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Navarrette: Hispanics aren't going anywhere
CNN ^ | 2007-9-27 | Navarrette

Posted on 09/27/2007 9:59:58 AM PDT by kbingham

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To: kbingham
There are more than 44 million Hispanics in the United States

Far more, if illegal aliens are counted. Perhaps 30-40 million more.

Why such naked aggression? 1) Because it's clear we're finally taking a stand and he's putting up his dukes, or 2) because he thinks Americans are on the ropes?

Answer: '2'

He knows deporting dozens of millions of people isn't going to happen, and also knows that the Hispanic birth rate outdistances all others by a country mile. That combo spells a permanent demographic shift. And since many Hispanics are reticent to give up their third-world ways and attitudes, the future doesn't look pretty..

21 posted on 09/27/2007 10:23:29 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo ("Hidin' in a corner ...of New York City, lookin' down a .44 in West Virginy")
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To: Lazarus Longer

America is not on the ropes, FRiend.


22 posted on 09/27/2007 10:25:26 AM PDT by From One - Many (Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk. I Will Be Voting for Mr. Duncan Hunter, fellow FReepers.)
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To: massgopguy

Yep. Every time I hear about our STEALING the Southwest from the Mexicans, my answer is always the same.

“So Monctezuma’s first language was Spanish, then?”


23 posted on 09/27/2007 10:26:51 AM PDT by Right Cal Gal (Remember Billy Dale!!!)
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To: donna

“By the way, the population of Arizona in 1900 was 122,931.”

I’ve read that at the time of the Mexican War, there were about 35,000 Anglos, a few thousand Apaches and Comanches, and 4,000 Mexicans living in what is now Texas. Mexico made all these claims to enormous areas in the West, but never really had many Mexicans living there.

I bet that population of 1900 Arizona was 80% Anglo. It’d be interesting to have those population figures for the entire area at the time of the Mexican War and the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo in 1848. In those days the land went to those who lived there, not those who claimed it from hundreds or thousands of miles away.


24 posted on 09/27/2007 10:29:21 AM PDT by Will88
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To: kbingham
In Arizona, Texas and New Mexico, you'll find families whose roots go back five or six generations. These people never crossed a border, and yet many of them are treated as if they came across last week because of skin color or the language they speak.

How on earth can five or six generations of people live in a country with a dominant language and still not speak it. Why on earth would you want to put yourself at that disadvantage?

It has actually been my experience that legal immigrants can barely speak Spanish within one generation.
25 posted on 09/27/2007 10:29:21 AM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: kbingham
This is why the argument that our side sometimes uses about how said group is "ruining our culture" and "creating a crime wave" will NOT win, as both people of color and moderate whites see these as "intolerance." In order for us to win the argument, we need to take culture out of it and emphasize the economic costs and legal ramifications (undermining of the rule of law).

Whether you like it or not, even if we deported every illegal tomorrow, we are still going to have millions and millions of Latinos among us. Let's can it on the "culture war" crap and emphasize law enforcement/economic costs.

And even after we finally start enforcing our immigration laws, and you still thing there are "too many hispanics" in your area, may I suggest West Virginia, eastern North Dakota, or northern Maine?

26 posted on 09/27/2007 10:30:34 AM PDT by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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To: kbingham

Columns such as this certainly do not promote a favorable view of illegal immigrants. In fact it tends to make me want to see them FORCIBLY DEPORTED.


27 posted on 09/27/2007 10:31:15 AM PDT by Hacklehead (I'm not here to make friends.)
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To: Will88
And where will they go next to escape?

Canada!!

[Windsor, Ontario] Mayor Francis asks the feds for help to deal with influx of Mexicans
September 19, 2007

"When there is a possibility of adding thousands to the local social assistance system as a result of refugee claimants crossing the border into Windsor, we will become overwhelmed and our current resources will not suffice," Francis wrote in a letter sent Wednesday to Prime Minister Stephen Harper.

"The fact someone wants to come here for better economic opportunity or a better quality of life ... that's no basis for a successful refugee claim," said Immigration Refugee Board (IRB) spokesman Charles Hawkins.

Jacquie Rumiel, director of programs for new Canadians at the YMCA, where refugee claimants are referred by Windsor's border guards, said the new people she's seeing are "mostly" Mexicans coming from Florida.

To be successful, refugee claimants must prove they are fleeing persecution at home, something most of the Mexicans arriving in Windsor would be hard-pressed to do. The IRB's Hawkins said there was only a 13 per cent acceptance rate of refugee claims filed by Mexican nationals during the first six months of the year, compared to an overall rate of 47 per cent.

SNIP

28 posted on 09/27/2007 10:31:39 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: the_devils_advocate_666

He is an educated racist who pretends he is somehow above it all.


29 posted on 09/27/2007 10:32:28 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: DustyMoment
"Let’s look at this differently. Mexicans are crossing into the US illegally in droves to escape . . . . well, Mexico. Once here, however, they tell us that Mexico is the greatest place ever (if they would just get rid of all those Mexicans!). Then, they proceed to try to force the US to cater to their demands and re-formulate the US to be more like Mexico - the place they all left.

So, here’s the point. If they succeed in the Mexicanization of the US, where will we all go to escape “Amexico”??

The invasion must be stopped and stopped now. The illegals must be deported and sent back home. I’m tired of subsidizing them and can no longer afford them."

I agree you have the right idea. Unfortunately, your description of the Mexicans coming here mirrors the Mass. Democrats spreading out into NH, hoping to escape the onerous taxes and liberal policies. All they've done is turn NH into a budding Mass., changing it into what they tried to escape. They can't be "deported" and returned to Mass., but we have every right to return the illegals to Mexico. Only if we don't hurry and close the border and deport them, they will do the same thing to America as is happening to NH.

30 posted on 09/27/2007 10:32:46 AM PDT by penowa
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To: Clemenza
None I know here has a problem with legals....it is the illegals.....legals vs illegals.....I’ll take legals every time because they truly want to be here and do not have an agenda except to be here to become Americans. Legal vs Illegal is the only question, as far as I am concerned.
31 posted on 09/27/2007 10:33:52 AM PDT by From One - Many (Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk. I Will Be Voting for Mr. Duncan Hunter, fellow FReepers.)
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To: DustyMoment

Absolutely! In addition all this multicultural crap needs to stop it is part of what is destroying this country. We can not be all things to all people yet be strong and united.


32 posted on 09/27/2007 10:35:20 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: Right Cal Gal

So Monctezuma’s first language was Spanish, then?”
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Good line!


33 posted on 09/27/2007 10:35:55 AM PDT by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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To: kbingham

“There are more than 44 million Hispanics in the United States...”

We’re only concerned about the 20+ million illegals.

Take a chill pill there amigo.


34 posted on 09/27/2007 10:35:59 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: Badeye

Yeah, the question becomes: are they ‘our’ Hispanics or are they ‘their’ Hispanics? There’s NO middle ground.


35 posted on 09/27/2007 10:40:21 AM PDT by Unknowing (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.)
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To: kbingham
because of skin color or the language they speak.

Does this little Mexi-Klansman mean to tell us that he knows people whose families have been here five or six generations and they still don't speak English?

Throw them the #$%&@! out too.

36 posted on 09/27/2007 10:43:02 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: Hacklehead

Deportation is futile without a wall. (And even with a wall, there are always ladders and tunnels - four of which have been located in Arizone since June.)


37 posted on 09/27/2007 10:43:17 AM PDT by yorkie
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To: kbingham

Navarrette is an illegal loving shill, nothing he writes has any value.


38 posted on 09/27/2007 10:43:26 AM PDT by Anonymous Rex ( For Rent)
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To: Hacklehead

Some pertinent data to this thread.
In 2006, 173,753 Mexicans obtained legal Permanent Resident Status in the United States. That is by far the most new legal residents from any nation on earth.
http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/yearbook/2006/table03d.xls

Additionally, 83,979 persons from Mexico became Naturalized American citizens in 2006. Again, that is by far the most from any nation on earth.
http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/yearbook/2006/Table21D.xls


39 posted on 09/27/2007 10:43:48 AM PDT by jamese777
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To: Unknowing
There’s NO middle ground.

You are correct because there can be no middle ground when one is Legal, and the other is Illegal.

40 posted on 09/27/2007 10:45:09 AM PDT by From One - Many (Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk. I Will Be Voting for Mr. Duncan Hunter, fellow FReepers.)
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