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HBO gets raw -- or is it raunchy? (HBO gets into the hardcore porn business)
The Chicago Tribune ^ | July 14, 2007 | Scott Collins

Posted on 08/20/2007 11:59:41 AM PDT by DesScorp

Bosoms and things: That's not exactly a plot summary of "Tell Me," but it's not a bad place to start. Because that's where many viewers will start. Whatever else it may or may not be, "Tell Me," at least in its current form, will set a new precedent for prime-time TV when it has its premiere Sept. 9: No previous series, on pay cable or anywhere else, has dared show anything even close to this much skin; the climax, if you will, of the first episode finds a woman (Sonya Walger) in her 30s masturbating her husband (Adam Scott) to orgasm, with the entire act and all relevant body parts plainly visible. Even Jane Alexander — yes, that Jane Alexander, the snow-domed, regally poised 67-year-old former chief of the National Endowment for the Arts — drops trousers for some frisky senior sex

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Unclassified
KEYWORDS: cable; hbo; morals; porn; trashtv
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I think HBO is jumping the shark here. They're doing hard core porn, and yet the actors are protesting that they're not porn stars, they're serious actors. Well, not anymore. See that "adult DVD" section in the back of your big city video store, mam? That's you now. You're a porn star.
1 posted on 08/20/2007 11:59:43 AM PDT by DesScorp
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To: DesScorp
Jane Alexander doing hard core porn on HBO?!

I'll pass.

2 posted on 08/20/2007 12:02:34 PM PDT by AU72
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To: DesScorp

HBO’s owned by Time Warner, ain’t it? If so, nuff said.


3 posted on 08/20/2007 12:02:51 PM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: DesScorp

There’s no outcry from the FCC; they’re too busy building the “Fairness Doctrine” to muzzle talk radio......


4 posted on 08/20/2007 12:03:06 PM PDT by traditional1 ( "A liberal is someone who feels a great debt to his fellow man, which debt he proposes to pay off)
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To: DesScorp

Californification on Showtime is equally disturbing.


5 posted on 08/20/2007 12:03:47 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: DesScorp

Ratings equal money. There is no where U.S. mass media, if unrestrained, won’t go in search of a dollar. Jerry Springer proved that.


6 posted on 08/20/2007 12:04:47 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: traditional1

The FCC doesn’t regulate cable TV or pay-per-view tv, just over-the-air TV.


7 posted on 08/20/2007 12:06:22 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man
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To: DesScorp
This is series with plot plus explicit content rather explicit content wrapped in fake plot. As an HBO subscirber I'm happy to them put on shows that would be censored on network TV. They also release censored versions for people who want less.

Here is a promo

Tell Me You Love Me aka SexLife ~ New HBO Series Sept 2007
8 posted on 08/20/2007 12:07:01 PM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words)
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To: DesScorp
They have been trending in this direction for years.

After learning the hard way, I block them on our cable whenever my 91-year old mother visits. A few visits back, she was clicking the remote thru the channels and I still don't know what she saw as I wasn't there at the time but it did shock her.

* She doesn't shock easily...when she was 88 she took her "410" shotgun and killed what turned out to be a rabid skunk coming up the back yard.

9 posted on 08/20/2007 12:07:09 PM PDT by capt. norm (Be thankful we're not getting all the government we're paying for.)
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To: AU72

Me too... Didn’t even know she was still around. What a debut. Think I will skip.


10 posted on 08/20/2007 12:07:39 PM PDT by freekitty
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To: DesScorp
...the first episode finds a woman (Sonya Walger) in her 30s masturbating her husband (Adam Scott) to orgasm...

She's only doing to him what HBO did to their entire audience for the last Sopranos episode.

11 posted on 08/20/2007 12:09:37 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh (There are two kinds of people: those who get it, and those who need to.)
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To: DesScorp
Even Jane Alexander — yes, that Jane Alexander, the snow-domed, regally poised 67-year-old former chief of the National Endowment for the Arts — drops trousers for some frisky senior sex

Only one word for this.

Ew.

12 posted on 08/20/2007 12:09:58 PM PDT by Pistolshot (Every woman, who can, should learn to shoot, and carry a gun.)
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To: mewzilla
HBO’s owned by Time Warner, ain’t it? If so, nuff said.

What does it say? Time Warner does great things with the DVD issues of their library classics. They're very culturally aware. More then the other big media giants anyway.
13 posted on 08/20/2007 12:11:12 PM PDT by Borges
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To: capt. norm

>>They have been trending in this direction for years.

After learning the hard way, I block them on our cable whenever my 91-year old mother visits. A few visits back, she was clicking the remote thru the channels and I still don’t know what she saw as I wasn’t there at the time but it did shock her. <<

There are all kinds of stories about mothers parking their kids in front of HBO and finding out the Oz was not about the Wizard of Oz.

Damn good show but too many naked men doing things with or to each other. Line most commonly heard during Oz in my house...

My Wife: Its ok, honey, you can look now.


14 posted on 08/20/2007 12:11:14 PM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words)
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To: DesScorp
Ah, Sonya Walger. She was previously on NBC's "Coupling", which got this write-up from USA Today:

•Coupling (NBC). This comedy (a copy of the BBC hit) about the dating adventures of six thirtysomethings is viewed as a potential breakout hit. But its pilot is raising eyebrows with steamy references to oral sex, "porn buddies" who hide each other's porn stashes and sexual dalliances in public restrooms. NBC says Coupling is already paying off with advertisers: 90% of the commercial time for the show's first season is sold, an NBC spokeswoman says.

So it looks like she's been working up to this porn gig.... Regarding "relevant parts", well, she's got them, but along with a butterface:


15 posted on 08/20/2007 12:11:23 PM PDT by Yossarian (Everyday, somewhere on the globe, somebody is pushing the frontier of stupidity...)
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To: traditional1

>>There’s no outcry from the FCC; they’re too busy building the “Fairness Doctrine” to muzzle talk radio......<<M

Thank the Lord, the Government does not yet control cable TV.


16 posted on 08/20/2007 12:11:52 PM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words)
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To: DesScorp

I don’t think the author knows the definition of masturbation.


17 posted on 08/20/2007 12:12:28 PM PDT by SengirV
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To: Secret Agent Man
"The FCC doesn’t regulate cable TV or pay-per-view tv"

Uh-oh. My bad.

I'll plan on listening to talk radio on cable in the future, I guess....

I guess if Americans want to regulate their viewing of porno on cable TV, they can vote with their remote. Hopefully, their kids will, too.

18 posted on 08/20/2007 12:12:32 PM PDT by traditional1 ( "A liberal is someone who feels a great debt to his fellow man, which debt he proposes to pay off)
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To: gondramB
There are all kinds of stories about mothers parking their kids in front of HBO and finding out the Oz was not about the Wizard of Oz.

Oz was fascinating. But after the first season I just had to tell myself that there was absolutely no reason I should be watching that show.

19 posted on 08/20/2007 12:14:40 PM PDT by Corin Stormhands (I drink coffee for your protection.)
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To: Pistolshot

Only one word for this.

Ew.

20 posted on 08/20/2007 12:15:21 PM PDT by Pistolshot (Every woman, who can, should learn to shoot, and carry a gun.)
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To: andy58-in-nh

well, some bedroom type scenes leave things to imagination. Such as when you see a couple under the covers in a bedroom scene in a movie.

but in this case they are showing a man totally excited??? yes this kind of thing crosses a line. But then it’s HBO and it’s pay cable so they aren’t bound by decency guidelines.


21 posted on 08/20/2007 12:15:28 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: traditional1

The FCC doesn’t have anything to say about cable tv or pay-per-view or what you can buy at the sleezy video store. Nor should it.


22 posted on 08/20/2007 12:15:58 PM PDT by VRWCmember (Fred Thompson 2008! Taking America Back for Conservatives!)
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To: traditional1

“There’s no outcry from the FCC; they’re too busy building the “Fairness Doctrine” to muzzle talk radio......”

I don’t think the FCC has much control over pay-per-view cable.


23 posted on 08/20/2007 12:16:04 PM PDT by SmoothTalker
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To: traditional1

Why would FCC get involved in a pay channel? Do you realize the government that you want in our lives only looks at three main channels...too many if you ask me. I don’t want government in my life or my family at all or as little as possible. My wife and I make the decisions about TV in my house not a government entity. It is a shame that you can’t do the same. It is not too difficult especially for a true conservative. Oh well. I guess some people just need to have the security blanket of government in their lives.


24 posted on 08/20/2007 12:16:12 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Yossarian

Actually, the pilot episode of the US version of Coupling was pretty much the same script as the UK version. The main difference was that the UK version was funny. The actors and their delivery in the US version were just bad. And you just can’t duplicate the UK Jeff, who is probably the only person in the world who could coin a phrase such as “porn buddies” for lack of any better terms and just be funny about it.


25 posted on 08/20/2007 12:16:20 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a Liberal when I married her.)
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To: DesScorp

In retaliation, you have to begin to wonder what Skinemax will do?


26 posted on 08/20/2007 12:16:57 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("Lord, give me chastity and temperance, but not now." - St. Augustine)
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To: napscoordinator

Yep. All of the sudden we’re all about REGULATION from the Government. Go figure.


27 posted on 08/20/2007 12:18:33 PM PDT by Wolfie
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To: AU72
Jane Alexander doing hard core porn on HBO?!

Jane, you ignorant slut....

28 posted on 08/20/2007 12:18:46 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: traditional1

Oops. Sorry about my post although not really directed at you. Sometimes it is difficult to read a post, write something and then get further information down the line.


29 posted on 08/20/2007 12:18:58 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Wolfie

To be fair, the poster changed his tune later down the thread.


30 posted on 08/20/2007 12:19:41 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: DesScorp

Slouching towards Gomorrah , pt VIII

“Even Jane Alexander — yes, that Jane Alexander, the snow-domed, regally poised 67-year-old former chief of the National Endowment for the Arts — drops trousers for some frisky senior sex”

I can’t think of any better response than ...

Jane, you ignorant slut!


31 posted on 08/20/2007 12:23:23 PM PDT by WOSG ( Don't tell me what you are against, tell me what you are FOR.)
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To: VRWCmember
The FCC doesn’t have anything to say about cable tv or pay-per-view or what you can buy at the sleezy video store.

Boy, do they want the internet though...

Since cable and internet are becoming alike, that's one way they could get their hands on it.

32 posted on 08/20/2007 12:23:24 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: Dilbert San Diego

In the absence of truly creative, innovative, and intelligent programming, it seems inevitable that cable outlets like HBO will push the envelope as far as they can in the direction of the lowest common denominator, which often involves sexual themes. Now, I have nothing against sex whatsoever, or even its graphic depiction, but for $180 a year (or whatever it is they now charge), one might reasonably expect something better than the cheap thrills you can get on the Internet for free.


33 posted on 08/20/2007 12:23:28 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh (There are two kinds of people: those who get it, and those who need to.)
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To: Yossarian
Whoops, I guess I can't link to that image... Let's see if this one works:


Sonya "Butterface" Walger: porn actress

34 posted on 08/20/2007 12:23:29 PM PDT by Yossarian (Everyday, somewhere on the globe, somebody is pushing the frontier of stupidity...)
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To: DesScorp
HBO already has plenty of trash, Showtime seems worse from what I read about it.

"RealSex" is absolutely crass and disgusting. That "Taxicab" filth is supposed to be critically acclaimed?

But I'm still waiting for the public outcry after seeing Paris Hilton and Nicole Richie giving people enemas and then watching them poop. Things have gotten bad out there, folks.

35 posted on 08/20/2007 12:23:47 PM PDT by Williams
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To: Wolfie
'The best form of censorship is to turn the channel.' ~ George W. Bush, 2000 debate with Al Gore

He's right. The government has no place in this. If you don't want to see the sex, turn the channel.

36 posted on 08/20/2007 12:24:40 PM PDT by rintense (I'm 4 Thompson!)
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To: Puppage

great minds think alike alert.


37 posted on 08/20/2007 12:25:01 PM PDT by WOSG ( Don't tell me what you are against, tell me what you are FOR.)
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To: DesScorp
I remember watching the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson many years ago, when Gregory Peck was on. They were discussing the recent port trial of John Holmes, when Peck said: "You know, someone once asked me that and I said the day that Laurence Olivier drops his pants on the screen is the day that I will support adult actors, and then I saw the movie The Betsy."

I guess a lot has changed with the Hollywood Old Guard these days.

-PJ

38 posted on 08/20/2007 12:25:30 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Repeal the 17th amendment -- it's the "Fairness Doctrine" for Congress!)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
Ratings equal money. There is no where U.S. mass media, if unrestrained, won’t go in search of a dollar. Jerry Springer proved that.

Its HBO, ratings are not the main factor, but the point of seeking the most money is very true.

That said, considering how HBO makes its money (remember, no commercials, ratings don't mean crap), this is one of the stupidest decisions any exec could make.

39 posted on 08/20/2007 12:28:37 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: napscoordinator
"I guess some people just need to have the security blanket of government in their lives"

Yes; they're called Liberals and/or Socialists.

40 posted on 08/20/2007 12:30:43 PM PDT by traditional1 ( "A liberal is someone who feels a great debt to his fellow man, which debt he proposes to pay off)
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To: traditional1

HBO isn’t a “broadcast” channel....which is why they get to have their “Real Sex” porn series as well, without FCC stepping in.


41 posted on 08/20/2007 12:31:46 PM PDT by ElectricStrawberry (1/27 Wolfhounds...cut in half during the Clinton years.)
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To: rintense
He's right. The government has no place in this. If you don't want to see the sex, turn the channel.

he's right, but there is more to it.

You don't even have to change the channel if it bothers you that much, HBO is a paid premium channel, you can drop the whole network (remember, you actually have to pay to get HBO), if it really bothers folks, vote with the wallet.

42 posted on 08/20/2007 12:32:46 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: traditional1

I voted with my wallet.

Me: We keep getting movie channels that we don’t want.

Sattelite people: Don’t worry those were free weekends promos.

Me: I don’t want them.

Sattelite people: Don’t worry it’s free.

Me: Really, I don’t want them. I don’t want you to give them to me for free.

Sattelite people: I don’t know what you’re complaining about, it’s free.

Me. I don’t care about the money, I don’t want that in my house.

Sattelite people. Well it’s free to all subscribers, if you don’t want to see it, you will have to block the channels.

Me. You’re telling me that I have to read the manual and program my box if I don’t want a channel that I chose not to subscribe to?

Sattelite people. Yes, we send these channels to all of our subscribers during promo weekends.

Me. You mean the only way I can not get the channels is to terminate my subscription?

Sattelite people. Yes.

At least we agreed on how the conversation would end.


43 posted on 08/20/2007 12:34:34 PM PDT by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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To: WOSG
"Jane, you ignorant slut!"

LOL....the ol' SNL classic line. (That's what the mothers of these two goofballs should have greeted them with when they got home....)

44 posted on 08/20/2007 12:35:33 PM PDT by traditional1 ( "A liberal is someone who feels a great debt to his fellow man, which debt he proposes to pay off)
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To: Sonny M
"HBO is a paid premium channel, you can drop the whole network"

I did that a LONG time ago...

45 posted on 08/20/2007 12:38:01 PM PDT by traditional1 ( "A liberal is someone who feels a great debt to his fellow man, which debt he proposes to pay off)
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To: ElectricStrawberry; Williams
"Real Sex" ended up becoming a standard porn vehicle, which is why I stopped watching it after Episode #12 or so.

I hung on because Episode #3 had a magnificent 15 minute segment on a Cherokee sex therapist. He explained Cherokee sexual lore, knowledge and techniques built up over generations. The information I gleaned was put to immediate use and had wonderful repercussions.

Unfortunately, everything after Episode #3 was a waste of time.

46 posted on 08/20/2007 12:38:57 PM PDT by Publius (A = A)
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To: DesScorp
When I first read about this show in the newspaper, I checked wikipedia to see if there was an article on it. There wasn't, so I started one.

If this show becomes a huge hit, then millions of people will read the article that I started!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tell_Me_You_Love_Me

47 posted on 08/20/2007 12:39:19 PM PDT by grundle
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To: DesScorp

The only thing HBO has had for many years that was of any interest to me was “The Sopranos”, and that ended with a whimper, not a bang. I cancelled the day after their finale, snice most of HBO’s other programming is junk and old (not recent)movies.


48 posted on 08/20/2007 12:40:18 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: AU72; DesScorp
Jane Alexander doing hard core porn on HBO?!

I'll pass.

Jane you ignorant slut!

49 posted on 08/20/2007 12:41:11 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Pistolshot

She was a mutt 30 years ago.


50 posted on 08/20/2007 12:41:23 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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