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Romney Wrong That His Abortion Flip Flops Like Reagan's
Men's News Daily ^ | 8/20/07 | Warner Todd Huston

Posted on 08/20/2007 7:39:06 AM PDT by Mobile Vulgus

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To: restornu

Another one of your patented non-answers, eh?


21 posted on 08/20/2007 9:04:42 AM PDT by dirtboy (Impeach Chertoff and Gonzales. We can't wait until 2009 for them to be gone.)
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To: EternalVigilance

thank you. the big article the other day talking about his wealth didnt mention its origin.


22 posted on 08/20/2007 9:05:00 AM PDT by RolandBurnam (soylent brown is poop)
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To: EternalVigilance

I don’t think he did takeovers, at least the way you characterize them. Bain Consulting did corporate consulting — helping troubled companies become profitable. Bain Capital did venture capital, financing startups, like Staples.


23 posted on 08/20/2007 9:07:21 AM PDT by lady lawyer
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To: HitmanLV
The traditional conservative position on abortion was that the Roe decision impeded States’ rights, and that the states decide their individual abortion policies.

That is the Jerry Ford position. Exactly.

The Ronald Reagan position, which has been the position of the Republican Party for the last twenty years, is that the unborn are PERSONS, and are therefore protected by the Fourteenth Amendment.

1984 Republican Platform plank on abortion:

The unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. We therefore reaffirm our support for a human life amendment to the Constitution, and we endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children. We oppose the use of public revenues for abortion and will eliminate funding for organizations which advocate or support abortion. We commend the efforts of those individuals and religious and private organizations that are providing positive alternatives to abortion by meeting the physical, emotional, and financial needs of pregnant women and offering adoption services where needed.

We applaud President Reagan’s fine record of judicial appointments, and we reaffirm our support for the appointment of judges at all levels of the judiciary who respect traditional family values and the sanctity of innocent human life.

1988

Since its inception, the Republican Party has stood for the worth of every person. On that ground, we support the pluralism and diversity that have been part of our country’s greatness. “Deep in our hearts, we do believe”: That the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. We therefore reaffirm our support for a human life amendment to the Constitution, and we endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children. We oppose the use of public revenues for abortion and will eliminate funding for organizations which advocate or support abortion. We commend the efforts of those individuals and religious and private organizations that are providing positive alternatives to abortion by meeting the physical, emotional, and financial needs of pregnant women and offering adoption services where needed.

We applaud President Regan’s fine record of judicial appointments, and we reaffirm our support for the appointment of judges at all levels of the judiciary who respect traditional family values and the sanctity of innocent human life.

1992

We believe the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. We therefore reaffirm our support for a human life amendment to the Constitution, and we endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children. We oppose using public revenues for abortion and will not fund organizations which advocate it. We commend those who provide alternatives to abortion by meeting the needs of mothers and offering adoption services. We reaffirm our support for appointment of judges who respect traditional family values and the sanctity of innocent human life.

1996

The unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and we endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children. Our purpose is to have legislative and judicial protection of that right against those who perform abortions. We oppose using public revenues for abortion and will not fund organizations which advocate it. We support the appointment of judges who respect traditional family values and the sanctity of innocent human life.

Our goal is to ensure that women with problem pregnancies have the kind of support, material and otherwise, they need for themselves and for their babies, not to be punitive towards those for whose difficult situation we have only compassion. We oppose abortion, but our pro-life agenda does not include punitive action against women who have an abortion. We salute those who provide alternatives to abortion and offer adoption services. Republicans in Congress took the lead in expanding assistance both for the costs of adoption and for the continuing care of adoptive children with special needs. Bill Clinton vetoed our adoption tax credit the first time around - and opposed our efforts to remove racial barriers to adoption - before joining in this long overdue measure of support for adoptive families.

Worse than that, he vetoed the ban on partial-birth abortions, a procedure denounced by a committee of the American Medical Association and rightly branded as four-fifths infanticide. We applaud Bob Dole’s commitment to revoke the Clinton executive orders concerning abortion and to sign into law an end to partial-birth abortions.

2000

We say the unborn child has a fundamental right to life. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and we endorse legislation that the 14th Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children. Our purpose is to have legislative and judicial protection of that right against those who perform abortions. We oppose using public revenues for abortion and will not fund organizations which advocate it. We support the appointment of judges who respect the sanctity of innocent human life.

Alternatives like adoption, instead of punitive action Our goal is to ensure that women with problem pregnancies have the kind of support, material and otherwise, they need for themselves and for their babies, not to be punitive towards those for whose difficult situation we have only compassion. We oppose abortion, but our pro-life agenda does not include punitive action against women who have an abortion. We salute those who provide alternatives to abortion and offer adoption services.

2004

We must keep our pledge to the first guarantee of the Declaration of Independence. That is why we say the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and we endorse legislation to make it clear that the 14th Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children. Our purpose is to have legislative and judicial protection of that right against those who perform abortions. We oppose using public revenues for abortion and will not fund organizations which advocate it. We support the appointment of judges who respect traditional family values and the sanctity of innocent human life.

24 posted on 08/20/2007 9:09:14 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (States' rights don't trump God-given, unalienable rights...support the Reagan pro-life platform)
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To: RolandBurnam
I have no problem if he made money in the private sector.

He did. Google "Bain Capital" and Romney.

25 posted on 08/20/2007 9:10:48 AM PDT by TChris (The Republican Party is merely the Democrat Party's "away" jersey - Vox Day)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

Ronald Reagan’s pro-life awakening occurred around the same period of time that Roe was decided, which was in 1973. That is when we could say that the debate became public and information was readily available.

It has taken Mitt over 30 years, with all information available, to come to his pro-life decision, timed convieniently with his run for president.


26 posted on 08/20/2007 9:12:17 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: Mobile Vulgus
I agree. This explanation of Romney’s as to his position or non-position (which is it?) reveals of a migration of thought, but there is no substantial underlying reason given for such a change. It is a double minded position, and the Scriptures tell us that a double-minded man is unstable in all his ways (James’ Epistle).
27 posted on 08/20/2007 9:12:50 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: EternalVigilance

It’s a shell game. The modern GOP is on the losing side of this issue. A shame that it’s the morally right side.


28 posted on 08/20/2007 9:15:38 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("Lord, give me chastity and temperance, but not now." - St. Augustine)
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To: dirtboy

Well not everyone has the dirtboy rage!

29 posted on 08/20/2007 9:22:21 AM PDT by restornu (Teach them correct principals and let them govern themselves ~ Joseph Smith)
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To: HitmanLV

What is right always wins in the end, if good men don’t quit.


30 posted on 08/20/2007 9:22:36 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (States' rights don't trump God-given, unalienable rights...support the Reagan pro-life platform)
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To: EternalVigilance

Not always.


31 posted on 08/20/2007 9:25:34 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("Lord, give me chastity and temperance, but not now." - St. Augustine)
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To: jdm
Romney was born in 1947. Romney only recently became pro-life.

So? Ronald Reagan was a democrat for how many decades? It's not the number of years one is fighting on our side that is important -- it is the quality of the commitment.

Some of the most committed and passionate activists I know are the most recent ones.

Also, conservatism does not rise and fall on just one issue alone. Romney has been a conservative on a majority of issues his whole life.

Don't forget, Democrat Ronald Reagan voted for FDR for President four times, and campaigned for Harry Truman. He remained a Democrat until he switched his registration in 1962. He lived 5 decades as a Democrat.

Don't forget, too, that Ronald Reagan said he had no opinion on abortion one way or another when he became governor. He was 56 years old. Hadn't really thought about it too much .

From the book, Reagan In His Own Hand: 1975 Reagan radio address:

“Eight years ago when I became Gov. I found myself involved almost immediately in a controversy over abortion. It was a subject I’d never given much thought to and one upon which I didn’t really have an opinion.

And just a few years later he was staunchly pro-life, leading the conservative revolution and becoming one of our most loved and respected presidents. People change. And good. Imagine if people like those unfairly trashing Romney today had rejected Reagan back then too.

----->>Think about it. This is Ronald Reagan quoted above --- in his late 60's -- writing that he hadn't formed an opinion one way or another on abortion eight years earlier UNTIL HE WAS FORCED TO MAKE A DECISION ON IT WHEN IN OFFICE - when the issue of life was squarely placed before him ----> then it mattered.

That sounds VERY much like what happened to Romney.

Governor Romney: "Times of decision are moments of great clarity. Before I was Governor, the life issue was just that, an issue. But when responsibility for life or ending life was placed in my hands, I made the right decision. I chose life." (Governor Mitt Romney's Remarks At The National Right To Life Convention Forum, June 15, 2007)

32 posted on 08/20/2007 9:27:53 AM PDT by redgirlinabluestate
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To: jdm
I think that is the hardest thing for some of the one-issue absolutists to fathom -- that some people don't really have a strong opinion on this issue one way or another for a good deal of their lives -- if ever. Busy, perhaps, with other pursuits in life and not fully informed on the issue at all. Not forming a strong opinion one way or another until later in life (and, nonetheless, one of them turned out to be one of our most beloved presidents - imagine that!).

With these two men, Reagan and Romney, when the issue of life hit them in the face and, ultimately, they had to take a stand -- they made the right choice in the end.

"I am evidence that your work, that your relentless campaign to promote the sanctity of human life, bears fruit." (Governor Mitt Romney's Remarks At The National Right To Life Convention Forum, June 15, 2007)

Amen to that.

33 posted on 08/20/2007 9:29:10 AM PDT by redgirlinabluestate
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To: HitmanLV

Well then, crawl in a corner and give up. /s


34 posted on 08/20/2007 9:30:52 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (States' rights don't trump God-given, unalienable rights...support the Reagan pro-life platform)
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To: EternalVigilance

Giving up on one issue, particularly after you recognize you have lost, isn’t a bad thing. And it doesn’t mean you withdraw from every other issue.


35 posted on 08/20/2007 9:32:30 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("Lord, give me chastity and temperance, but not now." - St. Augustine)
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To: redgirlinabluestate; Reagan Man
the one-issue absolutists

Your rhetoric betrays you, just like Romney's betrays him.

36 posted on 08/20/2007 9:32:34 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (States' rights don't trump God-given, unalienable rights...support the Reagan pro-life platform)
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To: HitmanLV
Giving up on one issue, particularly after you recognize you have lost, isn’t a bad thing. And it doesn’t mean you withdraw from every other issue.

Come on. You haven't given up on anything. You never cared about stopping abortion in the first place.

37 posted on 08/20/2007 9:33:36 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (States' rights don't trump God-given, unalienable rights...support the Reagan pro-life platform)
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To: EternalVigilance

Not true at all. I have always been pro life. I just don’t see the results coming from the movement. If it was a product line, it would have been discontinued long ago.


38 posted on 08/20/2007 9:34:45 AM PDT by HitmanLV ("Lord, give me chastity and temperance, but not now." - St. Augustine)
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To: Mobile Vulgus
Romney told Chris Wallace that as governor Reagan was "adamantly pro-choice," and that Reagan "became pro-life as he experienced life," and presumably as his governorship evolved.

American Liar


As governor, [Ronald Reagan]
was adamantly pro-choice.

39 posted on 08/20/2007 9:36:44 AM PDT by Petronski (Why would Romney lie about Ronald Reagan's record?)
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To: HitmanLV

Well, the reason you don’t “see results” is that the party, and the movement, have been “led” by those who severely misunderstand the issue, and are willing to compromise on things that cannot be compromised. Kind of like you do.


40 posted on 08/20/2007 9:37:22 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (States' rights don't trump God-given, unalienable rights...support the Reagan pro-life platform)
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