6:10:23 PM PDT by Plains Drifter (If guns kill people, wouldn't there be a lot of dead people at gun shows?)
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To: neverdem

Gun freedom is to be able to shoot a terriost before they shoot you.


39 posted on 07/05/2007 6:13:50 PM PDT by G-Man 1
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To: ReignOfError

I’ve shot a friend’s XD45 and liked it a lot, I’ve got an XD9 which is also fine. They’re both great value IMHO.


40 posted on 07/05/2007 6:49:51 PM PDT by 1066AD
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