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Russian military men predicting war against USA
charter97 ^ | 18/07/2007

Posted on 07/18/2007 3:38:45 PM PDT by lizol

Russian military men predicting war against USA

17:00, 18/07/2007

The blood-curbing declarations have been made: Moscow military experts are suggesting terrible scenario according to which the USA is going to attack Russia for providing itself with access to the Siberian natural resources .The cold war participants’ assumption is very clear, Manfred Quirring from the “Die Welt” German edition writes.

“The war between Russia and the USA is probable in the near 10-15 years”, Major- General Aleksandr Vladimirov does not exclude. And its aim, according to him, “is obvious even now. It is the removal of the powerful geopolitical rival capable of deleting the USA from the earth’s surface within 30 minute”.

Furthermore, according to the military man, the USA wishes to provide itself with access to the natural resources of Siberia and the Far East and threaten the rest of the world with “armed victory and technological power of its weapons”.

Vladimirov is the vice-president of the Russia’s board of military experts. He met with other Russian distinguished military experts and specialists on the global security for discussing when and why the USA is to unleash war against Russia and whether it is going to enlist it or not.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: coldwar2; communism; paranoia; reddawn; russia; sovietunion
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1 posted on 07/18/2007 3:38:46 PM PDT by lizol
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To: lizol

Ummm... I think these guys are worried about the wrong resource-hungry nation. ;)


2 posted on 07/18/2007 3:41:49 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: lizol

I suspect many ‘military men’ in Russia are still having the cold-war mentality. After all, that’s how they were educated. Fast changes in the 1990s were not enough to change their attitudes toward the US.


3 posted on 07/18/2007 3:42:35 PM PDT by paudio
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To: lizol; Larry Lucido

How does one say ‘tinfoilski’?

“You not say Ukraine is weak!”


4 posted on 07/18/2007 3:43:08 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Tim 1:4; Gal 1:6-10; 1Cor 2:2; Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25; Luke 20:34-35; 2Thess 2:11; Jude 1:3)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

If I were Russia, I would be more worried about their friends to the south.


5 posted on 07/18/2007 3:44:38 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: lizol
The Russian’s have been going nuts lately.Instead of worrying about the United States taking over their Siberian Resources they should be worrying about their neighbors the Chicoms who are starved for energy and natural resources.
6 posted on 07/18/2007 3:44:49 PM PDT by puppypusher (The world is going to the dogs.)
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To: lizol

Maybe it’s budget time in Russia.


7 posted on 07/18/2007 3:48:24 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: lizol

I wonder if he’s just pissed that the Poles and Czechs agreed to host out missile defense system?


8 posted on 07/18/2007 3:48:38 PM PDT by Old Guard Conservative
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To: lizol

Lets see... Build nuclear plants or try to invade russia.....


9 posted on 07/18/2007 3:48:43 PM PDT by xmission (Democrats are killing our Soldiers by rewarding the enemy for brutality)
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To: F15Eagle
How does one say ‘tinfoilski’? Exactly!
10 posted on 07/18/2007 3:48:48 PM PDT by americanophile
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To: lizol

Delete whom from the earth’s surface in a half hour, comrade?


11 posted on 07/18/2007 3:49:05 PM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: lizol

The Paper Tiger will, maybe, someday wake up. Until then, America is in deep trouble.


12 posted on 07/18/2007 3:49:42 PM PDT by gathersnomoss (If General Patton was alive, he would slap many faces!!)
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To: lizol
Didn’t the Russians just claim something was theirs like the North Pole last week.

If they try to enforce a deal like that with their military, you better believe they have a battle on their hands.

13 posted on 07/18/2007 3:51:14 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: lizol

I really hate it when I get Blood-curbing declarations.


14 posted on 07/18/2007 3:51:49 PM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to protect it.)
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To: lizol

15 posted on 07/18/2007 3:52:04 PM PDT by Dysart
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To: lizol
What did Buck Turgidson say, honey don’t forget to say your prayers.
16 posted on 07/18/2007 3:52:52 PM PDT by boomop1 (there you go again)
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To: lizol

These idiots better be looking out for the very real Red Chinese threat to Siberia rather than an imaginary threat from the U.S.


17 posted on 07/18/2007 3:53:53 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: Mr. Jeeves

Agreed, but dismissing this out of hand is not in anyone’s best interest - developments in Russia right now are a bit unsettling -


18 posted on 07/18/2007 3:54:13 PM PDT by expatguy (Support - "An American Expat in Southeast Asia")
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To: lizol

Rantings of vodka induced dementia...with more than a few nukes laying around.


19 posted on 07/18/2007 3:54:29 PM PDT by crazyhorse691 (The faithful will keep their heads down, their powder dry and hammer at the enemies flanks.)
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To: lizol

First say the other guy is going to attack and then do everything that might provoke it.


20 posted on 07/18/2007 3:56:18 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Your home for pithy disquistion)
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To: lizol
Major- General Aleksandr Vladimirov put down the vodka and back away from table. You have been over served.
21 posted on 07/18/2007 3:56:38 PM PDT by A Texan (Oderint dum metuant)
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To: A Texan

Bozhe moi! Russians are almost as bad as Arabs in blaming all their difficulties on foreign conspirators.


22 posted on 07/18/2007 4:00:12 PM PDT by elcid1970
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Gimme a C - "C"
Gimme an H - "H"
Gimme an I - "I"
Gimme an N - "N"
Gimme an A - "A"

What does that spell?

China.

Louder

CHINA.

What are they?

A resource-hungry nation, with a huge population and rapidly growing demand for energy on the border to Siberia and investing in military power.

You know, I just don't understand the blindness of people. I just don't get it.

23 posted on 07/18/2007 4:00:50 PM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (Just laugh at them!)
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To: lizol
These are typical staff studies. All nations do them. Concoct a scenario...plan for it...budget for it and file it.
24 posted on 07/18/2007 4:02:17 PM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: lizol

Nobody will be able to make Siberian resources work economically. Not even the USSR with slave labor could do that. Plenty of oil/gas/timber, but ‘economically’ is the trick.


25 posted on 07/18/2007 4:04:34 PM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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To: lizol

They are just projecting onto the USA, actions that they would take, if they had the power the US does. This says more about the ethics of the Russian military, than it does about the future, or future conflicts.


26 posted on 07/18/2007 4:06:28 PM PDT by Eagle74 (From time to time the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots)
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To: lizol
Rabid Russian vermin get upset when someone threatens their ability to wipe America off the face of the map in thirty minutes.

We are not afraid of you, Russian lunatics! The more deranged and mindless you act, the more determined we are to deal with you once and for all!

27 posted on 07/18/2007 4:07:53 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: americanophile

lol


28 posted on 07/18/2007 4:08:24 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Tim 1:4; Gal 1:6-10; 1Cor 2:2; Matthew 22:30; Mark 12:25; Luke 20:34-35; 2Thess 2:11; Jude 1:3)
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To: lizol

“charter97”??? Ummmm... there has been talk from Russia - but can we get a more reliable source?


29 posted on 07/18/2007 4:08:37 PM PDT by TheBattman (I've got TWO QUESTIONS for you....)
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To: puppypusher
If they want to sell us all of Siberia for a million bucks or so we probably would take it.

Otherwise they have nothing to worry about--Americans are getting older and moving South these days. :-)
30 posted on 07/18/2007 4:08:52 PM PDT by cgbg (Hillary's mob has plans for our liberties--hanging fruit.)
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To: Dysart

God I miss those guys! We hates them, they still hate us. They talked trash, we built up our military. Those were the good old days. Now we face even bigger threats and we have a military less than half the size of old.


31 posted on 07/18/2007 4:13:52 PM PDT by miliantnutcase
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To: lizol

What a nut job.


32 posted on 07/18/2007 4:15:43 PM PDT by DanielLongo (Don't tread on me)
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To: lizol

That doesn’t even begin to make sense.


33 posted on 07/18/2007 4:16:39 PM PDT by Constantine XIII
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To: cripplecreek

Ivan better get his hands on Tom Clancy’s “The Bear and the Dragon”, because you’re right China would be the one I would worry about.


34 posted on 07/18/2007 4:18:53 PM PDT by Recon Dad (Marine Spec Ops Dad)
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To: lizol

I hate when “blood-curbing” comes around.


35 posted on 07/18/2007 4:24:08 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (No buy China!!)
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To: RKV

Exactly.

In another 10-15 years, I’d say russia’s missiles will be mostly useless against the US. With china’s recent stunt in earth orbit, I’d say in 20 years, USA will own space as well. As long as we continue to stay on top of the WOT, our military will evolve into something truely incredible.

They are scared. They know they will soon be insignificant relative to america. This tough talk is how they protect their image.

I’m sure the rest of the world sees this as well. The next decade or two will be interesting for americans. Expect increasing anti-americanism to boil over and left wing extremist groups in america to go completely insane.


36 posted on 07/18/2007 4:25:26 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Those that can do, do. Those that can't do, teach. Those that can't do either, run for office)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Perhaps they're using "USA" as a code word for China. Now, that would make his declarations sound sensible.
37 posted on 07/18/2007 4:26:19 PM PDT by Max in Utah (O Great and Benevolent Rulers of America: WHERE'S OUR FENCE?!)
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To: mamelukesabre
Expect ... left wing extremist groups in america to go completely insane.

Heck, they're that way now! They'll start swinging from trees next, and tossing stool samples.

38 posted on 07/18/2007 4:29:51 PM PDT by Max in Utah (O Great and Benevolent Rulers of America: WHERE'S OUR FENCE?!)
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To: A CA Guy
Didn’t the Russians just claim something was theirs like the North Pole last week.

They're also laying claims to almost all of the seabed of the Arctic and they royally p'd off the Canadians last week by saying that since Canada has 'abandoned' much of it's northern reaches that Russia is now going to lay claim to them.

39 posted on 07/18/2007 4:30:55 PM PDT by PeterFinn (Build the border fence and build it NOW!!!!!!)
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To: Max in Utah

...and tossing stool samples.
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Do you think they will put them in little plastic baggies first?


40 posted on 07/18/2007 4:32:26 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Those that can do, do. Those that can't do, teach. Those that can't do either, run for office)
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To: Max in Utah

Everybody keeps saying China, China, China, like we are not ruthless war mongers waiting to devestate the world with our nuclear weapons.

Wait, am I at Free Republic? I thought I was at DU.

Sorry.

I just want to be loved.


41 posted on 07/18/2007 4:42:54 PM PDT by Greg F (<><)
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To: Max in Utah
They'll start swinging from trees next, and tossing stool samples.

Please, don't give them ideas.

42 posted on 07/18/2007 4:54:57 PM PDT by Ancesthntr
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To: mamelukesabre

The Chinese screwed up and telegraphed their intentions way too soon. Our anti missile technology won’t take much to adapt to become anti-satellite either. What we are left with is a hole in our strategy that we have to cover, however, even with star wars and asat capabilities. We need fast and cheap launch to LEO of light to medium payloads. Time for the rocketmen to get busy. Burt Rutan has the start of an idea (along with several others btw). Heavy payloads (and geosynchronous orbits) aren’t as important and manned missions are even less important at this point.


43 posted on 07/18/2007 5:02:30 PM PDT by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: lizol

“Russian military men predicting war against USA”

Three privates and a corporal talking big after polihing of a jug of homemade vodka. Big deal.

You should have heard the stuff I used to talk about after a few drinks at the E club.


44 posted on 07/18/2007 5:10:46 PM PDT by Twisted Roots
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To: RKV
Negative on that.

We need a method of knocking out satellites without blowing them up with a missile. Lasers would be better. Maybe a seek and destroy orbiting vehicle outfitted with a laser. WE cant have earth orbit space being scattered with debris. Too much debris would eventually knock out all satellites in orbit, including our own.

45 posted on 07/18/2007 5:14:53 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Those that can do, do. Those that can't do, teach. Those that can't do either, run for office)
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To: lizol

Мы ОБРЕЧЕНЫ!


46 posted on 07/18/2007 5:19:11 PM PDT by uglybiker (relaxing in a luxuriant cloud of quality, aromatic, pre-owned tobacco essence)
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To: puppypusher

Yep. Idiots, so they take out the USA with nukes and smile in their underground cities and fly over our skies because they have oil for air power and we won’t. Then they can have a nice Chinese invasion after their nuclear arsenal has been spent.

Such scenerios also come out in the book of Revelations and other modern day prophets. Russia is the beast. She goes off into destruction. Once they have done such a heinous crime, those of us left will be build (as we did in every major US war) advanced weapons that will incinerate every last living being left in Russia. Then we will install America II indefinately on their piece of land.

Many people laughed at me in 2001 when I told them our attack on the Trade Towers was coordinated effort of the Chinese with Russian blessing. This is now becoming clear as facts. I was also laughed at as a nut-ball with people telling how much their military was in shambles, how the West had to try and help Russia with the Kursk submarine etc.

Here’s how it goes down for those listening: Iran begins it’s regional war with Israel and uses WMD, chemical missles from Syria, nuclear proxy from Iran. Global depression occurs as the price per barrel tops $150, $7.00 gallon of gas. Israel uses the Sampson Option and is considered the victor although I don’t like to think of it this way, millions of innocents dead.

Their is a peace deal that is arranged by the then current PM, Benjamin Netanyahu. This deal lasts 3 years. During the 3 years...

A nuclear incident, what I saw as either a nuetron bomb or a dirty bomb in one of our port cities causes a heavy loss of life and further worsens our depression in the USA and globally. China shuts off it’s food aid to North Korea. North attacks the South, using nuclear weapons. We become involved but North Korea overruns the South. Death toll in the millions. Chinese casualties from this conflict give them the excuse to attack our Pacific fleet and at this time, they invade Taiwan and threaten the Japanese with annihalation. Japan goes nuclear. Russia begins skirmishes on the European front and shuts off energy to Europe. This war (mostly in the sea of Japan/Korea) accelerates with Russia, China and few other nations, I believe it’s 9 total, nuke the USA in an all out nuclear attack. We retaliate. Russia overruns Europe, still able to wage war with their own energy supply. The USA and Europe are temporarily defenseless.

The Chinese turn on Russia and invade. We rebuild faster then what these nations expect. We pulverize Russia and China with some kind of advanced weapon I do not fully understand. 1,000 years of peace after this conflict. According to Revelations 1/3 of mankind dead and 200 million combatants. I live in faith, not in fear.


47 posted on 07/18/2007 5:31:11 PM PDT by quant5
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To: miliantnutcase

Yes and that is why Russia wisely chose to never try to attack even at the height of their conventional superiority on the European front. What did Reagan do? Build a crapload of nukes, MX nukes, nuke submarines, nuke strategic bombers. What does Bush do? Ask Congress and this was two weeks ago for nukes and for Congress to tell him NO! What will Russia think this time when in 3-4 more years their conventional power has been fully restored and they themselves are now building more nukes? Methinks they will try it this time.


48 posted on 07/18/2007 5:37:47 PM PDT by quant5
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To: PeterFinn

Great. Now Canada can spend some real money on defense instead of relying on the USA. From what I hear they are great fighters, just not much of them!


49 posted on 07/18/2007 5:39:34 PM PDT by quant5
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To: mamelukesabre

Yes that is true. Other energy weapons exist such as plasma to also do the same job. Lot’s of free solar energy for as much power as you need.


50 posted on 07/18/2007 5:41:48 PM PDT by quant5
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