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Excerpted because the graphs and and tables couldn't print from the source code.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. at LIVE EARTH

Kennedy calls "climate change" deniers to be "traitors" guilty of "treason," and that he'll "see all of you on the barricades." The video has been yanked from other websites. If you haven't heard it, click the link before it is yanked there too. It's still working and only 6 minutes long.

1 posted on 07/11/2007 12:33:33 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: sourcery; DaveLoneRanger; xcamel; cogitator

I can’t help the lettering used in the graphics at the source, but it has references.


2 posted on 07/11/2007 12:38:37 AM PDT by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: neverdem

This is why we need the Fairness Doctrine. If we had the Fairness Doctrine we could eliminate all discussion of solar radiation as a cause of warmth. We need the government to mandate what we can and cannot talk about on this, and all other, subjects.


4 posted on 07/11/2007 1:22:42 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: neverdem
Without the impact of solar radiation, the temperature on the earth would be about the same as the temperature of space, which is about -454 C.

Bzzt. Wrong answer. Temperature is only defined above -273.15 C (0 K). Even if the author meant degrees F, he failed to take into account the decay of radioactive material in the Earth that drives the massive planetary convection cycle that causes the plates to move. The surface temperature would certainly be much lower, but heat would still be transferred to the surface from deeper layers.

5 posted on 07/11/2007 1:24:22 AM PDT by burzum (None shall see me, though my battlecry may give me away -Minsc)
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To: neverdem

I just listened to the RFKjr speech. The writer of this article is obviously one of the “indentured servants of the oil industry”, suggesting (can you imagine) that solar radiation is related in any way to warmth.


6 posted on 07/11/2007 1:25:00 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: neverdem

Y’all are putting a lot of your eggs into an empirical basket.

If I thought credible experts disagreed about a complex empirical question, I wouldn’t think it appropriate to have a confident view on the matter.

But hey, YMMV :-))


8 posted on 07/11/2007 1:46:34 AM PDT by ConsistentLibertarian
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To: neverdem

An excellent article. Thanks for posting. I await with great anticipation the demise of the anthropogenic global warming fraud. Nothing would please me more than to see all of the doomsters have their “theory” relegated to the dust bin of history.


9 posted on 07/11/2007 2:42:44 AM PDT by jsh3180
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To: neverdem
Each 100,000-year peak in (received) radiation appears to last about 15,000 to 20,000 years, and each has been coincident with massive surges of carbon dioxide and methane (the green house gasses), into the atmosphere, causing de-glaciation of the Polar and Greenland ice caps

The point is that the increased heat causes outgassing of CO2 from the ocean - but that the heat comes first. Increased atmospheric CO2 is a BYPRODUCT of high insolation/incident solar radiation. The oceans are so vast that there is an (average) 800 yr lag between increased temperature and increased CO2 in the athmosphere. This has been shown from the Vostok Ice cores (see below)

Here with the graphs superimposed:


10 posted on 07/11/2007 3:26:52 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: neverdem
Kennedy calls "climate change" deniers to be "traitors" guilty of "treason,"

Traitors to what ? Is there a Planetary Constitution ? Does that constitution state that human freedoms must be limited to prevent climate change ?

11 posted on 07/11/2007 3:27:45 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: neverdem

As much as I long to have the current crop of alamists (global warming this time) be humbled and embarrassed, it appears that the earlier global cooling alarmists just might have the last laugh. Hark! The ice age cometh!


13 posted on 07/11/2007 3:52:41 AM PDT by GBA (God Bless America!)
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To: neverdem

This is an excellent article covering a lot of information about the historical climate and greenhouse gases that the climate scientists refuse to talk about.

Dr. Merrifield should be encouraged to publish more articles.


14 posted on 07/11/2007 5:44:12 AM PDT by JustDoItAlways
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To: neverdem
Without the impact of solar radiation, the temperature on the earth would be about the same as the temperature of space, which is about -454 C

The American Thinker is not thinking too well Absolute Zero is about -273 C (-454 F).

16 posted on 07/11/2007 6:25:37 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Democrat Happens!)
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To: neverdem; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...

Thanks ND. But lookie, someone’s repeating the mantra:

“This should settle the debate,” said Mike Lockwood, from the UK’s Rutherford-Appleton Laboratory, who carried out the new analysis together with Claus Froehlich from the World Radiation Center in Switzerland.

‘No Sun link’ to climate change
by Richard Black
BBC Environment Correspondent
Tuesday, 10 July 2007
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6290228.stm


22 posted on 07/11/2007 12:02:24 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, July 10, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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23 posted on 07/11/2007 12:03:21 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, July 10, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: neverdem
Curiously, NASA and the Russian Observatory both report that total solar radiation now has peaked, and all these cycles may be simultaneously in decline

That could pretty much be inferred from the ice core data, as well as other indirect measurements of the historical temperature record.

We are due for the Big Cool Down. The actual temperatures are going to lag the solar input somewhat, because the earth has considerable thermal inertia.

Note on graph presentation: The heavier temperature lines 160,000 BP to present reflect more data points for this time period, not necessarily greater temperature variability.


28 posted on 07/11/2007 8:35:03 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: TomB
Visiting Committee for Physical Sciences at the University of Chicago.

University of Chicago PING! I ought to print this thing out and get the guy to autograph it for me.
30 posted on 07/11/2007 9:25:39 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: neverdem

Good Science bump.


32 posted on 07/12/2007 4:51:59 AM PDT by roaddog727 (BS does not get bridges built)
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