Conservative California - Had Enough Yet?

October 14, 2007 | Chuck Plante - aka backtothestreets

[Bullish]

Call the new state “NoMexico”

[Clemenza]

Question for California Freepers, if Cali was such a “conservative” state in the past, why did it tolerate “free” public universities, unions, a relatively high state personal income tax, and, starting in the 1970s, the strictest environmental laws in the nation.

[backtothestreets]

True, Los Angeles County controls Northern California water in the present state. That would not be so once the state split. Each state would control the resources within their borders.

While Los Angeles County would not approve such a split, all other counties in the south would as they can free themselves free of the Los Angeles sphere of influence.

[backtothestreets]

Rural Sacramento County is conservative, and I am certain the whole county would move in a more conservative once the liberal influences from the San Francisco Bay Area and Los Angeles County are sent packing to their own state. This in conjunction with a new state constitution would correct most problems now affecting Sacramento and Santa Barbara counties.

[backtothestreets]

But we wouldn’t gain two new seats in the US Senate! ;)

This won’t be about California alone. The ramifications will have a profound national impact. ;)

[backtothestreets]

The constitutional convention for the new state would address the problems that allowed liberals in the present state to act as a legislative tyranny to make certain the mistakes of the past cannot be repeated in the new state.

I expect the liberals will come to the new state once they see the stark differences between the two states, but I expect many will come with a new found set of conservative principles motivating their move.

[backtothestreets]

No doubt the libs would have control of the largest commercial ports, but the new state would have the largest Naval Base!

The new state would have an opportunity to develop ports in both Sacramento and Stockton to attract more commercial shipping. San Luis Obispo Bay has always been considered a suitable place for a commercial port, although I doubt it would need to be developed as such. With Interstate highway access, Sacramento and Stockton are logistically much better suited.

[backtothestreets]

That’s funny! Gee, I think we all had similar thoughts at one time or another. :)

[backtothestreets]

Don’t worry. A good constitutional convention will change the political composition of Placer County and similar inland areas for the better and anchored in their more conservative roots.

[backtothestreets]

All good questions and worth a good answer.

Most of the most liberal changes within the state since the 1960’s have come as a direct result of gerrymandering that allowed legislators the ability to carve their districts. This one practice deeply impacted the state conservative base.

Another is the initiative process that allows for a simple majority to pass expensive bond measures.

These and other related issues would be resolved with a constitutional convention in the new state.

[backtothestreets]

I’ll have to check again with the experts that have helped me thus far, but I seem to think the approval granted by Congress to split the state did allow for up to three states being formed. The problem is splitting the state into north, central and southern states would have little support within each area as none would gain a distinct advantage, and would have the conservative base quite divided.

[Kevmo]

all other counties in the south would as they can free themselves free of the Los Angeles sphere of influence.
***I doubt they would, but I can support such a plan. Ahhh, one can dream...

[backtothestreets]

Yep, conservative San Diego County would be part of the new state, and finally completely free of Los Angeles County sphere of influence.

Duncan Hunter would very much be involved I am sure.

[backtothestreets]

"Split California directly into blue state Cal, and red state Cal."

Thank you! That is precisely the intent. Serious discussion is needed. The proposal is not cast in stone. It's merely a starting point. As for a state being separated as the lesser state would be, I see no problem as the states of Hawaii and Michigan are not continuous land masses. Another historical perspective is that Massachusetts was not a continuous land mass when the nation was formed.

Also, I have a sense the first governor of the new state would be from Ventura County, current state senator Tom McClintock.

[Clemenza]

Thanks. I have been looking for an honest answer for awhile on said question.

[Clemenza]

PPS: For the benefit of folks living in rational sections of the US, a half mil in LA county is a starter house.

When I showed my brother in law what he could "afford" if he moved to New Jersey, he laughed his ass off. All that money to then pay $8-12K in annual property taxes to the most corrupt politicians in the nation.

[backtothestreets]

Congress gave approval when California was admitted as a state with no set time requirement to accomplish the split.

Under the state constitution the Democratic legislators are muted by the initiative process that grants to the citizens of California an initiative process binding on the state legislature.

[backtothestreets]

Except for Los Angeles County, all socal residents would be part of the new state and free of the political sphere of influence of Los Angeles County. Those socal residents not residing in LA County have much to gain.

[TruthConquers]

I would think that Orange County would. We have always been VERY conservative.

I could go for letting LA rot with no one to blame but themselves.

[backtothestreets]

Well, hopefully we will have an opportunity to see if the residents living in the other southern California counties would prefer the present state or one offering lower taxes, less government regulation, and an end to legislative tyranny. I am fairly certain they will grab their freedom from high taxes and tyranny, especially if it means they get to keep more of the money they earn.