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This quote says it all - "I don't see how you can be antiabortion, be in favor of a constitutional amendment and be in favor of states' rights."
1 posted on 08/26/2007 2:54:40 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Then he is a liar when he says he is a Christian.

As my profile says I used to be a liberal and only became a Christian a few months ago. While I used to sit on the fence on abortion I’m now totally against it.


2 posted on 08/26/2007 2:59:00 PM PDT by proudofthesouth (Liberals work to make people victims in order to enslave them.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

IMHO
Romney is basically saying if a ban on abortion couldn’t be passed, allowing the states to have their own laws regarding the issue the next best thing.

Either way, I’m not voting for him in the primary. This is just my take on his statements.


3 posted on 08/26/2007 3:00:06 PM PDT by barnicus
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

I think Romney is finished after this. He can go back to the Lawrence Welk band. We need some real conservatives.


4 posted on 08/26/2007 3:00:15 PM PDT by nwrep
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Any candidate who favors overturning Roe v. Wade is saying the same thing.


5 posted on 08/26/2007 3:01:49 PM PDT by Wolfie
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I've always assumed that an overthrowing of Roe v Wade would simply see the abortion issue revert back to the states, where it belongs - and once resided.

I'm totally against abortion and would vote against legalizing the procedure in my state. Legalized abortion would likely pass, anyway, as it probably would in most states. Unfortunately, Americans are used to the idea of aborting babies now and wouldn't want to rule out the 'option' of legalized abortion. At least I would have a vote, unlike in the 1973 Supreme Court ruling process that installed abortion-on-demand via judicial fiat on every state and basically swept away the right of states (citizens) to individually decide the issue.

I'm not a fan of Romney and I think he'll fade away soon, but I don't see how this position automatically makes him anathema to conservatives and/or pro-life folks. However, I see how it appears contradictory and how it will probably do him more harm than good. That's the danger in a politician trying to be on both sides of every issue. Romney should have asked John Kerry how well that pose works.

16 posted on 08/26/2007 3:17:29 PM PDT by Jim Scott (Time Heals)
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Someone ask Romney if he now supports the Ronald Reagan GOP platform that recognizes the unborn child as a person, and who is therefore covered by the Fourteenth Amendment.

You can’t logically do that and then say that the states have a right to alienate the God-given unalienable right to life.

Last I saw, he was still trying to take both sides, as is his wont.

That’s why he is tied in such knots. He has no moral core.


19 posted on 08/26/2007 3:27:19 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (States' rights don't trump God-given, unalienable rights...support the Reagan pro-life platform)
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if elected president he would allow individual states to keep abortion legal

This doesn't make a bit of sense. He would "allow" it? As if he'd have a say in the matter. The states don't need the President's permission.

26 posted on 08/26/2007 3:37:27 PM PDT by Sandy
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That is what the title says, but it is flat-out wrong and is contradicted by the content of the article.

30 posted on 08/26/2007 3:45:10 PM PDT by yellowhammer
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Dishonest headline.

Roe vs. Wade managed to be both illegal and antidemocratic at the same time. It’s kind of like punching your car windshield to break the glass. It hurts your hand and it hurts your car. This is not a trade-off; it’s just dumb. Roe v Wade violated the Bill of Rights (10th amendment), so it was illegal. Roe v Wade ignored the expressed will of the people in most states, which was undemocratic. Appointing judges who respect the Constitution and therefore will repeal Roe v Wade is a good idea. It’s also a logical first step.

Many Democrats will oppose appointing those judges, but I think this battle can be won. This will put the ball back in the court of the States. I expect they will rule differently in MA than in AL, This is consistent with both the Constitution and democracy.

If we want to force a common pro-life standard on MA and other liberal states, then we will need a Constitutional amendment. We have a constitutional process for amending the constitution and it’s not easy. It will require great resolve and support across the country to make this change. It is a logical second step.

32 posted on 08/26/2007 3:50:52 PM PDT by ChessExpert (Reagan dismantled the Russian empire of 21 conquered nations)
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Romney never had a chance even without this. No Northern Republican from a state as liberal as Massachusetts would ever have a chance to make it through the primaries as winner...ever! Yes, that include NY.

Not to mention the Bible Belt refusing to vote Mormon whom every Bible believing church across the country will be giving sermons on the reasons Mormonism is classified by every Christian denomination as a Christian cult.

Every little bit that shows him to be a liberal will only be remembered by conservatives and Christians across the South and Midwest. No different for any Republican from liberal states only worse for Romney because of his Religion, and don't get me wrong, this same problem will come out if Obama wins the dem primary. While his past might be allowed to skate through a dem primary it will hit him with devastation in the general election if he really did grow up attending a mosque. Everything matters in a presidential election from your views to the basis for those views, your religion.

The people who show up for Republican primaries are very conservative.......Can somebody name for me the last time a Republican from a Liberal Northern state actually won the primaries, was chosen by those conservative Republicans not to mention went on to actually win the general election??

40 posted on 08/26/2007 4:06:45 PM PDT by Lady Heron
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It would be just as accurate to say:

Presidential Nominee Mitt Romney Promises to Criminalize Abortion

Actually it would be MORE accurate because abortion is already legal.

But that wouldn't make the dishonest point you're trying to fob off, would it?

It has been said that Satan is the father of all lies. You must have Beelzebub's propaganda department on speed dial.

43 posted on 08/26/2007 4:11:44 PM PDT by JCEccles
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As a high-priced "Christian" lobbyist, FRed Thompson sold the lives of the innocent unborn for pocket change.

As a Mormon bishop, Mitt Romney used all his skill and energy to plead for the lives of the innocent unborn.

Only sick, twisted people would fail to understand the significance of that.

137 posted on 08/26/2007 7:02:30 PM PDT by JCEccles
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This quote says it all - "I don't see how you can be antiabortion, be in favor of a constitutional amendment and be in favor of states' rights."
Then you don't have a very good understanding of our constitutional process.
A person can be personally against abortion, but also believe that the constitution should be the final arbiter, not their own personal opinion.
Wow! Just imagine An America with more people like that!

Now as a person well informed about constitutional principles, this individual would understand that Roe v. Wade is a constitutional travesty, and the proper place for deciding abortion law, according to the Constitution in its current form, would be at the state level.

But this personal also would understand that the amendment process allows the constitution to say anything We The People want it to say, and this person may like to see a ban on abortion included in the Constitution. All of this would perfectly follow the disciplined constitutionalist philosophy properly.

 
189 posted on 08/26/2007 7:38:06 PM PDT by counterpunch ("The Democrats are the party of slavery." - Cindy Sheehan)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

What a silly cheap shot this story is.


262 posted on 08/26/2007 8:47:34 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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It should be a states decision...never constitutional fed duty...


269 posted on 08/26/2007 8:59:03 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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Background on James Bopp, Jr.:

James Bopp, Jr., Has Had A Long Distinguished Career Practicing Law And In Public Service. At the law firm of Bopp, Coleson & Bostrom, Bopp’s practice focuses on non-profit corporate and tax law, on campaign finance and election law, on life issues including abortion, and on U.S. Supreme Court practice. His clients have included the National Right to Life Committee, Focus on the Family, Susan B. Anthony List, All Children Matter, Catholic Answers, Christian Broadcasting Network, Gerard Health Foundation, Priests for Life, Traditional Values Coalition, Salem Radio, Vision America, the Christian Coalition, and the Republican parties of Indiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Rhode Island, Texas, and Vermont. He has argued numerous campaign finance cases in defense of pro-life, pro-family, conservative and Republican party groups, including four cases in the U.S. Supreme Court. He also serves as General Counsel for the James Madison Center for Free Speech and is a member of the Republican National Committee. He is a veteran of all levels of government.

This is Saundra typing now. Someone is trying to make something evil out of something good. Same old story.


273 posted on 08/26/2007 9:05:37 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (Romney Rocks!!!)
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>>on Tuesday in an interview with Nevada television station KLAS said that if elected president he would allow individual states to keep abortion legal, the Washington Post reports.<<

There is something odd about that quote/paraprase. Mitt has been asked about abortion hundreds of times - he knows the President can’t legalize it or throw it back to the states. It makes me wonder what his exact words were and if there is some misinterpretation.


275 posted on 08/26/2007 10:13:04 PM PDT by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words)
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I don’t support Mr. Romney, and probably wouldn’t vote for him even if he were the party nominee.

That being said, Mr. Romney appears to be laying out what is actually achievable.

I support passing a constitutional amendment banning abortion.

However, I can also see that we’re not going to get two-thirds of each House of Congress and 38 states to go along with that just yet. If anyone thinks that that result is imminent, let me know. I’d be interested in your reasoning.

Nonetheless, in the next few years, we could see Roe overturned. This would permit states to restrict abortion. Some states would retain abortion on demand in their laws. Other states would range in restricting abortion from a little to a lot. Some states would nearly ban abortion.

It’s from this mixed legal regime that the push for a constitutional amendment will need to arise. When folks see that civilization doesn’t break down in states that virtually ban abortion, more folks in more states will be persuadable to restrict laws further. When it becomes increasingly apparent that the sky will not fall to pass a constitutional amendment pretty much banning abortion, then it will become a political possibility.

298 posted on 08/27/2007 7:11:27 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To have pro-lifers debating whether there should be a constitutional amendment or merely a federalist solution to abortion is really stupid. I can't imagine a bigger waste of time.

The fact is, to get a constitutional amendment, you need THREE QUARTERS of the states to ratify it. That ain't gonna happen, at least not in Romney's lifetime, let alone during his two terms as president. I pray it will happen in my lifetime, though I realize I'll most likely be an old man before it does.

Stop wasting bandwidth on this stupid debate.

328 posted on 08/27/2007 9:54:49 AM PDT by curiosity
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"Presidential Nominee Mitt Romney Promises to Legalize Abortion (article title)"

I was in the mountains for the weekend. When did Romney get to be the "nominee"?

354 posted on 08/27/2007 4:22:05 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Republican DOES NOT equal Conservative!)
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