Teachers 'fear evolution lessons'

actually I was talking more on the selectiveness of death,killing,removal from the survival and reproduction. like putting down a horse (any animal) that doesn’t preform upto expectations...and the “science/tist” that “studied” and categorized people as “life unworthy of life” or “morally unfit”. not “selective breeding.”

so the better question to you, is morality an inherited “trait” that is a result of
direction-less changes over time?
or is there and independent cause of morality out side of human programming codes?

I accept an objective external cause of morality independents of human programming.

thus I care to whom my children marry, based on integrity, humility,love and kindness not programmed traits.

if one makes no distinction, and morality is only a product of programmed traits (genetics) (that change over time) then a liar has no more “will” to control his deceit than some has the ability to “will” oneself tall (or short)
this is the premise for eugenics. viewing the TOTALITY of human as being nothing more than inherited traits, all behaviors included..eliminate the “undesirable” the “painful” and to usher in/create a “more” perfect world.

Morality is a result of the fact that actions have consequences. The consequences are independent of our preferences and are fairly stable over time.

Harming other people has adverse consequences for the person doing the harm as well as the person harmed. This fact is also fairly constant over time. This is a fairly subtle point that may not be learned except by parental teaching and example. That fact that some people don’t learn it does not mean it isn’t objectively true.

As for eugenics, it was first proposed in writing by Plato. I think you will find the equivalent of the Nazi program fully specified thousands of years before modern science.

so the ends (consequences) justify (determine) the means (the morality)?

Actions still have a cause (human for this discussion), what are our actions caused by? brain-biochemical/electrical programming, what caused the Totality of our thoughts or “will”? is there a cause of morality/”will” that is independent of biochemical/electrical programming (or can we do only what is determined by our Programming?). Is that all we are?
Parents do not escape this, Parental teachings still have a source. to be objective it still needs a source outside of/independent of the parental or non-parental (insert any name you wish) mind(by definition: subjective).

I never suggest “eugenics” was a scientist original (I guess in “your” terminology that would be a very nice “straw man”). merely “they” start/use the (unoriginal if you like) premise: that the totality (sole cause) of human existence is determined by inherited programmed traits(ie genetics)this includes all behaviors?
with a 1A premise: that by using death of individuals as a consequence for undesirable traits as determined/classified with the help “scientist” (again all actions are traits from premise 1) they can select for a “healthy population”

why would “science/ist” by into those premises, unoriginal as they may be?
I tried to directly answered your question why “clergy” would buy into those premises? why do avoid the same question directed at a different group?

perceived current or past stability speaks only as a snap shot,just as direction-less changes over time, doesn’t preclude stability in traits, it doesn’t guarantee continued stability in traits. change the consequence to the trait, change the behavior(al trait).

I guess its the difference between wisdom and intellect, intellect can deceive convincingly wisdom can discern even the cleverest lie. the same type of question could be presented to scientist...why did they treat humans as just another animal, that could be selected for “desirable” or against “undesirable” traits.. Hitler hobnobbed and used them to legitimized eugenics as well as actively “researched” and categorized humans as “fit” and “unfit”.

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How then do you explain the many fossils of “knuckle dragging ape-man” as you call them, or austrolopithocine as they are actually known to Science (and they didn't knuckle walk)?

All non human primates? All mutated humans? All inventions of an unscrupulous Scientific conspiracy? All frauds?

Why did you resurrect this long dead thread?

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