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Republican Debate #7 Baltimore, MD 09/27/07 - Brownback, Huckabee, Hunter, Keyes, Paul, Tancredo

Posted on 09/27/2007 5:26:47 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture

Republican Presidential Candidate Debate #7 – Baltimore, Maryland 09/27/07 - Official Discussion Thread

All-American Presidential Forum on PBS
Morgan State University, Baltimore, Maryland
September 27, 2007, 9:00 pm-10:30 pm ET (check your local PBS listings)
Moderated by Tavis Smiley.

Candidates participating:

Journalists involved...



TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: alankeyes; baltimore; bottomtier; brownback; debate; debate2007; duncanhunter; elections2008; gopdebate; gopdebates; gopnomineenothere; hunter; keyes; maryland; mikehuckabee; paul; paulestinians; pbs; presidentialdebate; republican; republicandebate; ronpaul; sambrownback; smiley; tancredo; tavis; tavissmiley; theseguyswillnotwin; tomtancredo; wasteoftime; yawn
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PBS broadcasts vary in different markets.

Supposedly a live webcast is offered at pbs.org (direct link?)

1 posted on 09/27/2007 5:26:49 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture
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Previous debate threads:

GOP Debate #6 thread: Republican Presidential Candidate Debate #6 – Fort Lauderdale, Florida 09/17/07 - Official Discussion Thread

GOP Debate #5 thread: Republican Presidential Candidate Debate #5 – Durham, New Hampshire 09/05/07 - Official Discussion Thread

GOP Debate #4 thread: Republican Presidential Candidate Debate #4 - Des Moines, Iowa 08/05/07 - Official Discussion Thread

GOP Debate #3 thread: Republican Presidential Candidate Debate #3 - Manchester, NH 06/05/07 - Official Discussion Thread

GOP Debate #2 thread: Republican Presidential Candidate Debate #2 - Columbia, SC 05/15/07 - Official Discussion Thread

GOP Debate #1 thread: Republican Presidential Candidate Debate #1~ Reagan Library 05/03/07 - Official Discussion Thread

2 posted on 09/27/2007 5:27:32 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture
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To: CounterCounterCulture

This can’t be easy for Duncan Hunter, he may not have the numbers but he really shouldn’t be stuck with this crowd.


3 posted on 09/27/2007 5:29:29 PM PDT by ansel12 (Proud father of a 10th Mountain veteran. Proud son of a WWII vet. Proud brother of vets.)
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To: ansel12

Stuck with this crowd? This crowd is probably more conservative then the crowd that isn’t here,unless you consider McCain,Giuliani,Romney and Paul as more conservative.As for Thompson he hasn’t been with ANY crowd yet !!!


4 posted on 09/27/2007 5:36:10 PM PDT by Obie Wan
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To: Obie Wan

“”Stuck with this crowd? This crowd is probably more conservative then the crowd that isn’t here,””

My Saturday night beer drinking group is to the right of the whole stage, but I wouldn’t want my Representative that I respect ( which is Duncan)to have to debate us all as we fought for the bottom of the 2 per centers.


5 posted on 09/27/2007 5:41:36 PM PDT by ansel12 (Proud father of a 10th Mountain veteran. Proud son of a WWII vet. Proud brother of vets.)
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To: ansel12

Well MY Saturday night beer drinking group would give him a damn good debate. You guys just can’t handle your booze that’s all !!!


6 posted on 09/27/2007 5:44:40 PM PDT by Obie Wan
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To: CounterCounterCulture

..DH will be facing the toughest audience to date—a group of Marxists


7 posted on 09/27/2007 5:47:40 PM PDT by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: CounterCounterCulture
I can't stick around for the inevitable swarm... so, if everyone doesn't mind a little historical perspective first:


8 posted on 09/27/2007 5:50:57 PM PDT by drpix
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To: Obie Wan

Just think before 1920 our Saturday night guys would be choosing the candidates, and tonights debaters would be seen as mostly moderates compared to what else would be in the race.


9 posted on 09/27/2007 5:51:10 PM PDT by ansel12 (Proud father of a 10th Mountain veteran. Proud son of a WWII vet. Proud brother of vets.)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

Give ‘em hell, Duncan!

(I mean the “journalists.”)


10 posted on 09/27/2007 5:53:57 PM PDT by jmyrlefuller
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To: CounterCounterCulture

BTTT


11 posted on 09/27/2007 5:54:21 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( Vote for Duncan Hunter in the Primaries for America's sake!)
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To: CounterCounterCulture
I have 48 minutes in the pool for how long into the "debate" before the name Bill O'Reilly is mentioned in an effort to get the candidates to denounce him and his recent "racist comments".

I think those lucky enough to have 5 minutes or less are looking pretty good.

12 posted on 09/27/2007 5:56:53 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: ansel12

In truth this won’t be a widely viewed debate,however it could be one of the better ones and I’m going to tune in at least for a while. I like the idea that Hunter and Tancreado might actually get a chance to say something,which they didn’t get in the previous debates !!!


13 posted on 09/27/2007 5:57:16 PM PDT by Obie Wan
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To: CounterCounterCulture

Should we call this the “Also Ran” debate??


14 posted on 09/27/2007 5:59:03 PM PDT by tcrlaf (You can lead a Liberal to LOGIC, but you can't make it THINK)
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To: All

Go to my direct link and click WATCH NOW.


15 posted on 09/27/2007 6:01:22 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture
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To: ansel12
This is just another second tier debate. It’s unfortunate, I would like to see a debate with all of the frontrunner's and Hunter. The rest should hang up their hats IMO.
16 posted on 09/27/2007 6:03:01 PM PDT by chaos_5 (... I'm just another angry white male ...)
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Tom Joyner welcoming us to the event. My dear friend and collegue Tavis Smiley. I salute each of you participating. We may not agree on all the issues, but of an evening like this. Whether you’re pro-life or pro-choice, for the war in Iraq or against, for Kanye West or 50 Cent... (snicker)


17 posted on 09/27/2007 6:03:38 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture
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Joyner talks of Jena. (sigh)


18 posted on 09/27/2007 6:04:46 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture
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To: CounterCounterCulture

“Joyner talks of Jena. (sigh)”

Bravo Sierra!


19 posted on 09/27/2007 6:06:55 PM PDT by Califreak (Go Hunter!)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

What a complete waste of time.


20 posted on 09/27/2007 6:07:50 PM PDT by mimaw
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Race and minority “hangups” are held by the MSM and Democrats, who will probably lump ALL of the GOP contenders into the category of “racist” simply because the frontrunners didn’t attend.

They will do this regardless of the GOP’s sentiments of “We’re all Americans”.

If candidates speak to certain groups, I don’t consider it to be pandering unless they make promises to certain individuals based on whatever their group is. In other words, tailor their speech to fit each group.

I don’t see Hunter doing this. His message and actions always seem to be the same. I don’t know enough about the others to say that about them though.

The second tiers who are attending could use the exposure, IMHO.


21 posted on 09/27/2007 6:08:31 PM PDT by Califreak (Go Hunter!)
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To: chaos_5

Agreed. This field needs to be cut in about half.

Brownback has been in this race for far too long. Tancredo, I like you, but between you and Hunter, you’re too much alike, and I personally like Hunter better. Besides, we need types like you in Congress anyway. Keyes? Go eat a sandwich. Paul, if you want to continue your campaign, call the Libertarians or the Constitution Party. Cox? You can’t even get elected dogcatcher.

That leaves us with Giuliani, McCain, Romney, Thompson, Huckabee, and Hunter. Then let the games begin.


22 posted on 09/27/2007 6:08:46 PM PDT by jmyrlefuller
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Joyner: Let’s give it up for those who are here... introduces Tavis Smiley.

Smiley: multi-cultural, multi-racial, multi-diversial, yada yada... a nation lives as good as its promise. Pimps Cornel West’s book... screenshot of Cornel in the audience. Tavis was in Little Rock for the 50-yr anniversary... please welcome two of the Little Rock 9.

(Well, one of these days we’ll get to the debate)


23 posted on 09/27/2007 6:09:11 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture
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To: Obie Wan

“In truth this won’t be a widely viewed debate,however it could be one of the better ones and I’m going to tune in at least for a while. “


I hadn’t thought of that, but this may be a very interesting debate, maybe even a little explosive.

It is getting close to crunch time, Keyes is in the mix, and they are all probably looking for make or break moments.

With this list of candidates, and the expected audience, we may just see the gloves come off and every body get to the real meat of everything quickly, and then stay there.

You talked me into watching this one.


24 posted on 09/27/2007 6:09:23 PM PDT by ansel12 (Proud father of a 10th Mountain veteran. Proud son of a WWII vet. Proud brother of vets.)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

When is Fred gonna come out and play?


25 posted on 09/27/2007 6:10:02 PM PDT by DeusExMachina05 (I will not go into Dhimmitude quietly.)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

These people are incredibly full of themselves. It’s all about them.


26 posted on 09/27/2007 6:11:54 PM PDT by txrangerette (Congressman Duncan Hunter for POTUS...check him out!!)
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To: jmyrlefuller
That leaves us with Giuliani, McCain, Romney, Thompson, Huckabee, and Hunter. Then let the games begin.

Agreed. I do wish they did come to this forum. I'm watching it on the web, and so far, it's quite interesting.

27 posted on 09/27/2007 6:12:03 PM PDT by chaos_5 (... I'm just another angry white male ...)
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To: jmyrlefuller
That leaves us with Giuliani, McCain, Romney, Thompson, Huckabee, and Hunter. Then let the games begin.

Agreed. I do wish they did come to this forum. I'm watching it on the web, and so far, it's quite interesting.

28 posted on 09/27/2007 6:12:07 PM PDT by chaos_5 (... I'm just another angry white male ...)
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To: txrangerette

I’m just waiting for Jackson & Sharpton.. LOL!


29 posted on 09/27/2007 6:12:31 PM PDT by Califreak (Go Hunter!)
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Michael Steele introduced.

Steele: each of us has a public duty to be engaged in ideas. Talks of Eisenhower (segregation not of the ideals of America). We have an opportunity to change the course of a nation.

introduces: Huckabee, Paul, Brownback, Tancredo, Hunter, and Keyes.


30 posted on 09/27/2007 6:12:56 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture
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To: chaos_5
This is just another second tier debate. It’s unfortunate, I would like to see a debate with all of the frontrunner's and Hunter. The rest should hang up their hats IMO.

BS. This is an exercise in humiliation and ridicule for those who attend. The Reps should have boycotted this obvious Dem kangaroo trial. Tavis Smiley and Tom Joyner are Dem operatives. The crowd will groan or sneer as the Reps there do their best to pander. This will help reinforce the black audience that the Reps are bigots and racists. Ron Paul will be their boy because he will feed their "get out of Iraq" desires.

31 posted on 09/27/2007 6:13:02 PM PDT by kabar
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To: ansel12

“This can’t be easy for Duncan Hunter, he may not have the numbers but he really shouldn’t be stuck with this crowd.”

It is BECAUSE of his numbers that he’s stuck with this crowd.


32 posted on 09/27/2007 6:13:34 PM PDT by Grunthor (If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague.)
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To: Grunthor

Huckabee starts the apologies and pandering.


33 posted on 09/27/2007 6:14:35 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

Brownback now criticizes those who aren’t there. What a jerk.


34 posted on 09/27/2007 6:16:22 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
Brownback now criticizes those who aren’t there.

From a man who shouldn't be there... kind of ironic if you think about it.

35 posted on 09/27/2007 6:17:42 PM PDT by jmyrlefuller
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It looks like they’re going to give ALL of the candidates a chance to speak-I like that!


36 posted on 09/27/2007 6:17:54 PM PDT by Califreak (Go Hunter!)
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To: CounterCounterCulture

The big 3 are ducking the debate?


37 posted on 09/27/2007 6:18:25 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: kabar

Well, thats just plain sad. I would hope we were able to move beyond such low brow tactics.


38 posted on 09/27/2007 6:18:35 PM PDT by chaos_5 (... I'm just another angry white male ...)
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To: jmyrlefuller

Yep. Totally gratuitous stuff. They shouldn’t be going before an obvious hostile audience and criticize their fellow Reps who didn’t attend.


39 posted on 09/27/2007 6:19:41 PM PDT by kabar
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To: CounterCounterCulture; pissant; Sun; RasterMaster

The supporters of other candidates are bitter because there candidate didn’t bother to attend.


40 posted on 09/27/2007 6:20:32 PM PDT by Pinkbell (Duncan Hunter 2008 - Protecting and Restoring America)
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Q: why did you choose to be here tonight and what of those who didn’t show.

Huckabee: I’m embarrassed for our party (re: those not showing). We have a long way to go. I’m honored to be here. I wished all the candidates had come.

Paul: I’m here because I was invited. I like to talk about freedom and the constitution. The purpose of the govt is to protect life and liberty, protect the fruits of your labor. Not policing the world but taking care of the people at home.

Brownback: I apologize for the candidate that aren’t here. It’s a disgrace. Expand the base, not narrow. I’m sorry to you. Register Republican and vote for one of the six of us.

Tancredo: I made a commitment on your (Tavis’) show. I was the only Republican who showed up at the NAACP event. The promise of America drives me.

Hunter: when family members don’t show at a reunion, we talk about them (laughter). How we leave Iraq in victory. Border on fire with massive narcotics and people traficking. Talks of his 6 year old grandson.

Keyes: defends absent colleagues (tongue in cheek?), who didn’t show up at the Values Voters debate either. Keyes is barred from debate in Michigan.


41 posted on 09/27/2007 6:21:29 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture
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To: Pinkbell

I predict that Ron Paul will be the big favorite of the audience. Hunter will not be doing himself any good.


42 posted on 09/27/2007 6:21:30 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Obie Wan
This crowd is probably more conservative then the crowd that isn’t here

Could be but it is a meaningless "debate". What we need is a real debate amongst the top tier candidates. let the bottom dwellers have their "debate". Whatever.

43 posted on 09/27/2007 6:22:21 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Grunthor

“It is BECAUSE of his numbers that he’s stuck with this crowd”

I know, it wasn’t a very clear statement by me, I was just expressing a sense of sadness at it all.


44 posted on 09/27/2007 6:22:25 PM PDT by ansel12 (Proud father of a 10th Mountain veteran. Proud son of a WWII vet. Proud brother of vets.)
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To: plain talk

Start the when did you stop beating your wife questions. Let the pandering begin.


45 posted on 09/27/2007 6:23:46 PM PDT by kabar
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To: ansel12
This can’t be easy for Duncan Hunter, he may not have the numbers but he really shouldn’t be stuck with this crowd.

Think again. Duncan/Tanc/Paul will all do well on the illegals issue. I believe that the new jobs increase that was just reported is due to so many illegals going back to South America and to Central America and Mexico. It has created many thousands of jobs for American citizens who took those jobs we were told that "Americans just don't want". And blacks have suffered more than anyone else from the competition of low wages paid to illegals and the Spanish-only workplaces.
46 posted on 09/27/2007 6:23:56 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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To: plain talk

So don’t ok. Go vote for Fred Thompson,you’ll feel better !!!


47 posted on 09/27/2007 6:24:10 PM PDT by Obie Wan
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To: kabar

He’ll win the after debate straw polls I am sure, and he seems to have brought a vocal group of supporters again.


48 posted on 09/27/2007 6:24:57 PM PDT by Pinkbell (Duncan Hunter 2008 - Protecting and Restoring America)
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To: plain talk

So don’t watch it ok. Go vote for Fred Thompson,you’ll feel better !!!


49 posted on 09/27/2007 6:25:00 PM PDT by Obie Wan
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To: George W. Bush

I doubt that immigration will be seen the same way. It is seen by many as an example of Reps being bigots and racists.


50 posted on 09/27/2007 6:25:21 PM PDT by kabar
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