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Russia stakes its claim on North Pole in underwater search for oil(gazprom's new frontier?)
Times Online ^ | 07/28/07 | Tony Halpin

Posted on 07/28/2007 8:22:50 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

July 28, 2007

Russia stakes its claim on North Pole in underwater search for oil

Tony Halpin in Moscow

Russia is making an audacious grab for the vast energy riches of the Arctic with an underwater mission to plant its flag beneath the North Pole.

A team of explorers plans to descend 4,300 metres (1,400ft) to the seabed in a miniature submarine tomorrow to stake Russia’s claim to an area of ocean the size of Western Europe. The polar expedition aims to prove that the Lomonosov Ridge, an underwater shelf that runs through the Arctic, is an extension of Russian territory.

The Kremlin has poured £40 million into the voyage, which is receiving blanket coverage on state television, to try to secure billions of tonnes of untapped oil and gas reserves under the ocean. Two members of the Duma, the Russian parliament, will plant the one-metre flag, made of titanium, during what will be the first manned journey to the seabed of the North Pole.

“This will be a truly historic dive,” Anatoli Sagalevich, chief of the Oceanology Institute at the Russian Academy of Sciences, told Itar-Tass. “The human eye has never seen the North Pole from a depth of 4,300 metres.”

Before the expedition left the northern port of Murmansk, Artur Chilingarov, 68, the expedition leader, said: “The Arctic is ours and we should demonstrate our presence.”

Mr Chilingarov is a deputy speaker in the Duma and president of the Association of Polar Explorers of the Russian Federation. His fellow submariner, Vladimir Gruzdev, said that the expedition would “remind the whole world that Russia is a great polar and scientific power”.

More than 100 scientists are on board the Akademik Fyodorov, Russia’s flagship research vessel, for what is the largest expedition yet organised to the Pole. A nuclear-powered ice-breaker, the Rossiya, is accompanying the ship.

Two deep-water submersibles will make three dives to the sea bed to try to confirm research by a Russian expedition in May suggesting that the Lomonosov Ridge is an extension of the Siberian continental shelf.

No country has jurisdiction over the Arctic, which is governed by the International Seabed Authority, but Russia has long sought to extend its territorial boundary. It lodged a demand for 1.2 million sq km (463,000 sq miles) of ocean in 2001 with the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, which asked for more scientific data to support Russia’s case.

The expeditions are collecting data to back a fresh submission in 2009, the centenary of the first journey to the North Pole. At stake are vast reserves of oil and gas that are considered increasingly viable economically as climate change makes the Arctic less hostile to exploitation. Russian geologists argue that the area contains 10 billion tonnes of oil and gas, though some estimates put the total closer to 100 billion tonnes.

Russia’s claim to the North Pole is opposed by the four other Arctic countries — Canada, the United States, Norway and Denmark, through its sovereignty over Greenland. Under international law, each nation is entitled to control an economic zone within 200 miles of its continental shelf, but the limits of the shelf are disputed.

Denmark and Canada argue that the Lomonosov Ridge is connected to their territories and dispatched a joint expedition last year to bolster their claims. Stephen Harper, the Canadian Prime Minister, ordered a new fleet of patrol vessels last month, saying that they were needed to defend “our sovereignty over the Arctic”.

Russia’s determination to claim the territory poses particular problems for the US, which has refused to ratify the Law of the Sea Treaty governing disputes over exploitation rights, restricting its influence on the Arctic’s future.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: artic; energy; environment; geopolitics; lost; oil; russia; tlr

1 posted on 07/28/2007 8:22:54 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Putin must feel that he is on a roll.:-)
2 posted on 07/28/2007 8:23:27 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Could Santa Claus be forced to work for Putin?
3 posted on 07/28/2007 8:24:47 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Russia is making an audacious grab for the vast energy riches of the Arctic

This is not news. It is another news report. Several threads have scrolled by already and this news item should be appended to the original thread.

4 posted on 07/28/2007 8:26:16 AM PDT by RightWhale (It's Brecht's donkey, not mine)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I hope they are successful in making this claim. They won’t listen to these environmental faggots (In the John Edwards sense) like US policy makers do. The result will be an increase in oil supply.


5 posted on 07/28/2007 8:29:12 AM PDT by frithguild (The Freepers moved as a group, like a school of sharks sweeping toward an unaware and unarmed victim)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

This is old news but I’m going to repeat what I said on the previous threads:

I’d rather the Russians get their hands on those resources than our own whacko environmentalists or the whackos in the UN. At least the Russians will sell them on the open market. At the highest price they can get, sure. But at least those resources will be available to us.

If the UN or the US took possession of them, we’d find a new endangered species or unhappy caribou or drowning polar bear cub once every 30 seconds or so.


6 posted on 07/28/2007 8:30:33 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: TigerLikesRooster

The US obviously isn’t going after any oil anywhere so somebody else might as well have it. Tough noogies for us...


7 posted on 07/28/2007 8:50:47 AM PDT by toomuchcoffee
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To: samtheman
I’d rather the Russians get their hands on those resources than our own whacko environmentalists or the whackos in the UN.

Point taken and agreed to.

However, I think Russia's claim to exclusive exploitation rights in international waters is a display of arrogance and a bad precedent if allowed to stand. The Russians could just exploit without an exclusive claim I would think...

8 posted on 07/28/2007 8:55:17 AM PDT by SteamShovel (Global Warming, the New Patriotism)
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To: toomuchcoffee

The US needs to start training more artic warriors now. This will eventually lead to conflict with the US and Russia.


9 posted on 07/28/2007 8:55:29 AM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: toomuchcoffee
Tough noogies for us...

Are you a DNC worker promoting their agenda? ; )

10 posted on 07/28/2007 8:55:46 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: SteamShovel

You’re right technically, and legally, but I’m not so sure it’s a bad precedent.

With the UN trying to lay claim to the entire global seabed, it might be a GOOD precedent for individual states to just say no.

Don’t get me wrong. I trust the Russians to be consistently self-interested and actively anti-American.

But still, not as bad as the UN.


11 posted on 07/28/2007 9:04:25 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Maybe Frank was right..

“The Dragon in the Sea” 1956 (also as “Under Pressure”)(also as “21st Century Sub”)

Story - a nuke sub stealing oil from an arctic pipeline. Old school Cold War novel with a strange resonance today.

Frank Herbert famous for Dune and the spin offs, a Navy man, he knew the sea. My favorite book of his is “Tactics of Mistake” and the book was on the reading list at one time for USAF NCOs.

12 posted on 07/28/2007 9:13:21 AM PDT by ASOC (Yeah, well, maybe - but can you *prove* it?)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Maybe Russia should also declare the sale of Alaska to the US null and void so it can drill in ANWAR, too. We could then move toward energy independence, as long as we stay friendly with Putin.
13 posted on 07/28/2007 9:25:25 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Planting trees to offset carbon emissions is like drinking water to offset rising ocean levels)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Could Santa Claus be forced to work for Putin?

I think Santa already works for the Chi-Coms.... ever notice where all the toys are made these days!?

14 posted on 07/28/2007 9:30:38 AM PDT by operation clinton cleanup (When Hill met Bill: If you're going to keep staring at me, I might as well introduce myself)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
A team of explorers plans to descend 4,300 metres (1,400ft) to the seabed in a miniature submarine

The times has it wrong. 4,300 meters is 14,107.6 feet.

15 posted on 07/28/2007 9:38:33 AM PDT by Rudder
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Map of Lomonosov Ridge

16 posted on 07/28/2007 9:38:52 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: Rudder
The times has it wrong. 4,300 meters is 14,107.6 feet.

Have those "Drive-By" L.S.M.-clowns ever been right on anything???

17 posted on 07/28/2007 10:10:08 AM PDT by danamco (Now, I would LOVE to hear your solution as to how to remove 12 to 30 million people from this countr)
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To: Rudder

what would be fun is getting into a DSV of our own and going down there to move their flag somewhere else...closer to Russia perhaps...

by the way, I call dibs on the moon with the US flag on it!


18 posted on 07/28/2007 10:30:59 AM PDT by stefanbatory
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Subhead: Enviros silent on Russian plans to develop any field they find. Elsewhere, enviros protest attempts to drill in ANWAR.


19 posted on 07/28/2007 11:24:13 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: samtheman
It will be interesting to see if the environment wackos protest the Russian move....
20 posted on 07/28/2007 11:29:31 AM PDT by thinking
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To: thinking

I’m sure they’ll try, but what can they do? Take Putin to court?

That might work, at least against Putin. He might just laugh so hard he’ll give himself an aneurysm.


21 posted on 07/28/2007 11:31:21 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: TigerLikesRooster
China/Cuba to be drilling for oil in the Gulf and Florida Straight. Russia to be drilling in the Arctic. USA diddling with biofuels and hybrids. What’s wrong with this picture?
22 posted on 07/28/2007 11:48:35 AM PDT by Roccus (Able Danger??? What's an Able Danger?????)
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To: norwaypinesavage

Hey! Leave me out of this!


23 posted on 07/28/2007 11:55:23 AM PDT by null and void (Whale oil: The carbon neutral, renewable petroleum alternative)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
4,300 metres (1,400ft)

Am I the only one who notices something very wrong with the math represented here?

1 meter = 3.28 feet (approximately)

4,300 X 3.28 = 14,104 feet

So, did they just accidentally leave off a zero, or was this some AlGore math?

24 posted on 07/28/2007 1:19:11 PM PDT by TheBattman (I've got TWO QUESTIONS for you....)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Has any country claimed the North Pole? Seems it’s open to anyone who cares to defend their claim.


25 posted on 07/28/2007 4:30:04 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Elections have consequences.)
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bump for later


26 posted on 07/28/2007 6:35:08 PM PDT by Wiz
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To: rawhide
Unless the Google Earth underwater topography is inaccurate, that ridge looks like an extension of greenland, not Asia.

Just saying.

27 posted on 07/28/2007 8:40:55 PM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: EGPWS

Why a dnc worker? Why not a disgruntled American that can’t get her government to protect her borders, drill our own oil, field a decent war since WW2 & calls me a racixt if I don’t want my country taken over by an invasion from the south. How does that connect with the dnc? Is our government drilling in Anwar? New fields in the Gulf (china is). dnc worker indeed.


28 posted on 07/28/2007 8:46:18 PM PDT by toomuchcoffee
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Russia is claiming the North Pole seabed by planting a flag?

I guess this means America owns the Moon and Mars!! How exciting!


29 posted on 08/01/2007 6:58:41 AM PDT by Melinator (testing... test, test, test, Is this thing on?)
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To: Melinator

No question that we own the moon.

;^)


30 posted on 08/01/2007 6:09:28 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

This is a hoax. The Russians never made it to the North Pole sea bottom. This was all filmed in a TV studio near Ostankino.


31 posted on 08/03/2007 6:27:31 AM PDT by Steppenwolf
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