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Paul's call: end the IRS (Mod sez: No taxes of any kind! No war! Whoopee!)
Union Leader ^ | 9/30/07 | Garry Rayno

Posted on 09/30/2007 10:12:11 AM PDT by traviskicks

Edited on 09/30/2007 4:01:53 PM PDT by Lead Moderator. [history]

Manchester – Calls to abolish the Internal Revenue Service and repeal the Constitutional amendment that established the federal income tax drew loud applause yesterday for Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul.

The Texas Congressman drew an eclectic mix of more than 500 supporters -- young and old, Libertarians and anti-war Democrats, independents and conservative Republicans -- who cheered his message of limited government, low taxes, free markets, bringing the troops home from Iraq, and returning to a monetary policy based on the gold standard.

Paul said the gathering at Veterans Park wasn't about him, but about his message -- which, he said, has been resonating with more and more people.

"Something very significant is happening in this country today. The paradigm is shifting away from government controlling our lives by force," he said. "People are sick and tired of what's happening and want to control (their) own lives."

He said people should be able to keep 100 percent of the fruits of their labor. Income tax is an example of the government controlling people, he said, as are the draft, prohibition on drugs, seat belt laws and other regulations.

Paul said current monetary policy amounts to a "secret sinister tax" that takes wealth from the middle class and poor, and redistributes money to Wall Street and the wealthy. The crowd broke into applause when he said the federal reserve system should be abolished.

Earlier in the day, Paul told three New Hampshire reporters he hoped to turn the enthusiasm his campaign has generated -- through the Internet, in "meet-ups" and through campaign donations -- into votes.

The physician-turned-politician said he expects to spend more and more time in New Hampshire. "The slogan on your license plate would indicate this should be fertile ground for us here," he said, alluding to the state's "Live Free or Die" motto.

Paul said he is running on the same policies President Bush advocated when he ran in 2000, which, he added, are the same ones Republicans have run on for years: a balanced budget, limited government, personal freedom and no nation building.

"Most Republicans -- the leadership in Washington -- don't believe in their own platform; that's why they are losing," Paul said.

Rather than try to spread democracy around the world, he said, politicians ought to focus on some of the shortcomings in this country.

"You don't get a fair shake unless you join the establishment," he said.

Paul, who ran for President in 1988 as the Libertarian Party's nominee, said it's more practical to run as a Republican, noting he spent half of his money in 1988 just trying to get on the ballot in all 50 states.

The door-to-door canvassing that followed the rally -- dubbed the Paul Family Walk -- included about 30 family members who led groups of campaigners in the Queen City, Concord and Nashua. Paul himself visited New England College, Dartmouth College and the Dartmouth Medical School after the rally.

Liz Viering and her husband Peter, from Stonington, Conn., said Paul's opposition to the war in Iraq is the major reason they are supporting him. "Money spent on wars of choice takes money away from other programs," she said.

Miles LaPlant, a 21-year old college student from Attleboro, Mass., said Paul is the first candidate who has captured his attention. LaPlant said he likes Paul's stances regarding the Constitution and the country's founding principles.

Jason Kantz, his wife, Angela, and their two children came up from Cambridge, Mass., for the rally. Kantz said Paul "is the only candidate that gives logical answers and means what he says."

He said Paul's stand on the war in Iraq is also an important issue for him. "We need to reduce our involvement around the world and the amount of money we are spending," Kantz said.

Long-time Libertarian Party member Dennis Corrigan of Boxford, Mass., said he supported Paul when the Congressman ran for President as the Libertarian nominee. He said he has been a Libertarian for 40 years and headed the party in Canada at one time.

Corrigan and a friend were soliticiting signatures for a Massachusetts ballot initiative outlawing the income tax. Corrigan said his friend moved to New Hampshire as part of the Free State Project, adding that he plans to move to the state, as well.

Thomas Clark, Minister of the Somersworth Tri-City Convenant Church, gave the invocation for the rally. Before the rally, he said he supports Paul because of his pro-life stance. "The pro-life issue is a major issue for me," Clark said.

Paul concluded the rally by encouraging his supporters to keep the faith, saying most mass movements have been driven by only 2 or 3 percent of the population.

"You are part of that 3 percent today," he said.

A word from Jim Robinson to the moonbats:

"It is funny and sad to see FR become “Defend Big Guv And Like It Republic.” Something is in the water along the lines of the following formula: “Big Gov execesses are necessary in times of war; we will always be at war with “terror”; ergo, Big Guv will always be necessary so hug it and put an “R” after it.”

To all antiwar moonbats, Paulistas included:

Hey, if you don't like FR and or our support the war policies leave. Go find a website that supports your unfortunate, short-sighted and misguided antiwar efforts. It's really that simple.

In case you antiwar Paulistas haven't noticed, Free Republic supports the war effort 100%. Many of our chapters protest against the antiwar moonbats either weekly, monthly or whenever the opportunity arises. The DC Chapter has been protesting against the antiwar moonbats EVERY Friday night at Walter Reed for three years.

Free Republic has co-sponsored several cross country caravans and hundreds of rallies in cities all across the country and in DC against the antiwar moonbats and in support of our Commander-in-chief, our troops, the war effort and our Gold Star and Blue Star families, many of whom are FReepers.

When you are supporting antiwar moonbats you are working against Free Republic's mission, hurting our efforts, hurting our families who have lost loved ones or have loved ones involved in the fighting, hurting our troops, damaging their morale, working against our efforts to defeat the enemy, and, in fact, giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

Antiwar moonbats are the domestic enemy. Antiwar moonbats willingly give aid and comfort to the enemy during wartime. In my book, that's tantamount to treason. Ron Paul is an antiwar moonbat. You figure it out. If antiwar moonbats are the enemy and Ron Paul is an aid and comfort supplying antiwar moonbat, then Ron Paul IS the enemy!

If you Paulistas are looking for support on FR for an antiwar moonbat who is giving aid and comfort to our enemies, you're nuts! Free Republic will NEVER support antiwar moonbats!

As far as our official policy on Ron Paul is concerned, it's the same policy we have for his antiwar moonbat allies the traitors Harry Reid, Chuckie Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, Jack Murtha, Cindy Sheehan, Barbara Streisand, Jane Fonda, CodePink, International Answer, et al and their flaming antiwar spam monkeys. Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!

Where the hell did you guys ever get the idea that enemy supporting antiwar moonbats would be welcome on FR?

That plain enough for you or do I need to spell it out?

168 posted on 09/30/2007 6:22:47 PM EDT by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)


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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
"Muslims would be banned from immigrating here. "

and did he say what he would do with the muslims already here? Is he going to kick them all out?

Where and when did Ron Paul promise a muslim free America? Link please.

151 posted on 09/30/2007 2:46:46 PM PDT by Lirona
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To: Types_with_Fist

heh heh... not at all, just trying to eck out some sort of middle ground baseline for these big government types... :)


152 posted on 09/30/2007 2:46:56 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: Calpernia
You are a liar.

Two of 'em uncovered on this thread, thus far; evidently, a Paulestinian behavioral trait. ;)

153 posted on 09/30/2007 2:47:08 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("Proudly keeping one iron boot on the necks of libertarian faux 'conservatives' since 1958!")
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To: KDD

I’ve supported and contended for ending the income tax for many years. But, I back a constitutional, practical, workable, politically and economically viable way of doing it: the FairTax.

How does Ron Paul propose that we fund the legitimate functions of government? What is his plan for getting from where we are to where we need to be? Or, is he just demagoguing the issue for personal political gain?


154 posted on 09/30/2007 2:47:08 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("The Pledge For America's Revival" - Alan Keyes 2008 - www.AlanKeyes.com)
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To: EternalVigilance

Another ‘constitutional, practical, workable, politically and economically viable way’ to do it is to abolish about half the agencies in the Federal budget, that should cut the fat quite nicely.... for starters.


155 posted on 09/30/2007 2:51:11 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: DugwayDuke
If your new to an area, just how would you get this information?

Well, these days we've got this new-fangled machine called the Internet, where fine, upstanding citizens in any municipality across our great nation can share information about virtually anything -- including which restaurants in their neighborhoods are clean and which aren't.
156 posted on 09/30/2007 2:54:07 PM PDT by AuH2O-1980 ("A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun." -Jefferson)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

The article you linked to does not support your claim that Ron Paul will ban muslims from immigrating to the United States.


157 posted on 09/30/2007 2:54:10 PM PDT by Lirona
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To: Calpernia; Captain Kirk

Anybody who has ANYTHING to do with politics in the DPRNJ is by definition a liar.

If you are involved Captain Kirk, than you Spock, Bones and Sulu are ALL LIARS.


158 posted on 09/30/2007 2:54:28 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
The words "muslim" and "Islam" appear nowhere in the scanty and pathetically lacking document provided.

It doesn't have to be. Since immigration laws would be enforced under Paul, that means Muslims wouldn't be using visas and other ways to come here and cause trouble.

159 posted on 09/30/2007 2:56:24 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Congratulations Brett Favre! NFL's all-time touchdown leader)
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To: traviskicks

How you spend, and how you tax, are two different matters.

But, in either case, you have to have a practical way to get from here to there. I don’t see Ron Paul offering that.

“Modest excise taxes” are not going to get the job done, even if you’ve managed to slay the spending dragon.

His “vision” is an impractical one, with little connection to reality.

Which is one of the reasons his proposals in the Congress almost never go anywhere.


160 posted on 09/30/2007 2:58:54 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("The Pledge For America's Revival" - Alan Keyes 2008 - www.AlanKeyes.com)
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To: traviskicks
bringing the troops home from Iraq

to not protect our rights from external threats and to not fight back in self defense when war is declared on you twice is malpractice.

161 posted on 09/30/2007 3:00:49 PM PDT by mjp (Live & let live. I don't want to live in Mexico, Marxico, or Muslimico. Statism & high taxes suck.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist; Allegra; Lead Moderator
It doesn't have to be. Since immigration laws would be enforced under Paul, that means Muslims wouldn't be using visas and other ways to come here and cause trouble.

Liar (and a jaw-droppingly inept one, at that). "Enforced immigration laws" obviously and demonstrably would NOT "ban Muslims from immigrating here" -- your original claim -- any more than it would "ban" Frenchmen, or practicing voodoo priestesses, or Aboriginal bush children from doing so, outright. Our existing immigration laws -- the very things you're asserting (idiotically) would be "enforced" in the first place -- have nothing whatsoever to say on the subject of banning Muslims qua Muslims.

Humiliate yourself further, by all means, if you'd like. I, for one, always enjoy a little cabaret with my evening meal.

162 posted on 09/30/2007 3:07:00 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("Proudly keeping one iron boot on the necks of libertarian faux 'conservatives' since 1958!")
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To: MNJohnnie
So, you Paulites want civility?

Too late. You've already driven off most Paul supporters and other Libertarians.
Now here's some real world "AS IT IS" for you:
72 million registered Democrats.
55 million registered Republicans.
42 million registered independents.

How many of those independent votes do you think you'll win with any of the other Republican candidates?

Say hello to President Hillary!
.
163 posted on 09/30/2007 3:09:20 PM PDT by radioman
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To: Lead Moderator
Libertarians, rat lite, we have had this arguement for a lot of years. Libertarians = dope, sodomy, open borders, love your aggressor. Hippie Conservatives

Libertarians are Conservatives that haven't grown up yet and like to smoke dope.

164 posted on 09/30/2007 3:09:21 PM PDT by Little Bill (Welcome to the Newly Socialist State of New Hampshire)
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To: dirtboy

Interesting tagline. I’ve looked around quite a bit and I can’t seem to find anywhere that Ron Paul is advocating surrender to anyone. Maybe you could enlighten me.


165 posted on 09/30/2007 3:11:30 PM PDT by NCSteve (I am not arguing with you - I am telling you. -- James Whistler)
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To: SoldierMedic
Do you enjoy sending out letters and having them get to were you want them to go? That costs money.

Yes, it does cost money. The price goes up every couple of years.

166 posted on 09/30/2007 3:17:48 PM PDT by carenot (Proud member of The Flying Skillet Brigade)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
My honest and accurate assessment of the woefully inadequate mini-doc

And I find it odd that you would label that statement a "Woefully inadequate mini-doc".

Would you prefer a 10,000 page government statement or study, made by 86 different government committees, that takes years to produce?

Hmmm.

I'd say his statement was, to the point, and right on the money and makes more sense that Bush's entire 6 plus years of this open border, lawless free for all.

And I find it odder still, in turn, that you're flailing about so desperately in the patent attempt to distract from the original point under discussion

Uh, I was just commenting on the article in the link provided by the other poster, while you seem consumed by some tit for tat word game you're playing with the person who posted the link to the statement on immigration.

The statement or the link regarding immigration makes perfect sense, no?

167 posted on 09/30/2007 3:21:34 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Puddleglum
"It is funny and sad to see FR become “Defend Big Guv And Like It Republic.” Something is in the water along the lines of the following formula: “Big Gov execesses are necessary in times of war; we will always be at war with “terror”; ergo, Big Guv will always be necessary so hug it and put an “R” after it.”

To all antiwar moonbats, Paulistas included:

Hey, if you don't like FR and or our support the war policies leave. Go find a website that supports your unfortunate, short-sighted and misguided antiwar efforts. It's really that simple.

In case you antiwar Paulistas haven't noticed, Free Republic supports the war effort 100%. Many of our chapters protest against the antiwar moonbats either weekly, monthly or whenever the opportunity arises. The DC Chapter has been protesting against the antiwar moonbats EVERY Friday night at Walter Reed for three years.

Free Republic has co-sponsored several cross country caravans and hundreds of rallies in cities all across the country and in DC against the antiwar moonbats and in support of our Commander-in-chief, our troops, the war effort and our Gold Star and Blue Star families, many of whom are FReepers.

When you are supporting antiwar moonbats you are working against Free Republic's mission, hurting our efforts, hurting our families who have lost loved ones or have loved ones involved in the fighting, hurting our troops, damaging their morale, working against our efforts to defeat the enemy, and, in fact, giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

Antiwar moonbats are the domestic enemy. Antiwar moonbats willingly give aid and comfort to the enemy during wartime. In my book, that's tantamount to treason. Ron Paul is an antiwar moonbat. You figure it out. If antiwar moonbats are the enemy and Ron Paul is an aid and comfort supplying antiwar moonbat, then Ron Paul IS the enemy!

If you Paulistas are looking for support on FR for an antiwar moonbat who is giving aid and comfort to our enemies, you're nuts! Free Republic will NEVER support antiwar moonbats!

As far as our official policy on Ron Paul is concerned, it's the same policy we have for his antiwar moonbat allies the traitors Harry Reid, Chuckie Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, Jack Murtha, Cindy Sheehan, Barbara Streisand, Jane Fonda, CodePink, International Answer, et al and their flaming antiwar spam monkeys. Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!

Where the hell did you guys ever get the idea that enemy supporting antiwar moonbats would be welcome on FR?

That plain enough for you or do I need to spell it out?

168 posted on 09/30/2007 3:22:47 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!

My new tag line! Dibs! DIBS -- !!! ;)

169 posted on 09/30/2007 3:26:00 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!" -- Jim Robinson, 09/30/07)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Unless Hillary is running as a Republican in the Republican primaries, please explain to me how he could "throw the race" to her.

I never said anything about "throw the race to her".

Paul reminds me of Perot. Lots of tawk...

170 posted on 09/30/2007 3:29:03 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Tagline:(Optional, printed after your name on post0:)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
How many times are you going to PING the Mods?

My post was based on probability. No, Paul didn't say it specifically, but securing the borders and enforcing immigration laws equals no Muslims coming here to wreak havoc.

171 posted on 09/30/2007 3:30:36 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Congratulations Brett Favre! NFL's all-time touchdown leader)
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To: dragnet2
This is your second sad, splay-footed attempt to dodge the same question as before, in the harsh, unforgiving spotlight of full public view.

How embarrassing. For you.

Please don't attempt to clumsily change the subject under discussion by frantically hopping up and down and pinwheeling your arms like that. For the record: by your "yes, yes," then, I take you -- as another vocal and (putatively) knowledgeable Ron Paul supporter -- are admitting, openly, that the assertion that Ron Paul would ensure that "Muslims would be banned from immigrating here" is, in plain point of fact, a great, whopping, steaming pile? A simple, straightforward YES or NO, please.

Why are you so strenuously avoiding doing so, I don't wonder...?

172 posted on 09/30/2007 3:31:52 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!" -- Jim Robinson, 09/30/07)
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To: lormand; dirtboy; MNJohnnie; SJackson; jveritas; jrooney

PING to post #168


173 posted on 09/30/2007 3:32:12 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Congratulations Brett Favre! NFL's all-time touchdown leader)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
How many times are you going to PING the Mods?

Why should my doing so distress you so? I mean, It's not as if you've been caught lying in plain and open view or anything, right...?

No, Paul didn't say it specifically

Oh. It IS as if you've been caught lying in plain and open view, then.

securing the borders and enforcing immigration laws equals no Muslims coming here to wreak havoc.

You've already been corrected on this once, for pity's sake. There are no "existing immigration laws" to "enforce" which would "equal no Muslims coming here." None. Zip. Nada.

If I'm wrong: CITE them, with verifiable links provided. (You've already more than amply demonstrated that no other FReepers hereabouts need take your word, unsupported, for any such assertions.)

Go ahead. Humiliate me. Make me grovel and cringe, if you can, by all means.

[::... tick... tick... tick... tick... tick... :]

174 posted on 09/30/2007 3:41:28 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!" -- Jim Robinson, 09/30/07)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Go ahead. Humiliate me. Make me grovel and cringe, if you can, by all means.

I don't do BDSM, sorry.

175 posted on 09/30/2007 3:42:25 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Congratulations Brett Favre! NFL's all-time touchdown leader)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
I don't do BDSM, sorry.

You don't "do" the truth evidently, either.

That's okay. We both know the real score, here.

And now, so does everyone else.

176 posted on 09/30/2007 3:45:41 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!" -- Jim Robinson, 09/30/07)
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To: Allegra; Petronski; SJackson

You need to read this. ;)


177 posted on 09/30/2007 3:48:43 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!" -- Jim Robinson, 09/30/07)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
No I didn't see that, and uh...I never said it was there if you'd read back. (((wow))).

Now, do I dare ask you to respond to my questions?

Second thought, maybe this is too risky...

Yeah...Lets just ferget it.

I see you're constantly pinging the moderator and others here...Strange...So I'll just not comment or voice my opinions to you...I think avoiding you would be wise.

Have fun!

178 posted on 09/30/2007 3:50:13 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2
No I didn't see that, and uh...I never said it was there if you'd read back. (((wow))).

Does this come with subtitles? LOL!!!

Now, do I dare ask you to respond to my questions?

Still haven't answered MINE, yet. (Three spastic dodges on your part, now -- and counting!)

I think avoiding you would be wise.

The part I always love best is when they inevitably start belly-crawling away, whimpering like whipped spaniel pups. A jaded thrill, I know... but: there you have it. ;)

179 posted on 09/30/2007 3:54:46 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!" -- Jim Robinson, 09/30/07)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Still haven't answered MINE, yet

OK, I'll play just a minute or so more with you. What is this burning question that I have allegedly avoided?

180 posted on 09/30/2007 3:57:25 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

With all the sucking up you’re doing, you might want to buy some more kneepads.


181 posted on 09/30/2007 3:58:27 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Congratulations Brett Favre! NFL's all-time touchdown leader)
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To: MNJohnnie

“Or do you all assume we can simply put a “closed” sign on the whole US Govt?.”

Well if we could do that but keep the Military I’d like it.

But thats not what Ron wants to do. He’s a loon.


182 posted on 09/30/2007 3:58:50 PM PDT by festus (No matter how guilty you are a jury will probably get you off.)
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To: dragnet2
What is this burning question that I have allegedly avoided?

Nothing "alleged" about it whatsoever (as you well know), as you've wrigglewd and squirmed like an over-amphetamined Go-Go dancer after each and every prior posting. As Count Basie always used to challenge his musicians, however: "One mo' once -- !"

Please don't attempt to clumsily change the subject under discussion by frantically hopping up and down and pinwheeling your arms like that. For the record: by your "yes, yes," then, I take you -- as another vocal and (putatively) knowledgeable Ron Paul supporter -- are admitting, openly, that the assertion that Ron Paul would ensure that "Muslims would be banned from immigrating here" is, in plain point of fact, a great, whopping, steaming pile? A simple, straightforward YES or NO, please.

183 posted on 09/30/2007 4:04:31 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!" -- Jim Robinson, 09/30/07)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
With all the sucking up you’re doing, you might want to buy some more kneepads.

With all this bald-faced lying you've been doing, you might want to have your surname legally changed to "Clinton."

184 posted on 09/30/2007 4:05:43 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!" -- Jim Robinson, 09/30/07)
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To: JSDude1

“Various sources-public review, individuals, past customers, the market would shut down bad restaurants pretty quickly for lack of business Am I God? (that I know all sources people would find information, or know all ingenuity in which men can innovate?).”

Obviously, you don’t have an answer that is better than the current system of a public health service rating restuarants. None of your solutions is quick, convienient, and trustworthy.


185 posted on 09/30/2007 4:06:43 PM PDT by DugwayDuke (Ron Paul is not specifically mentioned in the Constitution either.)
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To: AuH2O-1980

“Well, these days we’ve got this new-fangled machine called the Internet, where fine, upstanding citizens in any municipality across our great nation can share information about virtually anything — including which restaurants in their neighborhoods are clean and which aren’t.”

Oh, you mean that new internet thingy. It’s a great source of completly reliable information. I heard that you can trust completly any information you find on the internet. Is that true?

Try again.


186 posted on 09/30/2007 4:09:23 PM PDT by DugwayDuke (Ron Paul is not specifically mentioned in the Constitution either.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Can you read #178, the first line?

(((Wow)))

One more time, just for you pal. I didn't alleged that was in the link, ever, and I didn't post the link, and never argued against what your raving about.

Check above, the only thing I said was the link or what he said at the link regarding immigration was right on the money.

In any event, I gave you your dimes worth, and I'll do my best to avoid you in the future.

Have fun...

187 posted on 09/30/2007 4:13:39 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: NCSteve
I’ve looked around quite a bit and I can’t seem to find anywhere that Ron Paul is advocating surrender to anyone.

Maybe you could look in the mirror and ask why the hell you support an antiwar nutcase. Or maybe if we didn't invade Normandy in 1944, that would not be surrender, either, but would instead be peace in our time.

188 posted on 09/30/2007 4:15:49 PM PDT by dirtboy (Ron Paul - shrimp pimp rock schlockster surrender crustacean)
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To: Jim Robinson; kristinn; Angelwood
In case you antiwar Paulistas haven't noticed, Free Republic supports the war effort 100%. Many of our chapters protest against the antiwar moonbats either weekly, monthly or whenever the opportunity arises. The DC Chapter has been protesting against the antiwar moonbats EVERY Friday night at Walter Reed for three years.

And made us proud!

189 posted on 09/30/2007 4:19:56 PM PDT by dirtboy (Ron Paul - shrimp pimp rock schlockster surrender crustacean)
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To: dragnet2
One more time, just for you pal. I didn't alleged that was in the link, ever, and I didn't post the link, and never argued against what your raving about.

Is brazen lying your entire life; just a happy little online hobby; or are you a "special needs" adult? Your initial (failed) dodge, back at #131, begins with: "Yes, yes, but --"

Your "Yes, yes, but --" was, demonstrably, in response to my previous: "My honest and accurate assessment of the woefully inadequate mini-doc provided in posting #122 is that -- contrary to the bluntly stated assertion that it provided hard evidence that Ron Paul would "[ban] Muslims from coming here" -- it states no such thing; and that the original claim to the contrary was a pathetic, bald-faced lie."

That's the beautiful thing about message board arguments, you see, kiddo. They leave visible, immutable and easily-referenced "vapor trails," for all and sundry to read and enjoy. Your attempts at bluffing and blustering your way back to a crouched posture of quasi-respectability, therefore, are as pitiful and (ultimately) doomed as those of a sperm whale stubbornly attempting to glide its way safely down from the top of the Empire State Building.

In any event, I gave you your dimes worth, and I'll do my best to avoid you in the future.

It's okay. I'd probably scuttle back under the sink, too, under the circumstances.

190 posted on 09/30/2007 4:26:44 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!" -- Jim Robinson, 09/30/07)
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To: traviskicks

Proof he is completely unbalanced is how he continuously goes off from his message of small government to his isolationist garbage.

He does it for his audience, which are truthers and moveon.org DU freakshows.

Totally infuriates me the riff raff he has brought to our party.


191 posted on 09/30/2007 4:35:05 PM PDT by Lovebloggers
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To: traviskicks; Jim Robinson
Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!

HA! HA! HA!

Is there an official (unofficial) FR graphic of a flaming antiwar spam monkey?!

HA! HA! HA!

192 posted on 09/30/2007 4:39:54 PM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: SoldierMedic
“. . . do you enjoy having a military to defend you? That costs money.”

We had a military before we had an income tax, a 16th amendment and a Federal Reserve System.

But I am concerned about Ron Paul’s willingness to allow the country to drug itself into a comatose state, which is what will happen in these generations of untrained or ill-trained youth.

193 posted on 09/30/2007 4:45:49 PM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Thank you for the ping. I think JR laid it out finally for all Paul supporters to see. Many, many of us feel the same way. EEE, I was surprised for the ping because I thought you were going to abstain from Paul threads. Thank you though.


194 posted on 09/30/2007 4:48:44 PM PDT by jrooney (The democrats are the friend of our enemy and the enemy of our friends. Attack them, not GW!)
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To: Jim Robinson
To all antiwar moonbats, Paulistas included:

Hey, if you don't like FR and or our support the war policies leave. Go find a website that supports your unfortunate, short-sighted and misguided antiwar efforts. It's really that simple.

In case you antiwar Paulistas haven't noticed, Free Republic supports the war effort 100%. Many of our chapters protest against the antiwar moonbats either weekly, monthly or whenever the opportunity arises. The DC Chapter has been protesting against the antiwar moonbats EVERY Friday night at Walter Reed for three years.

Free Republic has co-sponsored several cross country caravans and hundreds of rallies in cities all across the country and in DC against the antiwar moonbats and in support of our Commander-in-chief, our troops, the war effort and our Gold Star and Blue Star families, many of whom are FReepers.

When you are supporting antiwar moonbats you are working against Free Republic's mission, hurting our efforts, hurting our families who have lost loved ones or have loved ones involved in the fighting, hurting our troops, damaging their morale, working against our efforts to defeat the enemy, and, in fact, giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

Antiwar moonbats are the domestic enemy. Antiwar moonbats willingly give aid and comfort to the enemy during wartime. In my book, that's tantamount to treason. Ron Paul is an antiwar moonbat. You figure it out. If antiwar moonbats are the enemy and Ron Paul is an aid and comfort supplying antiwar moonbat, then Ron Paul IS the enemy!

If you Paulistas are looking for support on FR for an antiwar moonbat who is giving aid and comfort to our enemies, you're nuts! Free Republic will NEVER support antiwar moonbats!

As far as our official policy on Ron Paul is concerned, it's the same policy we have for his antiwar moonbat allies the traitors Harry Reid, Chuckie Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, Jack Murtha, Cindy Sheehan, Barbara Streisand, Jane Fonda, CodePink, International Answer, et al and their flaming antiwar spam monkeys. Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!

Where the hell did you guys ever get the idea that enemy supporting antiwar moonbats would be welcome on FR?

That plain enough for you or do I need to spell it out?

Jim , I think that's pretty clear and spelled out. It's also clear that folks, in responding to RP, are suddenly espousing lots of things Republicans and conservatives used to hate: the IRS, instrusive government, huge new FedGuv departments, UN mandates in foreign affairs, BigGuv minding your own business, and so on. I encourage a clear line between running down candidates and scorning limited government in the process. One can support national security and still oppose BigGuv run amok. Hence, one can look at the current crop of Republican candidates and be dismayed not to see a fiscal conservative in sight, aside from Tancedero and Paul.

As for RP's anti-war stand, I think many Americans are justly concerned about the already-demonstrated possibility of "scope creep." It would be easier to rebut RP if this war were framed more clearly. Is the goal a disarmed Iraq? Peace in Iraq? Is it a self-reliant Afghanistan? A defanged Iran? An occupied Iran? Is it an open-ended posture of defnese against radical Muslims everywhere? Is it an open-ended posture of offense against them? Is it a war against ALL Muslims? Where's the finish line?

BTW, my dad was a vet of WW II, Korea, and Vietnam, and he had a reasoned way of being able to view wars from a soldier's viewpoint while still seeing through to the BS that is Washington and global politics. He served with distinction but never gave up his right to question the muddle-headed policies that put soldier's in harm's way. He was a Reagan man before Reagan was cool. I approved and affirm his reasoning and reference it in my own. I don't think he ever resorted to telling someone they could kiss his ass, either. He had more principle than that.

195 posted on 09/30/2007 4:55:45 PM PDT by Puddleglum
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To: EternalVigilance

Ron Paul is a purist whose politics and positions are more dreams than possibilities. Still his domestic tax and security goals could be reached via a process that might take several administrations to reach.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MDkyYzdkNDNjM2QzMmI1NGEzZmEzYWRjYzQ0OTgxNmU=&w=MA==

Ron Paul is for abolishing the income tax and the IRS. The practical details for doing so are found here in http://www.fairtax.org but these are not Ron Paul’s details. He is not for a consumption tax, he is simply for ending the Income tax without replacement. That is admirable but not likely to be done in one fell swoop unless there be a revolution.

The FairTax will put the federal tax burden front and center in the minds of all Americans each time they purchase something. After a period of time it will become hardened among Americans and natural to think that something must be done about excessive spending in government, because they will see the direct hit on their wallets with every purchase.

The FairTax replaces the Income tax. It is revenue neutral. But it is visible for all to see and that in itself is scary to Income tax lovers. Because as it stands now the Income tax and all payroll taxes are embedded into the prices of all products and services but there is no breakout as to what percent. In studies the embedded tax burden ranges from 8% to 36% with a mean above 25%. But more data analysis needs to be done and in fact is being done.

Also the FairTax demolishes the entrenched K Street lobbyists that work on tax favors for special interests. This means bribery activity will cease in that part of K Street.

But back to Paul, he apparently will not even consider the FairTax because he thinks the Income tax needs to go completely without replacing it with any form of tax. As I said earlier, that’s a dream and is certainly a worthy goal but not a realistic plank in a single term campaign.

But I thank Ron Paul for being an educator on these issues. He helps to set the stage for real reform.

Where Ron Paul has turned off Republicans is his ability to attract anti-war types. I support the war but early on I wanted GW Bush to have Congress declare war on every nation harboring terrorists including Pakistan. I wanted a no holds barred war that would settle for generations the question of our right to exist.

In Pakistan, I wanted to see Musharif given one and only one chance to round up every terrorist and terrorist abettor in his country, even if that involved hundreds of thousands of individuals. And if he failed, I wanted to see Shock & Awe in Peshwar and any other place where Al Quaeda support was found. And I am sure this would have smoked out Bin Laden. The same for Egypt and Zawahiri, and Iran.

We were attacked. We had every moral just reason to name the countries that were on the the terrorist list and give them notice that Shock & Awe was coming. And we had every moral and just reason to have our representative Congress declare war on terrorism everywhere.

I once read this was what Ron Paul wanted also in some sense. He wanted Congress to declare war, not have the President get bogged down in nation building and police action. I thought how great that was. But when he said he would bring the troops home immediately (if he did say that), then I know he was too purist as to be reckless. Fred Thompson has it right, a withdrawal of our troops from Iraq now would embolden the terrorists more than any other acton could, and we cannot allow that.

So Ron Paul is a purist, too idealistic to be practical. He may indeed be the mindset that our great-grandfathers possessed in a former era, a main road mindset that we need to return to. But the path to the main road is long and Ron Paul leads many to think it’s only an election away.


196 posted on 09/30/2007 5:03:29 PM PDT by Hostage (Fred Thompson will be President.)
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To: jrooney

There’s no hard feelings, jrooney.


197 posted on 09/30/2007 5:06:17 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Congratulations Brett Favre! NFL's all-time touchdown leader)
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To: Puddleglum; Jim Robinson; Admin Moderator
"I don't think he ever resorted to telling someone they could kiss his ass, either. He had more principle than that."

Can't resist a shot at the founder of the forum and community you use to espouse your worship for Ron Paul. Me thinks you should be zotted, but it is not my call.

I have said many times on FR, my Dad fought in WW2 for 2.5 years in the Pacific and missed my oldest brother being born and did not see him until he was over 2 years old, and my Dad, God Bless his soul will have no problem telling an anti-war surrender coward to kiss his ass and he is 83 now and the survivor of a heart attack and stroke.
198 posted on 09/30/2007 5:10:17 PM PDT by jrooney (The democrats are the friend of our enemy and the enemy of our friends. Attack them, not GW!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
EEE, enjoy what is rest of your weekend. Watch a little football and have a cold one. I am glad Brett Favre has reached his milestone. Great quarterback and class act.
199 posted on 09/30/2007 5:13:11 PM PDT by jrooney (The democrats are the friend of our enemy and the enemy of our friends. Attack them, not GW!)
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To: Hostage

I don’t agree that Paul is a “purist.”

I think his thinking has been infected by some dangerous notions that are in no way “pure.”

While he, unlike most of our current candidates, does call for the dismantlement of certain current functions of the federal government that are not to be found in the Enumerated Powers, he fails to recognize the difference between that and the national government’s real primary constitutional role: The protection of God-given, unalienable rights.

Everyone needs to get their brains around these principles, and reject those who are presenting a false federalism.


200 posted on 09/30/2007 5:16:27 PM PDT by EternalVigilance ("The Pledge For America's Revival" - Alan Keyes 2008 - www.AlanKeyes.com)
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