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Americans call for gun freedom
BBC Radio 4's Crossing Continents ^ | 4 July 2007 | Kati Whitaker

Posted on 07/05/2007 2:06:23 PM PDT by neverdem

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To: ReignOfError

If you’re ever in Palm Beach County, FReepmail me.


41 posted on 07/05/2007 7:07:21 PM PDT by sig226 (Every time I hit spell check, the fishies got all messed up. 'Bye fishies . . .)
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To: neverdem

Carry openly, carry often, ignore these laws, Civil Disobediance IS an American Tradition

Screw these politicians.


42 posted on 07/05/2007 7:11:52 PM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Famously frisky)
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To: neverdem

“Our officers have a level of life experience which students can’t possibly have at the age of 21 or 22.”

Some of those students he’s talking about are probably Iraq or Afghanistan vets. There could also be older students there who are Gulf War vets etc.. so is this police chief including those people in his list of people without life experiences?

I’ve mentioned this before, but I was talking with a police officer one time and mentioned about my 1911 A1. I had to explain to him what that was. People should not assume that police officers are experts in weapons. To be sure, there are some. But there are plenty of officers who don’t know a whole heck of a lot about firearms.

I’m pretty sure that I have a lot more weapons training and experience than the vast majority of police officers. I don’t need to hear their preaching on the subject.

In fact, in England going back 100 years, police men did not have weapons, but a lot of civilians did. There were a number of recorded cases where officers were chasing armed suspects and borrowed a handgun from a passer by. I think that was a better way for law enforcement to operate.


43 posted on 07/05/2007 7:38:54 PM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

If they’re doing that, Tom, why not eliminate the Senate?


44 posted on 07/05/2007 7:54:51 PM PDT by wastedyears (Cloture? Nuts.)
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To: FortWorthPatriot

That looks like a reasonable sized friend.


45 posted on 07/05/2007 7:56:05 PM PDT by wastedyears (Cloture? Nuts.)
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To: Plains Drifter

My dad’s old-school. He’s believed since his first shot that “automatics jam,” so he’s all-revolver. Except the P-38 my great-uncle brought back from Europe. He’s kind of retired, but he still qualifies with a service .38 every year.

Dad was a counselor and administrator in corrections — the rough equivalent of a deputy warden when he retired. Carrying wasn’t a requirement of his job, but he did, and takes the same annual range test as the cops. As a retired LEO, he is eligible for a permit to carry most places in all 50 states.

Just recently, he’s gotten vaguely interested in Western shooting competition. So when a single-action Ruger Vaquero popped yo at a reasonable price, he was all over it. I got my first chance to shoot it a few weekends ago. It may be based on century-old technology, but it’s solid and heavy and boy howdy, it shoots straight.


46 posted on 07/05/2007 8:45:43 PM PDT by ReignOfError (`)
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To: Leatherneck_MT
Carry openly, carry often, ignore these laws, Civil Disobediance IS an American Tradition

So, do you practice what you're preaching? Do you carry in the open all the time? Or are you encouraging others to fly the flag, so you can offer armchair support?

I prefer concealed carry, because it doesn't bother people who fear guns. It doesn't matter whether that fear is rational or not. I believe I have a first-amendment right to use profanity, but I choose not to do so in public places or in mixed company. Courtesy is not surender. Standing up for your rights does not require that you be in-your-face obnoxious about it.

Don't like a law? Step one is to speak against it. Step two is to campaign against it in the legislature. Step three is to challenge it in court. Only when those have failed is step 4, civil disobedience, justified. And when you make that leap, know that, if you're lucky, you'll likely be harassed and hassled behind it. If you're not lucky, you'll be arrested, tried and imprisoned.

47 posted on 07/05/2007 9:04:03 PM PDT by ReignOfError (`)
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To: neverdem
I just hate those those elitist cops in Virginia. Let's see: 18 to 21 year olds can be trusted to carry arms in the military but they're too volatile and lacking in life experience to carry on campus? We can trust our children to defend our country but we can't trust them to protect themselves in a situation of personal danger? I think that attitude is not only condescending, its morally wrong.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

48 posted on 07/05/2007 9:24:24 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: sig226
The cops can't be there if a bad guy decides to open fire. They can only be there AFTER the crime is over. No American wants to be arbitrarily stripped of their right of self defense by politicians and bureaucrats - and in any event, no law can foresee all the situations that might happen.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

49 posted on 07/05/2007 9:27:34 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
I was talking with a police officer one time and mentioned about my 1911 A1. I had to explain to him what that was.

As a counterpoint, one of my sister's girlfriends is a cop in a small Arizona town where they not only know what the 1911 A1 is, they carry them cocked-and-locked as their duty pistols.

She weighs about 105 lbs, but I once was with her in a bar off-duty and saw her knock down a man twice her size with one blow. He was a big belligerent drunk, but when he pinched her ass, she turned around quicker than a cobra strikes (or so it seemed) and had him whimpering on the ground in no time.

The best part is while he was being arrested for assault, he started blubbering to the uniformed cops about how this crazy bitch attacked him for no reason. Boy, did those cops ever have a horse laugh at his expense, as they explained that the "crazy bitch" was a cop too, and would be riding down to the station in the cruiser to help book him.

I'm not sure I've ever seen a man so humiliated in front of so many people. I still laugh like a fool when I think about the way the crowd jeered and insulted him.

50 posted on 07/05/2007 10:19:38 PM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: GoldCountryRedneck
"LEO bias against armed law-abiding citizens..."

Yes, and how very strange that is....considering it's the Citizens who have approved LEO's for carrying privilege. It isn't their right, as it is we who determine what their working tools are or are not.

And for them to turn around and pretend it is they who have approved us, the Citizens, for carry is pompous arrogance of the highest order.

I say dis-arm and fire any LEO who has succumbed to the disease of the elite.

51 posted on 07/06/2007 12:32:15 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: goldstategop

That’s pretty much my point.


52 posted on 07/06/2007 4:08:03 AM PDT by sig226 (Every time I hit spell check, the fishies got all messed up. 'Bye fishies . . .)
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To: neverdem

The police can NEVER protect you. Even if you suspect someone wants to kill you and you ask for protection, all you will get is that “No crime has been committed yet. We can do nothing.” All the law enforcement community can actually do is DOCUMENT THE COMMISSION OF A CRIME AND COLLECT EVIDENCE AFTER THE FACT. It is to late for the victim. It is the responsibility of the individual to protect himself and his loved ones. Laws that restrict the ability to keep and bear arms do nothing but imperil you and all you love.
Liberals place more importance on feelng safe than actually being safe.


53 posted on 07/06/2007 4:24:40 AM PDT by BuffaloJack
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To: neverdem

I was expecting a dateline of 1789 for this article followed by a body that read something along the lines of “If you don’t like it, don’t come here.”


54 posted on 07/06/2007 4:42:09 AM PDT by Brouhaha
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To: neverdem
"We cannot rely on students who have not been drilled in these situations to respond properly. Would they freeze up? Would they have a sense of terror in their hearts so they respond inappropriately?" he says. "Our officers have a level of life experience which students can't possibly have at the age of 21 or 22."

Just like at VT. What a load of manure.

55 posted on 07/06/2007 4:47:20 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: neverdem
"Shall not be infringed".

This is as basic as it gets.

Every man, woman, and responsible child has an unalienable individual, civil, Constitutional, and human right to obtain, own, and carry, openly or concealed, any weapon -- rifle, shotgun, handgun, machinegun, anything -- any time, any place, without asking anyone's permission. - L. Neil Smith. The Atlanta Declaration

56 posted on 07/06/2007 6:16:42 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: neverdem
Its chief, James Doak, said that the potential for strife is considerable among its 14,000 18-to-22 years-olds - whether it is stress of exams, girlfriend problems or simply hot tempers.

Another nanny-state gasbag protecting his little empire.

57 posted on 07/06/2007 6:40:32 AM PDT by Hat-Trick (Do you trust a government that cannot trust you with guns?)
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To: GoldCountryRedneck

Power is intoxicating. The paramilitary mentality which is increasingly monopolizing law-enforcement agencies in the U.S. does not want to share power with the average citizen.

I have more confidence in an average law-abiding citizen having a gun for his/her defence than in some testosterone charged elitist modern cop with his PBA or FOP benefits, outrageous pay and arrogance.


58 posted on 07/06/2007 10:13:48 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: budwiesest
"When seconds count, the police are only minutes away".

Hey, that's tagline material, right there. Bears repeating. OFTEN.

59 posted on 07/06/2007 10:46:08 AM PDT by HKMk23 (Nine out of ten orcs attacking Rohan were Saruman's Uruk-hai, not Sauron's! So, why invade Mordor?)
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To: Joe Brower

An armed citizen is a safe citizen!


60 posted on 07/06/2007 2:34:42 PM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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