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Romney Wrong That His Abortion Flip Flops Like Reagan's
Men's News Daily ^ | 8/20/07 | Warner Todd Huston

Posted on 08/20/2007 7:39:06 AM PDT by Mobile Vulgus

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To: restornu
Faux pas hell. He lied.
41 posted on 08/20/2007 9:37:53 AM PDT by Petronski (Why would Romney lie about Ronald Reagan's record?)
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To: redgirlinabluestate
It was a poor choice of words.

It was a damn lie.

42 posted on 08/20/2007 9:39:17 AM PDT by Petronski (Why would Romney lie about Ronald Reagan's record?)
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To: EternalVigilance

I think the leaders of the pro life movement, not so much the GOP, have misunderstood the issue and have been ineffective in the debate. The dominant issue in the debate in 1973 was whether abortion should be legal. The dominant issue in 2007 isn’t that at all, but regard parental notification, partial birth abortion, and related issues.

I think the pro life leadership is stuck on the 1973 debate, oblivious to the fact that enough people, and maybe a majority, are well past that.


43 posted on 08/20/2007 9:40:54 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("Lord, give me chastity and temperance, but not now." - St. Augustine)
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To: HitmanLV

In other words, you claim to be pro-life, but you have surrendered.

And meanwhile, today, another couple thousand American babies will be brutally killed.


44 posted on 08/20/2007 9:44:09 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (States' rights don't trump God-given, unalienable rights...support the Reagan pro-life platform)
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To: RolandBurnam

“.....he is worth 200 million? How did he get it?”
WHAT-—you never heard of the franchise owned by Romney
Drive-thru clinics called “Just Abort” ?????


45 posted on 08/20/2007 9:44:28 AM PDT by supremedoctrine ("Happiness makes up in height for what it lacks in length"----Robert Frost)
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To: EternalVigilance

Yes, I am pro life, but I recognize that more people than not want abortion to be legal.


46 posted on 08/20/2007 9:46:19 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("Lord, give me chastity and temperance, but not now." - St. Augustine)
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To: restornu
Well not everyone has the dirtboy rage!

Some of us, however, can engage in rational debate instead of just posting dumb graphics that have nothing to do with the topic of the article.

47 posted on 08/20/2007 9:48:32 AM PDT by dirtboy (Impeach Chertoff and Gonzales. We can't wait until 2009 for them to be gone.)
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To: BritExPatInFla; HitmanLV
And is the big issue that the ‘Conservatives’ pay lip service to, but know that they cannot and will not ever ‘Overturn’. Single issue abortion voters are truly being led around by the nose.
BritExPatInFla

It takes a remarkable individual to truly have no grasp that they have lost.
HitmanLV

1790
After gathering evidence for a year, Wilberforce presents the first abolition bill to the House of Commons. The petition to abolish the slave trade has over 390,000 signatures and Lord Charles Fox unexpectedly adds his signature to the list. But, the bill still does not pass the House.

1792
With 230 to 85 votes, the House of Commons voted in favor of the abolition of the slave trade to happen gradually, but the bill is rejected by the House of Lords.

1793-1802
The French Revolutionary War between Britain and France deters the abolition campaign.

1796
William Wilberforce's opponents give four free tickets to his 'loyal supporters' for a comic opera the evening of the vote on the abolition bill. The four men go to the opera, skip out of the vote, and Wilberforce's abolitionist bill is again defeated.

1797
Henry Thornton, William Wilberforce's cousin and friend, with Thornton's wife Marianne, take care of Wilberforce while he is ill. They introduce him to Barbara Spooner, whom Wilberforce marries.

1803-15
Napoleonic Wars between Britain and France last for 12 years.

1805
An anti-French bill that "all ships flying the American flag be liable to search and seizure" is passed. This bill is actually a disguised anti-slavery bill to cut slavers' profits and weaken the slave trading business.

1807
At 4 o'clock in the morning, the final count is 16 no's to the left, and 283 ayes to the right. The House of Commons finally votes to abolish the slave trade throughout the British Empire. William Wilberforce continues to fight the slave trade around the world throughout his whole life since existing slaves still remained in custody of their owners.

1833
Abolition of the slave trade of all kinds passes in July throughout the British Empire. William Wilberforce hears the news and cries: "Thank God that I have lived to witness the day in which England is willing to give £20 million (pounds) for the abolishment of slavery." Three days later, Wilberforce dies.

Yes, he was truly a remarkable individual.

Cordially,

48 posted on 08/20/2007 9:50:17 AM PDT by Diamond
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To: redgirlinabluestate
it is the quality of the commitment.

How can we measure or determine the "quality of Romney's commitment" when he allegedly became pro-life just within the past year or two?

49 posted on 08/20/2007 9:50:52 AM PDT by jdm
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To: jdm
How can we measure or determine the "quality of Romney's commitment"

By looking at this actual record.

1)Romney took the pro-life position on every abortion-related issue he’s faced while governor.

2)He vetoed an emergency contraception bill and offered a compelling case for life in the process.

3)He fought efforts to advance embryonic stem cell research in Massachusetts, despite overwhelming opposition.

4)He pledged to veto any effort to expand access to RU-486, the abortion pill.

5)He has faced constant ridicule from pro-abortion organizations for refusing to give in to their demands.

6)He actively promoted abstinence education programs in Massachusetts’ schools. The abstinence movement and the pro-life movement work hand-in-hand to reduce the number of teen pregnancies and to promote true sexual health to America’s youth.
Romney's Pro-life Record Proven

50 posted on 08/20/2007 9:56:14 AM PDT by redgirlinabluestate
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To: Diamond

Lots of luck convincing America’s women that they can’t make an inconvenient, or otherwise unexplainable, pregnancy go away.


51 posted on 08/20/2007 9:57:33 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("Lord, give me chastity and temperance, but not now." - St. Augustine)
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To: jdm
How can we measure or determine the "quality of Romney's commitment"

By evaluating the opinions of those those know him much better than we do and who are convinced of his commitment and support him, including people like Sen. Jim DeMint, pro-life advocate James Bopp, Jr., Rep. Hoekstra and these people:

An Open Letter from Pro-Life Leaders Regarding Governor Mitt Romney

January 11, 2007

Dear conservative friends:

We hail from a broad spectrum of organizations dedicated to fighting for the pro-family agenda in Massachusetts. As you know, Mitt Romney became the governor of our state in 2003.

Since that time, we have worked closely with him and his excellent staff on that agenda. Some press accounts and bloggers have described Governor Romney in terms we neither have observed nor can we accept. To the contrary, we, who have been fighting here for the values you also hold, are indebted to him and his responsive staff in demonstrating solid social conservative credentials by undertaking the following actions here in Massachusetts:

• Staunchly defended traditional marriage. Governor Romney immediately and strongly condemned the 2003 court decision that legalized “same-sex marriage” in our state. More importantly, he followed up on that denunciation with action – action that saved our nation from a constitutional crisis over the definition of marriage. He and his staff identified and enforced a little-known 1913 law that allowed them to order local clerks not to issue marriage licenses to out-of-state couples. Absent this action, homosexual couples would surely have flooded into Massachusetts from other states to get “married” and then demanded that their home states recognize the “marriages,” putting the nation only one court decision away from nationalizing “same-sex marriage.”

• Worked hard to overturn “same-sex marriage” in the Commonwealth with considerable progress to date. In 2004 he lobbied hard, before a very hostile legislature, for a constitutional amendment protecting marriage – an amendment later changed by the legislature to include civil unions, which the Governor and many marriage amendment supporters opposed. Working with the Governor, we were successful in defeating this amendment.

• Provided active support for a successful citizen petition drive in 2005 to advance a clean constitutional amendment defining marriage as the union of one man and one woman.

Rallied thousands of citizens to focus public and media attention on the failure of legislators, through repeated delays, to perform their constitutional obligation and vote on the marriage amendment.

Filed suit before the Supreme Judicial Court. The Governor’s suit asked the court to clarify the legislators’ duty to vote and failing that, to place the amendment on the 2008 ballot. That lawsuit, perhaps more than any other single action, was by all accounts instrumental in bringing pressure on the legislators to vote. The vote ultimately was taken on January 2, 2007 and won legislative support – clearing a major hurdle in the three year effort to restore traditional marriage in the Commonwealth.

Fought for abstinence education. In 2006, under Governor Romney’s leadership, Massachusetts’ public schools began to offer a classroom program on abstinence from the faith-based Boston group Healthy Futures to middle school students. Promoting the program, Governor Romney stated, “I’ve never had anyone complain to me that their kids are not learning enough about sex in school. However, a number of people have asked me why it is that we do not speak more about abstinence as a safe and preventative health practice.”

Affirmed the culture of life. Governor Romney has vetoed bills to provide access to the socalled “morning-after pill,” which is an abortifacient, as well as a bill providing for expansive, embryo-destroying stem cell research. He vetoed the latter bill in 2005 because he could not “in good conscience allow this bill to become law.”

•Last year, Governor Romney was stalwart in defense of the right of Catholic Charities of Boston to refuse to allow homosexual couples to adopt children in its care. Catholic Charities was loudly accused of “discrimination,” but Governor Romney correctly pointed out that it is unjust to force a religious agency to violate the tenets of its faith in order to placate a special-interest group.

• in the Massachusetts legislature to save Catholic Charities of Boston and other religious groups from being forced to violate their moral principles or stop doing important charitable work.

All of this may explain why John J. Miller, the national political reporter of National Review, has written that “a good case can be made that Romney has fought harder for social conservatives than any other governor in America, and it is difficult to imagine his doing so in a more daunting political environment.”

We are aware of the 1994 comments of Senate candidate Romney, which have been the subject of much recent discussion. While they are, taken by themselves, obviously worrisome to social conservatives including ourselves, they do not dovetail with the actions of Governor Romney from 2003 until now – and those actions have positively and demonstrably impacted the social climate of Massachusetts.

Since well before 2003, we have been laboring in the trenches of Massachusetts, fighting for the family values you and we share. It is difficult work indeed – not for the faint of heart. In this challenging environment, Governor Romney has proven that he shares our values, as well as our determination to protect them.

For four years, Governor Romney has been right there beside us, providing leadership on key issues – whether it was politically expedient to do so or not. He has stood on principle, and we have benefited greatly from having him with us. It is clear that Governor Romney has learned much since 1994 – to the benefit of our movement and our Commonwealth. In fact, the entire nation has benefited from his socially conservative, pro-family actions in office. As we explained earlier, his leadership on the marriage issue helped prevent our nation from being plunged into even worse legal turmoil following the court decision that forced “gay marriage” upon our Commonwealth.

For that our country ought to be thankful. We certainly are.

Sincerely,

Rita Covelle President, Morality in Media Massachusetts

Richard Guerriero Immediate Past State Deputy, Massachusetts State Council, Knights of Columbus

Mary Ann Glendon Learned Hand Professor of Law, Harvard Law School

Kristian Mineau President, Massachusetts Family Institute

Dr. Roberto Miranda President, COPAHNI Fellowship of Hispanic Pastors of New England

James Morgan President, Institute for Family Development

Joseph Reilly President, Massachusetts Citizens for Life

Thomas A. Shields Chairman, Coalition for Family and Marriage

52 posted on 08/20/2007 10:01:57 AM PDT by redgirlinabluestate
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To: redgirlinabluestate
Mitt Romney signs "Commonwealth Care" into law, with Ted Kennedy looking on with a satisfied smile...

Commonwealth Care provides taxpayer-funded abortions:

Summary of Commonwealth Care Benefits | Plan Type 2, 3, and 4

Outpatient Medical Care

· Office visits (PCP / specialty)
· Outpatient surgery (Outpatient hospital / ambulatory surgery centers)
· Community health center visits (PCP / specialty)
· Radiology, imaging (X-rays) / labs
· Abortion services

53 posted on 08/20/2007 10:02:08 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (States' rights don't trump God-given, unalienable rights...support the Reagan pro-life platform)
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To: redgirlinabluestate
1)Romney took the pro-life position on every abortion-related issue he’s faced while governor.

Bull.

54 posted on 08/20/2007 10:02:51 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (States' rights don't trump God-given, unalienable rights...support the Reagan pro-life platform)
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To: redgirlinabluestate
Last year, Governor Romney was stalwart in defense of the right of Catholic Charities of Boston to refuse to allow homosexual couples to adopt children in its care.

In 2006 Mitt Romney's administration declared two gay men as "adoptive parents of the year."

55 posted on 08/20/2007 10:05:24 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (States' rights don't trump God-given, unalienable rights...support the Reagan pro-life platform)
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To: redgirlinabluestate
That is not the full Reagan quote. You purposely pulled it out of context. Here's the full statement from Reagan's April 1975 radio address:

"Eight years ago when I became Gov. I found myself involved almost immediately in a controversy over abortion. It was a subject I'd never given much thought to and one upon which I didn't really have an opinion."

"I did more studying & soul searching then on any thing that was to face me as Gov".

"I know there will be disagreement with this view but I can find no evidence whatsoever that a fetus is not a living human being with human rights."

Reagan was firmly in the prolife camp and adamantly opposed to most abortions by 1968. The 1967 Therapeutic Abortion Act that Reagan signed into law did not grant abortions on demand. It was specific to the exceptions of substantial risk that would gravely impair the physical or mental health of the woman, along with rape and incest. It was advertised as a compassionate law that would be used to deal with the diffcult abortion cases. By the way, that law was overturned in 1972 by the California Supreme Court.

More than likely you pulled that Reagan remark from one of my posts. Otherwise, tell us what page it's from?

Reagan was never pro-choice and at no time did he favor abortion on demand, personally or as a matter of public policy. He reluctantly signed a bill that relaxed an outright ban on abortions. He said he signed it out of sympathy for the victims of rape, incest and for those women who may be facing serious health risks. Reagan did not sign it out of political expediency and it didn't take Reagan 30 years to become pro-life.

Mitt Romney has a record of 30+ years in support of abortion on demand and Roe V Wade. Stop lying!

56 posted on 08/20/2007 10:07:53 AM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: redgirlinabluestate
Worked hard to overturn “same-sex marriage” in the Commonwealth with considerable progress to date.

In spite of the total absence of any legislation or constitutional provision that allowed, much less required, him to do so, Mitt Romney changed marriage licenses in MA to include gays, and threatened every justice of the peace in the state with firing if they would not perform gay marriages.

No statute or constitutional provision exists to this day which allows for gay marriage in Massachusetts.

57 posted on 08/20/2007 10:08:21 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (States' rights don't trump God-given, unalienable rights...support the Reagan pro-life platform)
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To: HitmanLV
...make an inconvenient, or otherwise unexplainable, pregnancy go away...

Dandy euphemism for murder you have there.

58 posted on 08/20/2007 10:12:25 AM PDT by Petronski (Why would Romney lie about Ronald Reagan's record?)
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To: EternalVigilance
Until Roe v. Wade is overturned and the people have spoken it is legal. And, unfortunately, the majority of those in Massachusetts support it.

"I understand that my views on laws governing abortion set me in the minority in our Commonwealth. I am prolife. I believe that abortion is the wrong choice except in cases of incest, rape, and to save the life of the mother. I wish the people of America agreed, and that the laws of our nation could reflect that view. But while the nation remains so divided over abortion, I believe that the states, through the democratic process, should determine their own abortion laws and not have them dictated by judicial mandate." ~ Mitt Romney

You are going nowhere unless we elect a conservative president committed to appointing strict constructionist judges who will overturn RvW. “Transforming the courts” is a pre-requisite to winning the pro-life position. All the top tier candidates agree on that. However, unless a Republican is picking the judges that’s not going to happen.

59 posted on 08/20/2007 10:12:39 AM PDT by redgirlinabluestate
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To: redgirlinabluestate
Fought for abstinence education.

A coldly calculated move, one of many, that Romney used to create pathetic and phony "conservative" credentials after he had decided to abandon Massachusetts and pursue his presidential ambitions.

However, a broader look at Romney's actual overall record as Governor DOES NOT reveal a pro-family politician. Quite the contrary.

Homosexual "Rights"

Gov. Romney has a long history of promoting and furthering the homosexual agenda, and working closely with leading gay activists

Romney twice sought and received the endorsement of the homosexual Log Cabin Republican Club

Romney's campaign distributed pro-gay rights campaign literature during Boston's "Gay Pride" events

Romney supports homosexual "anti-discrimination" laws

Such laws are usually carried out at the expense of freedom of religion and speech. For example, they would allow lawsuits against a Christian book store owner for refusing to hire a homosexual activist applicant.

Romney advocates homosexual couples' adoption rights be recognized by the government

Romney supports homosexual domestic partnerships

Romney supported and promoted legalizing homosexual civil unions

Romney Opposes the Boy Scouts' Ban on Homosexual Scoutmasters

Romney barred Boy Scouts from public participation in 2002 Olympics

Homosexual activism in government

Romney appointed prominent homosexuals to key positions in his administration

Romney appointed prominent homosexual activists and Democrats as judges

Romney Rewards one of the State's Leading Anti-Marriage Attorneys by Making him a Judge

Romney announces he won't fill judicial vacancies before term ends

Romney's Commission on Gay and Lesbian Youth used huge taxpayer funding to promote homosexuality in the public schools

Romney's Commission organized public gay "Youth Pride Day" parades and "transgender proms" which promote unhealthy and risky behavior

Romney issues a proclamation celebrating gay "Youth Pride Day"

Romney's Department of Education promotes the homosexual agenda

Romney's Department of Public Health (DPH) cooperates with the homosexual activist movement

Romney opposed federal legislation that would stop public schools from promoting homosexuality

Romney's Dept. of Social Services honors homosexual "married" couple as adoptive "Parents of the Year"

Homosexual "Marriage"

Romney refused to endorse the original 2002 Mass. constitutional amendment absolutely defining marriage as one man and one women

Romney unnecessarily (and unconstitutionally) implemented homosexual marriages in Massachusetts

Romney had marriage licenses changed to allow same-sex marriages

Romney administration ordered Justices of Peace to perform homosexual "marriages" when asked - or be fired!

Romney administration's training of Town Clerks (on how to issue same-sex marriage licenses) states that marriage statutes were not changed

Romney signs bill eliminating Sexual Transmitted Disease (STD) testing requirement for marriage

When requested of him, Romney personally issues special one-day certificates to allow otherwise unqualified people to perform homosexual "marriages"

Was Romney's public opposition to homosexual "marriage" based on expediency, not principle?

The Mitt Romney Deception
60 posted on 08/20/2007 10:13:09 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (States' rights don't trump God-given, unalienable rights...support the Reagan pro-life platform)
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