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Teachers 'fear evolution lessons'
BBC ^ | Thursday, 4 October 2007

Posted on 10/05/2007 6:26:08 AM PDT by SubGeniusX

The teaching of evolution is becoming increasingly difficult in UK schools because of the rise of creationism, a leading scientist is warning. Head of science at London's Institute of Education Professor Michael Reiss says some teachers, fearful of entering the debate, avoid the subject totally.

This could leave pupils with gaps in their scientific knowledge, he says.

Prof Reiss says the rise of creationism is partly down to the large increase in Muslim pupils in UK schools.

He said: "The number of Muslim students has grown considerably in the last 10 to 20 years and a higher proportion of Muslim families do not accept evolutionary theory compared with Christian families.

"That's one reason why it's more of an issue in schools."

Prof Reiss estimates that one in 10 people in the UK now believes in literal interpretations of religious creation stories - whether they are based on the Bible or the Koran.

Many more teachers he met at scientific meetings were telling him they encountered more pupils with creationist views, he said.

"The days have long gone when science teachers could ignore creationism when teaching about origins."

Instead, teachers should tackle the issue head-on, whilst trying not to alienate students, he argues in a new book.

'Not equally valid'

"By not dismissing their beliefs, we can ensure that these students learn what evolutionary theory really says - and give everyone the understanding to respect the views of others," he added.

His book; Teaching about Scientific Origins: Taking Account of Creationism, gives science teachers advice on how to deal with the "dilemma".

He supports new government guidelines which say creationism should not be discussed in science classes unless it is raised by pupils.

But Prof Reiss argues that there is an educational value in comparing creationist ideas with scientific theories like Darwin's theory of evolution because they demonstrate how science, unlike religious beliefs, can be tested.

The scientist, who is also a Church of England priest, adds that any teaching should not give the impression that creationism and the theory of evolution are equally valid scientifically.

Dr Hilary Leevers, of the Campaign for Science and Engineering, said science teachers would be teaching evolution not creationism and so should not need a book to tell them how to "delicately handle controversy between a scientific theory and a belief".

"The author suggests that science teachers cannot ignore creationism when teaching origins, but the opposite is true," she said.

Teachers could discuss how creationism differed from scientific theory if a student brought up the subject, but any further discussion should occur in religious education lessons, she said.

A Department for Children, Schools and Families spokesman said it had recently published guidelines to teachers on the issue.

"Creationism and intelligent design are not scientific theories nor testable as scientific fact - and have no place in the science curriculum. "But we advise science teachers that when questions about creationism come up in lessons, it provides an opportunity to explain or explore what makes a scientific theory."


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1 posted on 10/05/2007 6:26:08 AM PDT by SubGeniusX
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To: SubGeniusX

I find it fascinating when political correctness runs into these dilemmas.


2 posted on 10/05/2007 6:27:28 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("There is no such thing as death for a Christian who believes in the Resurrection." ~ Fr. Ho Lung)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
The teaching of evolution is becoming increasingly difficult in UK schools because of the rise of creationism, a leading scientist is warning. Head of science at London's Institute of Education Professor Michael Reiss says some teachers, fearful of entering the debate, avoid the subject totally.

This could leave pupils with gaps in their scientific knowledge, he says.

Prof Reiss says the rise of creationism is partly down to the large increase in Muslim pupils in UK schools.


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3 posted on 10/05/2007 6:28:38 AM PDT by SubGeniusX ($29.95 Guarantees Your Salvation!!! Or TRIPLE Your Money Back!!!)
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To: SubGeniusX
"But Prof Reiss argues that there is an educational value in comparing creationist ideas with scientific theories like Darwin's theory of evolution because they demonstrate how science, unlike religious beliefs, can be tested."

Pretty tough to "test" Evolution since Darwinists refuse to publish any peer-reviewed criteria for falsification.

Theories that have no falsification criteria should be left out of the class.

4 posted on 10/05/2007 6:30:09 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Tax-chick

Fisrt it was the teachers afraid to teach about the Holocaust....

Now they are afraid to teach SCIENCE!


5 posted on 10/05/2007 6:30:23 AM PDT by SubGeniusX ($29.95 Guarantees Your Salvation!!! Or TRIPLE Your Money Back!!!)
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To: SubGeniusX
This could leave pupils with gaps in their scientific knowledge,

Missing evolution lessons will not prevent these kids from growing up to design spacecraft, build nuclear power plants or develop the cure to cancer.

They'll be no better or worse as scientists.

6 posted on 10/05/2007 6:30:33 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: SubGeniusX
"Prof Reiss says the rise of creationism is partly down to the large increase in Muslim pupils in UK schools."
7 posted on 10/05/2007 6:30:48 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Southack

Theories that have no falsification criteria should be left out of the class.
________

So you completely agree, then, that creationism and ID should never be taught in any science class.


9 posted on 10/05/2007 6:33:53 AM PDT by dmz
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To: SubGeniusX

It is delicious to watch the PC/pro-evolution fantasy establishment twist in the wind on this one...


10 posted on 10/05/2007 6:34:17 AM PDT by Elpasser
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To: dmz
"So you completely agree, then, that creationism and ID should never be taught in any science class."

Intelligent Design is easily falsified. Where there is no bias in a system, there is no ID.

The same can't be said for Evolutionary Theory, however. No Darwinist will submit falsification criteria for ToE to any peer-reviewed scientific group.

12 posted on 10/05/2007 6:36:16 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: SubGeniusX
Science has been pretty much defined in such a way so that only physical aspects of the natural world qualify as science. No supernatural stuff. No transcendant stuff.

In addition, so far as I know, religion classes have pretty much disappeared from public schools, so that sort of forum, for supernatural or transcendant stuff, has been eliminated.

In this way, the material beliefs of the Evolutionists win by default.

I'd like government schools eliminated so that parents have a diversity of choices and can send their children to schools which have curriculums with which they agree. My second choice would be to bring back religion classes in schools so that the importance of transcendant values can be communicated to children. My third choice would be to change science classes so that the controversy (and yes: there is a controversy) can be openly discussed.

13 posted on 10/05/2007 6:37:00 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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To: SubGeniusX
Prof Reiss says the rise of creationism is partly down to the large increase in Muslim pupils in UK schools.

I love it when two politcally protected groups clash. Will Muslims be forced to learn about evolution or will liberals teach creationism again?

14 posted on 10/05/2007 6:37:23 AM PDT by Barney Gumble (A liberal is someone too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel - Robert Frost)
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To: SubGeniusX

Teenagers are proof that evolution is impossible.


15 posted on 10/05/2007 6:37:56 AM PDT by tractorman
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To: TonyRo76
Sad to say, but some Christians could stand to learn a lot from the Muzzies on this one.

No thanks. 7th century myth belongs in philosophy class, whether its creationism or the study of moon gods.

16 posted on 10/05/2007 6:38:53 AM PDT by GunRunner (Thompson 2008 - Security, Unity, Prosperity)
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To: SubGeniusX

“Muslim families do not accept evolutionary theory compared with Christian families.”

I don’t accept this statement. Maybe C.of.E Christians but that church was started by Henry the Eight and not by God.


17 posted on 10/05/2007 6:39:17 AM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: SubGeniusX

There are plenty here at FR who agree with banning evolution from the classroom and teaching creationism. Muslims don’t have a lock on the issue by any means. In fact, Huckabee is all for teaching creationism in the classroom.


18 posted on 10/05/2007 6:40:51 AM PDT by saganite
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To: SubGeniusX

You can take the man out of the Middle Ages, but you can’t take the Middle Ages out of the man.

You can take the man out of the Middle East, but you can’t take the Middle East out of the man.


19 posted on 10/05/2007 6:42:04 AM PDT by beavus (People are rational in the mundane. Irrationality is left for what matters most.)
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To: saganite

Intelligent Design is the only theory that scientifically explains all modern transgenic animals.


20 posted on 10/05/2007 6:43:09 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: SubGeniusX
Prof Reiss says the rise of creationism is partly down to the large increase in Muslim pupils in UK schools.

PING!!!

False religions (like islam and evolutionism) are not known for tolerance one towards the other...

21 posted on 10/05/2007 6:43:28 AM PDT by damondonion
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To: SubGeniusX

Notice that it’s OK for the secular socialists to offend Christians & Jews day in and day out -

but, being the moral cowards that they are, they won’t offend a group known for beheading offenders.


22 posted on 10/05/2007 6:45:44 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Southack

ID is an attempt to inject religion into the classroom, nothing more, nothing less.


23 posted on 10/05/2007 6:46:25 AM PDT by saganite
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To: saganite
There is a thread about Hillary's claim she will have a "science friendly" white house.

That should tell you something about the Stalinist impulse of a lot of evos..........as we go lock step into the future of her brave new world, I'm sure you will be pleased with her efforts to purge the schools.

24 posted on 10/05/2007 6:47:23 AM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: BenLurkin

Scientific discovery tended (before the secular socialist movement) to actually affirm the existence of the Creator.

Everything from the fact that the Universe had a beginning to the exact balance of universal forces & laws to earth’s very exact position in the cosmos points to “design”.


25 posted on 10/05/2007 6:47:48 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: saganite

Incorrect. ID is the only scientific explanation for modern transgenic animals.

Those who bash ID tend to fall into two groups, however:
1. those who knows how transgenic animals are created but are willing to lie about ID, and

2. those who are uneducated about transgenic animals such that they believe anti-ID lies.


26 posted on 10/05/2007 6:48:33 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: SubGeniusX

Beliving in creationism is a matter of faith and easier than critical thinking. Not to say that having faith is easy. Athiests have more faith in their disbelief than most religious folk have in their beliefs and work hard at maintaining it. The theory of ‘intelligent design’ holds attraction for those of us that accept some of Darwins ideas but admit that their are things larger than ourselves. For myself the concept of God is manifested to me every day that I wake up but I wouldn’t even begin to say that I understand much of it. I just accept it and try to live a good life.


27 posted on 10/05/2007 6:50:17 AM PDT by Leg Olam (I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy)
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To: Coyoteman

You have your flute handy?


28 posted on 10/05/2007 6:50:50 AM PDT by ASA Vet
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To: Southack; dmz
"Pretty tough to "test" Evolution since Darwinists refuse to publish any peer-reviewed criteria for falsification.."

Absolute kook nonsense…

Evolutionary theory (like all scientific theory) is testable through falsification. In the case of evolution, by a creature appearing so out of time and without reasonable explanation that the theory can’t simply be modified, it must be invalid.

29 posted on 10/05/2007 6:52:42 AM PDT by elfman2 ("As goes Fallujah, so goes central Iraq and so goes the entire country" -Col Coleman, USMC ,4/2004)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Science has been pretty much defined in such a way so that only physical aspects of the natural world qualify as science. No supernatural stuff. No transcendant stuff.

As it should be.

30 posted on 10/05/2007 6:55:20 AM PDT by GunRunner (Thompson 2008 - Security, Unity, Prosperity)
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To: elfman2
"Evolutionary theory (like all scientific theory) is testable through falsification. In the case of evolution, by a creature appearing so out of time and without reasonable explanation that the theory can’t simply be modified, it must be invalid."

Incorrect. That's a myth spread outside of Evolutionary Theory circles solely as bait for the gullible, but no Evolutionist has ever published specific peer-reviewed falsification criteria for any aspect of Evolution.

Which is why you can offer no link to such falsification criteria.

31 posted on 10/05/2007 6:55:51 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: ASA Vet

You should ping me if you are going to play.


32 posted on 10/05/2007 6:58:05 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: elfman2

You’re wasting your time.


33 posted on 10/05/2007 6:59:13 AM PDT by ASA Vet
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To: SubGeniusX

Just curious, how does one go about testing the idea of incremental random change over millions of years?


34 posted on 10/05/2007 6:59:33 AM PDT by Hackle
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To: ASA Vet

Defending the tired theory of Evolution will inevitably prove futile. No published falsification criteria. No explanation for modern transgenic animals.

It’s dead, Jim...


35 posted on 10/05/2007 7:01:12 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: SubGeniusX

I’m sure the creationists on FR will be appalled to find they have something in common with fundamentalist Muslims.


36 posted on 10/05/2007 7:01:29 AM PDT by gracesdad
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To: Coyoteman
The teaching of evolution is becoming increasingly difficult in UK schools because of the rise of creationism, a leading scientist is warning. Head of science at London's Institute of Education Professor Michael Reiss says some teachers, fearful of entering the debate, avoid the subject totally.
This could leave pupils with gaps in their scientific knowledge, he says.

Prof Reiss says the rise of creationism is partly down to the large increase in Muslim pupils in UK schools.

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37 posted on 10/05/2007 7:02:03 AM PDT by SubGeniusX ($29.95 Guarantees Your Salvation!!! Or TRIPLE Your Money Back!!!)
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To: SubGeniusX

Amazing how much they bow to the Muslims.


38 posted on 10/05/2007 7:02:21 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: gracesdad

heh....

gee ... that never occured to me ...

hehe...


39 posted on 10/05/2007 7:03:41 AM PDT by SubGeniusX ($29.95 Guarantees Your Salvation!!! Or TRIPLE Your Money Back!!!)
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To: dmz

Call me dumb, but is there a different between Creationism and Intelligent Design?


40 posted on 10/05/2007 7:04:17 AM PDT by wastedyears (George Orwell was a clairvoyant.)
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To: Southack

Really, falsify it then.


41 posted on 10/05/2007 7:05:02 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Southack
"Evolutionist has ever published specific peer-reviewed falsification criteria for any aspect of Evolution."

What’s the “published specific peer-reviewed falsification criteria” for the theory of gravity?

42 posted on 10/05/2007 7:05:43 AM PDT by elfman2 ("As goes Fallujah, so goes central Iraq and so goes the entire country" -Col Coleman, USMC ,4/2004)
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To: Resolute Conservative

Where there is no bias in a system, there is no ID.

Next...


43 posted on 10/05/2007 7:05:53 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: wastedyears
Call me dumb, but is there a different between Creationism and Intelligent Design?

One of them is honest and up front about the fact that their theory is based in religion, and the other tries to hide it by pretending to be science.

44 posted on 10/05/2007 7:06:51 AM PDT by ericc4
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To: tractorman

Glad I’m not a teen anymore.


45 posted on 10/05/2007 7:07:25 AM PDT by wastedyears (George Orwell was a clairvoyant.)
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To: ASA Vet

“You’re wasting your time.”

I can’t help it.


46 posted on 10/05/2007 7:07:27 AM PDT by elfman2 ("As goes Fallujah, so goes central Iraq and so goes the entire country" -Col Coleman, USMC ,4/2004)
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To: elfman2

So you admit that there is no published falsification criteria for Evolution (and wish to change the subject)?!

Gee, perhaps you’ve just touched upon one reason why it’s so tough to teach Evolution in a classroom...


47 posted on 10/05/2007 7:08:06 AM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

Your focus is too narrow on your “groups”.

The biggest supporters of evolution are those that seek to deny the existence of a Creator to whom they will be held accountable for their choices.


48 posted on 10/05/2007 7:08:25 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Southack

There is bias, it is called cognitive thinking, we have it other species doesn’t.


49 posted on 10/05/2007 7:09:33 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: gracesdad

“I’m sure the creationists on FR will be appalled to find they have something in common with fundamentalist Muslims.”

I’m a creationist, and I’m not appalled. Muslims are humans as you are...so you have something in common with them as well....does that appall you?


50 posted on 10/05/2007 7:10:23 AM PDT by scottdeus12 (Jesus is real, whether you believe in Him or not.)
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