Look Again At The Frost Facts...And Don't Back Down

freeper research, Baltimore Sun, Others ^ | 10-11-07 | icwhatudo

[mountn man]

The biggest thing for me for whatever project I do, whether woodworking or home repair/ improvement, or whatever, is personal pride and satisfaction. Its nots the ONLY factor, but it is the largest.

Hard Working Man
Brooks and Dunn

I'm a hard workin' man
I wear a steel hard hat
I can ride, rope, hammer, and paint
Do things with my hands that most men can't
I can't get ahead no matter how hard I try
I'm gettin' really good at barely gettin' by

Got everything I own
By the sweat of my brow
From my four-wheel drive to my cowboy boots
I owe it all to my blue collar roots
I feel like I'm workin' overtime on a runaway train
I've got to bust loose from this ball and chain

I'm a hard, hard workin' man
I got it all on the line
For a piece of the promised land
I'm burnin' my candle at both ends
'Bout the only way to keep the fire goin'
Is to outrun the wind

Come Friday night
I like to party hard
I carry on with the Cadillac cuties
Spend my whole week's pay on some weekend buety
Come Monday mornin' I'm the first to arrive
I ain't nothin' but business from nine till five

Chorus

I can't wait to get up in the mornin'
And do it all over again
Well I'm a hard livin', hard workin' man

And women too

[dervish]

Excellent job. These parnets made choices.

[proud2beconservativeinNJ]

Good investigative work, the kind that newspapers and journalists USE to do. dittoes!

[SunkenCiv]

Halsey Frost And The Shameless Left
Riehlworldview.com | October 11, 2007 | Dan Riehl
Posted on 10/11/2007 4:18:59 PM PDT by khnyny
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1909980/posts

[HundredDollars]

Someone please explain to me the importance of the accident details. What are you trying to show?

There was/wasn't black ice, so then what?
Husband/wife was diving the vehicle so then what?
Car/SUV so then what?
In/out of 4WD, so then what?
Another car/tree, side/front impact, airbags/side curtains... so then what?
Sat/school so then what?

Answer these questions anyway you like and what does it prove? Why is it relevant to the story of dem poster-family freeloaders supporting their lifestlye on the taxpayer dime?

[incredulous joe]

You’ve done some good work here my FRee State friend. These ninnies are simply attacking you because you’re altering their reality of facts.

My wife and I are independent business owners here in Maryland. We get dragged over the coals by our health insurance providers; paying about 12k a year for our family, then paying a pretty big hit on the deductibles each year, as well. It’s a pretty big chunk of our budget. I’d like to find a better plan, but I wouldn’t leave my family without some kind of provision for this. Forget “assailing” the kid how come the parents aren’t being taken to task for NOT insuring their family. It seems irresponsible to me.

We also send our children to a private school to the tune of 10k, I wouldn’t dare to leave my children in the public schools in our district. This is another big piece of the family budget, but it’s something that we value. If we could not afford it - and we are not wealthy by any means - we would have to homeschool.

This is what we choose to do. I don’t ask other individuals to pick up the tab for my kid and I don’t want to get stuck with the bill for your kid either. Nothing personal.

The folks that are attacking your post ought to do the “grown up” thing and take care of their own families. The Frosts should be taken to task for being so irresponsible, using their kid to shamelessly promote their political agenda, then defending that which is morally wrong once they are called on it. The father isn’t even man enough to take care of his own kids. He wants you and I to do it.

Wow! Being criticized for that has really got to hurt. Maybe not for a lib?

Thanks for your hard work. If you’re being attacked for your observations of the facts, take heart, you’re being attacked by all the right people; the liberal jackasses of the world.

[Son House]

Someone please explain to me the importance of the accident details. What are you trying to show?

Verify facts, and that it wasn’t embellished for the sympathy factor, and if it was embellished it would show the Democrat Majority Press didn’t bother to get it right, again.

[TN4Liberty]

"“mother was driving” Yeah. I think you’re right. I read an awful lotta stuff since yesterday, and don’t remember for sure. I’d like to see the accident report regarding black ice."

I don't think you should question the black ice. That might cause Jesse Jackson to call you racist.

Seriously, the parameters around the accident shouldn't be an issue. Regardless of fault, the kids' conditions exist and they clearly need medical help. I think the only issue here is whether they have the financial means and moral obligation to pay for their own insurance, or if the rest of us should have to pay his insurance. The accident, regardless of the specifics, had tragic consequences that his parents should have been addressing beforehand.

Whatever the government gives you, the government can take away from you. They have been bought and paid for by the liberals. The liberals own them now... their votes, their opinions, their support. And the father thinks he is his own boss in his business. He has more bosses running his entire life than I do.

[cgbg]

Welcome to the jungle, baby!

:-)

I nominate Karen T. of Slime Magazine as the scumbag "reporter" of the year so far.

The competition is tough, though.

You have set a match under the media scam artists and their hysterical screams can be heard from sea to shining sea.

You might want to take a look at some of the "logical fallacy" web sites. They list a whole series of false arguments that are commonly used in the major media--the ad hominem attack, argument by authority, false premise, etc etc etc.

But when the lefties go totally nuts they fall back on Hillary's favorite technique--the naked threat.

"We will destroy you."

That is their ultimate argument--and their best one.

As I say, welcome to the jungle.

[Ditto]

Didn't your mother ever teach you that farting in public is rude? ----------- An individual still has to buy relatively expensive equipment. 1-2 cabinet saws at $2000+, 1-2 bandsaws at $2000+, drumsander, drill press, shaper or routers, air filter, dust collector, and other machines and tools and accessories. It would cost $10,000 just for the hobbyist/small business man to get started for equipment, and that number would easily double or triple for that hobbyist/ small business man to really get serious.

Did your mother ever theach you to read the article before posting. The guy is a custom carpenter already and owns his own custom carpentry business. One would have to assume that he already has all the shop tools and the skill to make his own cabinets. I have friends who have done the same and have made better cabinets for a small fraction of the cost of the press board crap you find in those big box stores.

[johnny7]

100% true

And therein lies their problem...

[mountn man]

I read the entire article.

I have what most would consider a pretty good shop setup. I know what it costs to build oak or maple cabinetry, or tables and chairs. To save $1000 on what would have been $5000 means I have an extra $1000 for something else, but I ain't building cabinets at a small fraction of the price.

Just for reference sake, good cabinet grade plywood costs about $45 up to $90 for the really good stuff. 4 sides can be gotten out of one sheet. Now you have the face and door back bottom and top, and maybe a drawer. Plus hardware.

If you have friends who built their cabinets for a small fraction than what can be purchased at Lowes, then they used crap wood and hardware. Otherwise they're blowing smoke at you.

[Ditto]

If you read the article, why did you assume in your last post that the guy had to go out and buy thousands of dollars in shop equipment first?

I do smell smoke.

[Age of Reason]

If you have friends who built their cabinets for a small fraction than what can be purchased at Lowes, then they used crap wood and hardware.

But can we be sure Lowes uses first class materials?

[mountn man]

I didn't assume that he had to go out and by any equipment. If he had all the equipment he needed, so that he didn't have to buy any, he'd still have to spend money on material. The point I'm trying to make is that for the cost of material alone, one is not going to build comparable or better cabinets at a small fraction of the cost that they can be bought for.

The point I was trying to make earlier about tools, is that the cabinet making firms have large automated machines, that can do large quantities at very fast rates, driving production costs down. Meaning that cabinets can get cheaper and cheaper to produce, and cheaper to sell.

Their material costs are already below 50% of what a small time operator can get.

All this means that a producer can market their product for about the same or a little more than an individual can actually buy the material itself for.

The only time an individual can build cabinets for 1/10 the cost of bought cabinets, which you claimed earlier can be done, is when building your own cabinets versus higher end custom made cabinets. At this point the cost isn't in the material as much as its in the workmanship. When your at this level of cabinetry, Billyjo Bob working out of his garage better be alot more skilled than nailing studs together and measuring in 1/16's of an inch and calling it good, and then claiming that his cabinets are just as good or better than crap that can be bought.

[VOA]

bump

[mountn man]

Lowes doesn't build their own cabinets. At least that I know of. Your buying stuff like Merrilat, Schrock, and Kraft Made. And no they aren't buying the "best" material. Depending on the grade of cabinet can depend on the grade of materials used.

But since these manufacturers are producing items in such "HUGE" quantities, they buy their materials considerably less, than what a small time hobbyist could buy them at, for the same quality.

In order for the individual to cut costs to save that much, there is only one place to cut costs, and thats with the material you buy, and its quality.

[VOA]

RE: numerous versions of how private school is paid off

I’ve got to hand it to Democrats/Lieberals.
They are “artful dodgers” when it comes to constant revision of
their explanations!

[Ditto]

The only time an individual can build cabinets for 1/10 the cost of bought cabinets, which you claimed earlier can be done, is when building your own cabinets versus higher end custom made cabinets.

Well thank you for catching up with me. I, and I think it's fair to say the original poster of this thread were operating under the assumption that they are a custom job that he guessed must have cost a bundle. I pointed out that it's also safe to assume the guy not only has the equipment necessary but after years in the business, also has the skill required to build custom cabinets. Beyond that, if custom carpentry is his business, I find it unlikly he would even want off-the-shelf stuff for his own home when he could do custom for the same or less.

My only point was that it's entirely possible that they did not spend a bundle of money on the kitchen as the originater of the thread implied and I advised that he should avoid that line of reasoning. Then, out of the blue, someone accused me of farting in the forum.

[Albion Wilde]

Would stainless steel be a good idea for a counter-top?

It's not something most women would like, given that it is cold and makes a very unpleasant noise when something is placed on it. And if my stainless sink is any example, it's not that easy to polish out scratches, either, which would not happen all over the counter evenly, but only in high-use spots.