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"The War" (by Ken Burns) Part 3 of 7; Airing on PBS @ 7PM Central 9-24-07
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Posted on 09/25/2007 4:18:57 PM PDT by VOA

This is a "heads-up" for the airing of "The War", the Ken Burns
(Florentine Films) production on PBS.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bushido; documentary; japan; kenburns; nazis; pbs; politicalcorrectness; thewar; ussr; wot; wwii
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Please see following posts for URL links to the discussion threads for
Part 1 and Part 2 of the seriees.

All commentary regarding personal experience, family tales of WWII,
and critique of how Burns (and PBS) handles topics are welcome.

Hopefully the threads on the seven episodes will serve as
guides when this large documentary becomes required viewing in
high schools.
Comments on how Burns handled the documenatry (positive,
negative, or neutral) will come in handy when "the younger
generation" sees the series. Especially if Burns takes a
"Smithsonian" tact to some topics...leaving people to wonder
"who the good guys were" during the epic struggle.
1 posted on 09/25/2007 4:19:00 PM PDT by VOA
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To: VOA

For discussions on prior parts of “The War”

URL for thread on Part 1
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1901006/posts?page=1

URL for thread on Part 2 (Monday 9-24-07)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1901629/posts


2 posted on 09/25/2007 4:20:04 PM PDT by VOA
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To: VOA

and to check for airing times of “The War” on local PBS stations...

URL to check listing for local PBS stations:
http://www.pbs.org/thewar/broadcast_schedule.htm

DO BE FOREWARNED:
One poster on the West Coast last night said that when they tuned into
their PBS station...SEAN PENN was on the air!

So, maybe put your welder glasses on and turn down the volume in
case your local station is putting somebody like Sean Penn on...”for balance”.

You have been warned!


3 posted on 09/25/2007 4:22:40 PM PDT by VOA
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To: VOA

And how PBS handles it,that sean penn interview prior to, was classic PBS.


4 posted on 09/25/2007 4:25:29 PM PDT by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve,and have served,to keep us free)
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To: VOA

On at leasst some PBS stations, each part of “The War” has been rebroadcast,
i.e., here in Mid-Missouri, Part 1 aired at 7PM Central, then was rebroadcast
at 9PM.

This might help late-arrivers or folks with VCRs.


5 posted on 09/25/2007 4:25:59 PM PDT by VOA
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To: VOA
NASSA: The Old Negro Space Program
6 posted on 09/25/2007 4:27:37 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: mdittmar
And how PBS handles it,that sean penn interview prior to, was classic PBS.

On the evening of 9-11-01, I returned to my apartment in West Los
Angeles, hoping to catch "The Evening Business Report" broadcast
each weeknight on KCET, the PBS superstation in LA.
I wanted to see if the destruction of both WTC towers, the destruction of
part of The Pentagon, and an attack on world travel and commmerce
(stymied as best could be done on Flight 93), was going to simply
melt down the US and/or the world economy.

I got home in time, flip on the TV...
And here's FREAKIN' BILL MOYERS and some nice, low-key guy
(ex-pat from Afghanistan) basically saying "Please, don't nuke
my country".
In other words: America has a second Pearl Harbor..."we at PBS gotta'
make sure the world is safe for Muslims!!!!"

At that moment, I was very happy that I'd never FREELY given PBS
a bloody red cent.

I did have compassion for the ex-pat Afghan. His home country has
been through h-ll and back.

But PBS...never a freely-given cent!!!!!!!!!!
7 posted on 09/25/2007 4:33:27 PM PDT by VOA
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I’ve only seen a couple of Ken Burns doc*s but what i did see i liked the Civil War was a good one i thought and i can’t remember the other one i think it was about a great flood here in the U.S. somewhere ...


8 posted on 09/25/2007 4:34:15 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (In everyday life there is more than meets the eye to reach the depths of truth we must DRAGTHEWATERS)
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“i can’t remember the other one i think it was about a great flood here
in the U.S. somewhere”

If Burns did a documentary on a large US flood, I’m afraid I missed it.

But...maybe you are thinking about the episode “Fatal Flood” on PBS’s
“American Experience” series.
It was a pretty decent documentary; plenty amazing how widespread it was.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/flood/


9 posted on 09/25/2007 4:41:43 PM PDT by VOA
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Especially if Burns takes a "Smithsonian" tact to some topics...leaving people to wonder "who the good guys were" during the epic struggle.

Burns may be a bit PC at times, but imo thusfar the documentary has been both well done and fair. ....and he leaves no doubt whatsoever about who the good guys were. The footage from Guadalcanal was tremendous. Tonight I suspect we'll see some footage of P-51 Mustangs taking on the Luftwaffe while escorting B-17s in their daytime bomb over Germany.

10 posted on 09/25/2007 4:43:34 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo ("Hidin' in a corner ...of New York City, lookin' down a .44 in West Virginy")
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To: Lazarus Longer

bombing raids, that is.


11 posted on 09/25/2007 4:44:15 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo ("Hidin' in a corner ...of New York City, lookin' down a .44 in West Virginy")
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To: VOA

last heads-up bump before Part 3 airs...
but VOA will be back later!


12 posted on 09/25/2007 4:45:37 PM PDT by VOA
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Thanks for the heads up,on a scale of 1-10,how do you rate it so far?

I give it a 9.

My dad was an Aviation Machinists Mate,never talked about it,found that out in a news clip when my Parents were engaged.

13 posted on 09/25/2007 4:46:18 PM PDT by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve,and have served,to keep us free)
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OOPS...let’s do the time-warp again!

Yes, Part 3 is airing tonight, TUESDAY September 25, 2007!!!


14 posted on 09/25/2007 4:47:00 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Lazarus Longer

What amazes me is anyone who understands what the hell WWII was about should be extra supportive of fighting islamo facism today. Sure the names change, the methods, but it’s the same kind of evil.


15 posted on 09/25/2007 4:48:22 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Admin Moderator

Sorry to bother you...IF you can do it AND have time, please correct my
typo on the date of the title for this thread! AS VOA GOOFED and didn’t
put the proper date of 9-25-07 in the title!
If you can fix it without too much bother...
Thanks In Advance!

Thread Title should read:

“The War” (by Ken Burns) Part 3 of 7; Airing on PBS @ 7PM Central 9-25-07


16 posted on 09/25/2007 4:50:56 PM PDT by VOA
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Sean Peeinn.

Wasn’t his daddy involved with subversives in the 1940s, and a strong supporter of the murderous Joseph Stalin?

Just curious.

By the way....Eff U Sean Penn!


17 posted on 09/25/2007 4:54:56 PM PDT by Radix (When I became a man, I put away childish things!)
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To: Names Ash Housewares
I'm convinced most of the people you're referring to are so blinded by partisanship and (unfounded) hatred for the President and the GOP they're incapable of seeing the Islamofascist evil for what it is. ...and therefore aren't supporting the present war. I'd be willing to bet the farm if the current President were a Democrat and were fighting the WOT in the exact same manner as President Bush almost every last one of them would support it. They appear incapable of supporting the efforts of a GOP President under any circumstances.
18 posted on 09/25/2007 4:58:19 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo ("Hidin' in a corner ...of New York City, lookin' down a .44 in West Virginy")
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To: mdittmar

“My dad was an Aviation Machinists Mate,never talked about it,...”

You do have to pry the past/truth out of some of The Greatest Generation,
that is for sure.

Sometimes, I think it is just innate modesty, not wanting to stand out
too much from “the other guy”.

Sometimes, I think it’s from religional training (and I’m NOT bashing
religional/moral sentiment). You do hear in “The War” and other documentaries
how some recruits had to get over a general church-born ethos about
“Thou Shalt Not Kill” and get their heads wrapped around
“Thou Shalt Not MURDER” as the more accurate bit of theology.
I do really like the old “Sergeant York” for how it dealt with this
dilemma, albeit in WWI.

Also, I suspect some of the returning veterans weren’t ready to tell their
small children and wives what “the real deal” was during their service.

Too bad some President or other moral figure (Billy Graham?) didn’t
tell them: Set a date when you are going to come clean with your loved ones.
(Provided the veteran thought that s/he and the family could handle the
stress of the mental imagery)

Maybe when all your children have been married at least 10 years.
Or when you want to make sure they do their duty...and don’t repeat
some of your “wrong turns”.


19 posted on 09/25/2007 5:00:11 PM PDT by VOA
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

The Civil War was without a doubt the best documentary on that war I have ever seen.


20 posted on 09/25/2007 5:02:17 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: VOA

I’ll be watching. Dad entered the army in the fall of 1943. Served in New Guinea and Luzon. 760th FA BN - attached to the 191st HQ. He took part in of the occupation of Japan.

Funny, my son is stationed in Japan now.


21 posted on 09/25/2007 5:02:18 PM PDT by sneakers (This Pennsylvania gal supports DUNCAN HUNTER for President!)
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To: VOA

Bloddy Tarawa first up. God forbid we ever get casualties like that battle again.


22 posted on 09/25/2007 5:03:26 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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Here in Chicago, we’re getting the MILWAUKEE PBS station starting at 7 and 9central, Chicago on WTTW starts at 8 with replay starting at 10pm...just in case you’re watching baseball or recording DAMAGES on FX. I’m DVR them all and will watch them all at once...like a Band of Brothers marathon.


23 posted on 09/25/2007 5:03:38 PM PDT by GRRRRR (The Libtards are spoiling for a big fight!)
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To: Lazarus Longer

“I’m convinced most of the people you’re referring to are so blinded by
partisanship and (unfounded) hatred for the President and the GOP they’re
incapable of seeing the Islamofascist evil for what it is. ...”

And they were probably cheering on The “President of Iran” today during
his speech portraying the USA as the sourc of evil for the last sixty years.

Gawd, I hate to even think some Americans are committed to that sort of thought.

But I guess we’ve got to accept it as part of a “pluralistic” society.


24 posted on 09/25/2007 5:03:46 PM PDT by VOA
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“Fatal Flood” on PBS’s
“American Experience” series.

Yea that was it thank you i forgot the name i learned alot watching that i just don’t remember titles very well ...


25 posted on 09/25/2007 5:05:13 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (In everyday life there is more than meets the eye to reach the depths of truth we must DRAGTHEWATERS)
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War is Hell.....I suppose that’s why many won’t talk. My father never said a word. My father-in-law finally said a FEW words a couple of years ago. I often wonder if it affected their fathering abilities....since they both were uncommunicative and very distant fathers.


26 posted on 09/25/2007 5:06:23 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Being Challenged Builds Character! Being Coddled Destroys Character!)
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To: mware

RE: first publication of dead American soldiers in Life Magazine
after 21(?) months at war

Anybody who lives near any sort of major research (university) library should
schedule in AT LEAST a couple of hours to find the bound volumes of
Life Magazine for the WWII years.

The advertizements are GREAT...total dedication to winning, give up
your seat on the train so a soldier in transit can rest, etc., etc.....


27 posted on 09/25/2007 5:07:06 PM PDT by VOA
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According to my local TV listings (Texas—Central Time), the program begins at 8 pm not 7 pm.


28 posted on 09/25/2007 5:11:32 PM PDT by freedom4me ("Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom."--Ben Franklin)
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To: goodnesswins

“War is Hell.....I suppose that’s why many won’t talk. My father never
said a word. My father-in-law finally said a FEW words a couple of years ago.”

You’ve probably hit on a major reason of the silence.

The 101st Airborne guy in my church...I had NO clue that he’d even been
in the military while I attended the same church for at least five years.

AFAIK, he made no public comment until Gulf War I when he gave sort
of a local morale talk to the local troops mobilized and headed to
the Gulf.


29 posted on 09/25/2007 5:12:11 PM PDT by VOA
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Ward Chamberlain,, I wonder if he is related to this Chamberland.

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30 posted on 09/25/2007 5:13:34 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: freedom4me

“According to my local TV listings (Texas—Central Time), the program
begins at 8 pm not 7 pm.”

Besides usually being a TV version of The NY Times and Pravda, the PBS
system is a fairly uncoordinated (SCREWED-UP!) mess.

Here in Mid-Missouri, one SOME nights, programs that air on the PBS station
in Sedalia air one hour later on the PBS station located in St. Louis.

Of course, for one or two series, I take advantage of this...but
it’s “no way to run a railroad!”.
Or a network that depends on OUR Confiscated Tax Dollars!!!


31 posted on 09/25/2007 5:16:41 PM PDT by VOA
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To: VOA
VOA, I was doing some research last year for a FReeper whose dad was in one of Life Magazine's editions during WW2..

The library I went to has them all in bound volumes.

The librarian told me some of the individual editions are worth more than $100.

32 posted on 09/25/2007 5:16:44 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: martin_fierro

That is one of the funniest parodies I have ever seen. Pure genius!


33 posted on 09/25/2007 5:19:27 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed ("We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts; I support them, I won't chip away at them" -Mitt Romney)
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34 posted on 09/25/2007 5:23:56 PM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (In everyday life there is more than meets the eye to reach the depths of truth we must DRAGTHEWATERS)
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To: mware

“With The Marines At Tarawa”

Hmm...I need to research that a bit.

I always remember the message some Marine sent back to ship during an
extremely harrowing landing:
“The issue is in doubt”


35 posted on 09/25/2007 5:31:35 PM PDT by VOA
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Who is doing the narrating?
36 posted on 09/25/2007 5:33:45 PM PDT by angcat ("IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM")
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To: VOA

All right...time to “Go For Broke”


37 posted on 09/25/2007 5:34:25 PM PDT by VOA
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To: VOA

I’m recording every segment for later viewing.


38 posted on 09/25/2007 5:35:27 PM PDT by Dysart
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To: angcat

from the PBS website for “The War”,

“Narrated by KEITH DAVID with TOM HANKS, JOSH LUCAS,
BOBBY CANNAVALE, SAMUEL L. JACKSON, ELI WALLACH, among others;”

I thought I recognized Keith David, he’s got “great pipes” and does
narration for a fair number of documentaries.

Watching Burns shows is sort of a game to see if you can recognize
“celebrity” voice-overs.
Of course Tom Hanks as the voice of the news reporter in Minnesota
was a cinch.
And Eli Wallach as the rich California farmer with relatives caught
in The Phillipines was pretty easy.

But, for some of the “voice-overs”, I’ve not been able to peg them yet.

If Samuel L. Jackson actually lent his voice to “The War”, I’m suprised
he wasn’t cursing a blue-streak during the Pearl Harbor sequences.
(Maybe he did and I missed it)


39 posted on 09/25/2007 5:41:30 PM PDT by VOA
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Keith David has a very familiar voice. Thanks for the great info!


40 posted on 09/25/2007 5:43:10 PM PDT by angcat ("IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM")
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Only bad girls go to New York.

Great line from the mother to the daughter in Waterbury, CT.
41 posted on 09/25/2007 5:47:26 PM PDT by VOA
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Italy in the spring. My dad got trench foot so bad, they considered taking off his feet. Thank God for pencillin, which was being used for infections, it saved his feet.


42 posted on 09/25/2007 5:53:25 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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They might talk about Normandy tonight. The same day that our troops landed there, the 5th army took Rome.


43 posted on 09/25/2007 5:55:13 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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“Italy in the spring.”

I got to hear a bit about Anzio from an organic chemistry prof. during grad. school.

He talked about how he’d visit a neighboring fox-hole just to break the
tension...return to his foxhole/dugout...and in a minute or two his friends
would vanish in a direct hit.

Not the sort of story you get out profs that were draft age during Vietnam.
I don’t think I ever met a tenured prof from that era who’d done a hitch.


44 posted on 09/25/2007 6:04:07 PM PDT by VOA
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My dad was at Cassino. He spoke with respect of the german soldiers who were at Cassino.


45 posted on 09/25/2007 6:05:59 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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To: VOA

Too much attention paid to the status of Japanese and Black Americans During the war. Yes of course, it was horrendous and shameful in retrospect; but somehow it seems out of place and jarring in this Documentary.

The treatment of minorities during WWII may have been best left to a Doc dedicated that to that subject alone. Maybe not—I don’t know.

Overall, the more I watch, the more I think it doesn’t quite congeal. He’s trying to do too much — oscillating between war theaters and the conditions at home.


46 posted on 09/25/2007 6:07:46 PM PDT by Interious
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To: angcat

As for the voices of “The War”, that Katherine Phillips (of Mobile, AL)...
I think she’s about as close to Shelby Foote (of “The Civil War”) as
we’re gonna’ get during this series.


47 posted on 09/25/2007 6:09:31 PM PDT by VOA
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My son called me about 15 mins ago and said Ma- you want to know what war’s like- turn this on...

I can’t believe I didn’t know it was on..but I knew FR would have a thread..

Has it been this good all night?


48 posted on 09/25/2007 6:09:45 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: SE Mom

Wow cool cartoon about changing bacon fat to glycerin.


49 posted on 09/25/2007 6:12:57 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear..on this good earth... I bid you stand! Men of the West!)
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Amazing, isn’t it...

My mom used to tell me about rationing- and how ONCE in a blue moon they would get a little real butter...it was like winning the lotto...and they gave all their iron beds too..

What a country!


50 posted on 09/25/2007 6:15:19 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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