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Romney Wrong That His Abortion Flip Flops Like Reagan's
Men's News Daily ^ | 8/20/07 | Warner Todd Huston

Posted on 08/20/2007 7:39:06 AM PDT by Mobile Vulgus

Former Massachusetts Governor and current GOP candidate for president Mitt Romney has been doing his level best to redefine in his favor his past stance on abortion and to push his newfound anti-abortion position as he continues his campaign. Romney appeared on the August 12th edition of Fox News Sunday to face host Chris Wallace who confronted the Governor with several video clips of Romney's professing far more support for abortion just 5 years ago than he now claims to have espoused then, or that he claims he currently espouses.

Romney has been desperately trying to distance himself from his past abortion stance and has been lately saying he was always "personally pro-life" and was mistaken to begrudgingly allow for pro-abortion support while he was Governor. Also, during the Sunday ABC Republican debates in August, Romney tried a mae culpa of sorts on his past stance calling it the "greatest mistake of his life." Romney told George Stephanopoulos, "My greatest mistake was when I first ran for office being deeply opposed to abortion but saying I'd support the current law, which was pro-choice and effectively a pro-choice position. That was just wrong."

But, Chris Wallace presented Romney with proof that pretty much devastates Romney's claim that he never supported abortion and that he only bowed to his Massachusetts constituency's desires. Wallace played two video clips where Romney went much further then any begrudging support, both of which in fact, seemed more like active advocacy than any perfunctory support. After the clips, Wallace reminded Romney that "for eight years" he had said that he would "protect and respect a woman's right to choose."

Video Clip One transcript:

M. ROMNEY: I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years that we should sustain and support it.

Video Clip Two transcript:

M. ROMNEY: I will preserve and protect a woman's right to choose and am devoted and dedicated to honoring my word in that regard. I will not change any provisions of Massachusetts's pro-choice laws.

But as Romney's current explanation is that he was always "personally pro-life" but that he made a mistake not to say so in the past, he also said just last December that he has "grown" to his current position. This "grown" claim seems to make the lie to his more recent GOP debate claim of having "always personally opposed abortion."

What is plain is that the evidence shows that Romney evolved from being a qualified abortion supporter as governor, to become a possible candidate claiming that he viewed abortion as wrong but supported it because those who voted for him by and large supported it, to an official candidate that says that he was always anti-abortion and regrets that he seemed to support it as governor. Its all hardly believable, but it does show a candidate who will say what he thinks his constituency wants to hear, at least on the issue of abortion.

Of course, these claims are hard to assess as who really knows what is in someone's heart? Certainly his past statements seem much more as advocacy for abortion but who can really say what is in his heart today? We can quibble about the veracity and truth of those statements and still not be able to successfully arrive at the truth, granted. But, the most disingenuous claim Romney has made, and one that can be assessed for its truth, is his claim that he has grown in his abortion position just like Ronald Reagan did when Reagan was first confronted with the issue while Governor of California in 1967. Romney told Chris Wallace that as governor Reagan was "adamantly pro-choice," and that Reagan "became pro-life as he experienced life," and presumably as his governorship evolved.

Romney's claim, however, is just patently false. Reagan's most able biographer, Lou Cannon, has documented* that in contravention to Romney's claim that Reagan was "adamantly pro-choice" Governor Reagan had never really given the abortion issue much thought before he took office. Cannon demonstrates that when Reagan was first confronted with abortion in 1967 he was unusually indecisive and had a difficult time deciding what he should do with a liberal abortion bill winding its way through the state house in Sacramento.

Cannon documents that after the abortion bill passed the California Senate, Reagan was asked by reporters during a press conference about his stance on the bill. When asked if he would sign the bill, Reagan answered, "I haven't had time to really sit down and marshal my thoughts on that." Such a reply certainly does not reveal an "adamant" position on the issue, as Romney claims Reagan held. Further, such indecision was not in any way a hallmark of the Reagan mode of operation.

In fact, Cannon writes that in 1968, the year after the bill passed, Reagan said that "those were awful weeks," and that he would never have signed the bill if he had "been a more experienced governor."

In light of the evidence it cannot be said that Reagan was ever an "adamant" pro-abortion supporter who later "grew" into an anti-abortion advocate. For Romney to invoke the spirit of Ronald Reagan in this way is a disgraceful attempt to co-opt the reputation of the most famous and successful politician of his age and an icon of the conservative movement to the aid of a candidate floundering on an issue. Mitt Romney's abortion problem bears no resemblance at all to Ronald Reagan's views "grown" or not.

Much can be said of Romney and his abortion problem. You can take him at his word that he "grew" into a more staunch pro-lifer or not. But one thing is absolutely sure; Mitt Romney is not like Ronald Reagan in any way, shape, manner or form.

A Transcript of Romney's reply to Chris Wallace from Fox News Sunday, August 12th, 2007:

M. ROMNEY: Yes. Yeah, that's right. And then when I became governor — I don't know what's so unusual about this, but when I became governor and when legislation was brought to my desk that dealt with life, and I sat down and I said, "Am I going to sign this? Because I personally oppose abortion. Am I going to sign this?"

And I brought in theologians. I brought in scientists, took it apart — this related to embryonic cloning. And I said, "I simply have to come down on the side of life," and wrote an op-ed piece in the Boston Globe and said, "Look, here is why I am pro-life."

And I laid out in my view that a civilized society must respect the sanctity of life. And you know what? I'm following in some pretty good footsteps.

It's exactly what Ronald Reagan did. As governor, he was adamantly pro-choice. He became pro-life as he experienced life.

And the same thing happened with Henry Hyde and George Herbert Walker Bush. And so if there's some people who can't get over the fact that I've become pro-life, that's fine.

But I'm not going to apologize for the fact that I am pro-life and that I was wrong before, in my view, and that I've taken the right course.

*Governor Reagan, His Rise to Power, by Lou Cannon, published in 2003 by Public Affairs, New York. Reference Chapter 16, pages 208 through 214.


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To: restornu

Another one of your patented non-answers, eh?


21 posted on 08/20/2007 9:04:42 AM PDT by dirtboy (Impeach Chertoff and Gonzales. We can't wait until 2009 for them to be gone.)
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To: EternalVigilance

thank you. the big article the other day talking about his wealth didnt mention its origin.


22 posted on 08/20/2007 9:05:00 AM PDT by RolandBurnam (soylent brown is poop)
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To: EternalVigilance

I don’t think he did takeovers, at least the way you characterize them. Bain Consulting did corporate consulting — helping troubled companies become profitable. Bain Capital did venture capital, financing startups, like Staples.


23 posted on 08/20/2007 9:07:21 AM PDT by lady lawyer
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To: HitmanLV
The traditional conservative position on abortion was that the Roe decision impeded States’ rights, and that the states decide their individual abortion policies.

That is the Jerry Ford position. Exactly.

The Ronald Reagan position, which has been the position of the Republican Party for the last twenty years, is that the unborn are PERSONS, and are therefore protected by the Fourteenth Amendment.

1984 Republican Platform plank on abortion:

The unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. We therefore reaffirm our support for a human life amendment to the Constitution, and we endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children. We oppose the use of public revenues for abortion and will eliminate funding for organizations which advocate or support abortion. We commend the efforts of those individuals and religious and private organizations that are providing positive alternatives to abortion by meeting the physical, emotional, and financial needs of pregnant women and offering adoption services where needed.

We applaud President Reagan’s fine record of judicial appointments, and we reaffirm our support for the appointment of judges at all levels of the judiciary who respect traditional family values and the sanctity of innocent human life.

1988

Since its inception, the Republican Party has stood for the worth of every person. On that ground, we support the pluralism and diversity that have been part of our country’s greatness. “Deep in our hearts, we do believe”: That the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. We therefore reaffirm our support for a human life amendment to the Constitution, and we endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children. We oppose the use of public revenues for abortion and will eliminate funding for organizations which advocate or support abortion. We commend the efforts of those individuals and religious and private organizations that are providing positive alternatives to abortion by meeting the physical, emotional, and financial needs of pregnant women and offering adoption services where needed.

We applaud President Regan’s fine record of judicial appointments, and we reaffirm our support for the appointment of judges at all levels of the judiciary who respect traditional family values and the sanctity of innocent human life.

1992

We believe the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. We therefore reaffirm our support for a human life amendment to the Constitution, and we endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children. We oppose using public revenues for abortion and will not fund organizations which advocate it. We commend those who provide alternatives to abortion by meeting the needs of mothers and offering adoption services. We reaffirm our support for appointment of judges who respect traditional family values and the sanctity of innocent human life.

1996

The unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and we endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children. Our purpose is to have legislative and judicial protection of that right against those who perform abortions. We oppose using public revenues for abortion and will not fund organizations which advocate it. We support the appointment of judges who respect traditional family values and the sanctity of innocent human life.

Our goal is to ensure that women with problem pregnancies have the kind of support, material and otherwise, they need for themselves and for their babies, not to be punitive towards those for whose difficult situation we have only compassion. We oppose abortion, but our pro-life agenda does not include punitive action against women who have an abortion. We salute those who provide alternatives to abortion and offer adoption services. Republicans in Congress took the lead in expanding assistance both for the costs of adoption and for the continuing care of adoptive children with special needs. Bill Clinton vetoed our adoption tax credit the first time around - and opposed our efforts to remove racial barriers to adoption - before joining in this long overdue measure of support for adoptive families.

Worse than that, he vetoed the ban on partial-birth abortions, a procedure denounced by a committee of the American Medical Association and rightly branded as four-fifths infanticide. We applaud Bob Dole’s commitment to revoke the Clinton executive orders concerning abortion and to sign into law an end to partial-birth abortions.

2000

We say the unborn child has a fundamental right to life. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and we endorse legislation that the 14th Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children. Our purpose is to have legislative and judicial protection of that right against those who perform abortions. We oppose using public revenues for abortion and will not fund organizations which advocate it. We support the appointment of judges who respect the sanctity of innocent human life.

Alternatives like adoption, instead of punitive action Our goal is to ensure that women with problem pregnancies have the kind of support, material and otherwise, they need for themselves and for their babies, not to be punitive towards those for whose difficult situation we have only compassion. We oppose abortion, but our pro-life agenda does not include punitive action against women who have an abortion. We salute those who provide alternatives to abortion and offer adoption services.

2004

We must keep our pledge to the first guarantee of the Declaration of Independence. That is why we say the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and we endorse legislation to make it clear that the 14th Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children. Our purpose is to have legislative and judicial protection of that right against those who perform abortions. We oppose using public revenues for abortion and will not fund organizations which advocate it. We support the appointment of judges who respect traditional family values and the sanctity of innocent human life.

24 posted on 08/20/2007 9:09:14 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (States' rights don't trump God-given, unalienable rights...support the Reagan pro-life platform)
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To: RolandBurnam
I have no problem if he made money in the private sector.

He did. Google "Bain Capital" and Romney.

25 posted on 08/20/2007 9:10:48 AM PDT by TChris (The Republican Party is merely the Democrat Party's "away" jersey - Vox Day)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Ronald Reagan’s pro-life awakening occurred around the same period of time that Roe was decided, which was in 1973. That is when we could say that the debate became public and information was readily available.

It has taken Mitt over 30 years, with all information available, to come to his pro-life decision, timed convieniently with his run for president.


26 posted on 08/20/2007 9:12:17 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: Mobile Vulgus
I agree. This explanation of Romney’s as to his position or non-position (which is it?) reveals of a migration of thought, but there is no substantial underlying reason given for such a change. It is a double minded position, and the Scriptures tell us that a double-minded man is unstable in all his ways (James’ Epistle).
27 posted on 08/20/2007 9:12:50 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: EternalVigilance

It’s a shell game. The modern GOP is on the losing side of this issue. A shame that it’s the morally right side.


28 posted on 08/20/2007 9:15:38 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("Lord, give me chastity and temperance, but not now." - St. Augustine)
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To: dirtboy

Well not everyone has the dirtboy rage!

29 posted on 08/20/2007 9:22:21 AM PDT by restornu (Teach them correct principals and let them govern themselves ~ Joseph Smith)
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To: HitmanLV

What is right always wins in the end, if good men don’t quit.


30 posted on 08/20/2007 9:22:36 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (States' rights don't trump God-given, unalienable rights...support the Reagan pro-life platform)
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To: EternalVigilance

Not always.


31 posted on 08/20/2007 9:25:34 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("Lord, give me chastity and temperance, but not now." - St. Augustine)
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To: jdm
Romney was born in 1947. Romney only recently became pro-life.

So? Ronald Reagan was a democrat for how many decades? It's not the number of years one is fighting on our side that is important -- it is the quality of the commitment.

Some of the most committed and passionate activists I know are the most recent ones.

Also, conservatism does not rise and fall on just one issue alone. Romney has been a conservative on a majority of issues his whole life.

Don't forget, Democrat Ronald Reagan voted for FDR for President four times, and campaigned for Harry Truman. He remained a Democrat until he switched his registration in 1962. He lived 5 decades as a Democrat.

Don't forget, too, that Ronald Reagan said he had no opinion on abortion one way or another when he became governor. He was 56 years old. Hadn't really thought about it too much .

From the book, Reagan In His Own Hand: 1975 Reagan radio address:

“Eight years ago when I became Gov. I found myself involved almost immediately in a controversy over abortion. It was a subject I’d never given much thought to and one upon which I didn’t really have an opinion.

And just a few years later he was staunchly pro-life, leading the conservative revolution and becoming one of our most loved and respected presidents. People change. And good. Imagine if people like those unfairly trashing Romney today had rejected Reagan back then too.

----->>Think about it. This is Ronald Reagan quoted above --- in his late 60's -- writing that he hadn't formed an opinion one way or another on abortion eight years earlier UNTIL HE WAS FORCED TO MAKE A DECISION ON IT WHEN IN OFFICE - when the issue of life was squarely placed before him ----> then it mattered.

That sounds VERY much like what happened to Romney.

Governor Romney: "Times of decision are moments of great clarity. Before I was Governor, the life issue was just that, an issue. But when responsibility for life or ending life was placed in my hands, I made the right decision. I chose life." (Governor Mitt Romney's Remarks At The National Right To Life Convention Forum, June 15, 2007)

32 posted on 08/20/2007 9:27:53 AM PDT by redgirlinabluestate
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To: jdm
I think that is the hardest thing for some of the one-issue absolutists to fathom -- that some people don't really have a strong opinion on this issue one way or another for a good deal of their lives -- if ever. Busy, perhaps, with other pursuits in life and not fully informed on the issue at all. Not forming a strong opinion one way or another until later in life (and, nonetheless, one of them turned out to be one of our most beloved presidents - imagine that!).

With these two men, Reagan and Romney, when the issue of life hit them in the face and, ultimately, they had to take a stand -- they made the right choice in the end.

"I am evidence that your work, that your relentless campaign to promote the sanctity of human life, bears fruit." (Governor Mitt Romney's Remarks At The National Right To Life Convention Forum, June 15, 2007)

Amen to that.

33 posted on 08/20/2007 9:29:10 AM PDT by redgirlinabluestate
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To: HitmanLV

Well then, crawl in a corner and give up. /s


34 posted on 08/20/2007 9:30:52 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (States' rights don't trump God-given, unalienable rights...support the Reagan pro-life platform)
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To: EternalVigilance

Giving up on one issue, particularly after you recognize you have lost, isn’t a bad thing. And it doesn’t mean you withdraw from every other issue.


35 posted on 08/20/2007 9:32:30 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("Lord, give me chastity and temperance, but not now." - St. Augustine)
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To: redgirlinabluestate; Reagan Man
the one-issue absolutists

Your rhetoric betrays you, just like Romney's betrays him.

36 posted on 08/20/2007 9:32:34 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (States' rights don't trump God-given, unalienable rights...support the Reagan pro-life platform)
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To: HitmanLV
Giving up on one issue, particularly after you recognize you have lost, isn’t a bad thing. And it doesn’t mean you withdraw from every other issue.

Come on. You haven't given up on anything. You never cared about stopping abortion in the first place.

37 posted on 08/20/2007 9:33:36 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (States' rights don't trump God-given, unalienable rights...support the Reagan pro-life platform)
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To: EternalVigilance

Not true at all. I have always been pro life. I just don’t see the results coming from the movement. If it was a product line, it would have been discontinued long ago.


38 posted on 08/20/2007 9:34:45 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("Lord, give me chastity and temperance, but not now." - St. Augustine)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Romney told Chris Wallace that as governor Reagan was "adamantly pro-choice," and that Reagan "became pro-life as he experienced life," and presumably as his governorship evolved.

American Liar


As governor, [Ronald Reagan]
was adamantly pro-choice.

39 posted on 08/20/2007 9:36:44 AM PDT by Petronski (Why would Romney lie about Ronald Reagan's record?)
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To: HitmanLV

Well, the reason you don’t “see results” is that the party, and the movement, have been “led” by those who severely misunderstand the issue, and are willing to compromise on things that cannot be compromised. Kind of like you do.


40 posted on 08/20/2007 9:37:22 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (States' rights don't trump God-given, unalienable rights...support the Reagan pro-life platform)
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