Conservative California - Had Enough Yet?

October 14, 2007 | Chuck Plante - aka backtothestreets

[backtothestreets]

You are very right about Orange County. The county is actually an anchor of the proposal. It would be the most populous county in the new state, and is very conservative. Orange County has much to gain under the proposal, and I am quite certain they will not the opportunity pass them by.

[Amerigomag]

Point taken. But ... about the Mexican assumption of San Franciso Bay and the Port of Long Beach?

[backtothestreets]

I think once faced with each 3 legal residents, adult and child alike, having to support mostly adult illegal immigrants, all conventional liberal thinking will be tossed to the wind.

The proposal offers an opportunity to create one solidly conservative sate, and move the liberal one in a decidedly more conservative direction. The proposal will need fine tuning to see that this can be the outcome. That’s where I need to get some real experts to go over the proposal with fine toothed combs and offer suggestions to strengthen the proposal.

[Political Junkie Too]

Am I reading this right? You're suggesting that one state be made from two non-contiguous areas?

How do you propose the gray state to operate given a territorial split?

-PJ

[backtothestreets]

Hawaii and Michigan operate quite well under such circumstances, as did Massachusetts before Maine was made a state. In fact, Massachusetts operated quite well under such comditions considering the lack the comveniences of travel and comminication we enjoy today.

It would be left to the two areas forming the smaller state to make adjustments.

[SoCal Pubbie]

No thank you.

[Political Junkie Too]

Hawaiians don't have to travel through another state to get from one island to another. Michigan has a bridge connecting the northern and southern parts.

I think you'd have more success creating a contiguous gray state, but that's just me.

-PJ

[Myrddin]

I propose California be divided into somewhere between 5 and 70 states. 2 of which would be Democratic (LA and SF) and the rest Republican. It’s only fair since a state like Wyoming with barely 500,000 people gets two senators and a congresscritter, while California only gets two senators for 37,000,000 people.

Isn't it amazing that a pool of 37 million people can't do better than Boxer and Feinstein as Senators? If that's the best they can do, what motivation is there to further pollute the Senate with lesser offerings?

[backtothestreets]

Believe me, I had considered that, and that could be the finished proposal once others come together to make this a reality. I didn’t make it a contiguous state in my proposal because I didn’t want to sacrifice the conservative residents or votes in the Central California areas to satisfy the gray state. I would hope to see this done without offering any symbolic sacrificial lambs to the two gray areas.

[RKV]

You don’t know much about California and its politics do you? Let me make it simple for you. Two large DemocRATic cities dominate the state’s electorate. Cut them out and there are plenty of conservatives here. Two large DemocRATic states, and 50 small conservative ones. Got it?

[Myrddin]

I'm a native Californian. I left the state in 2001 when it was apparent that the political landscape would forever be in the hands of the socialist RATS. The few Republicans that make it to the legislature are a lonely, powerless minority. Term limits removed Willie Brown from his iron grip on the assembly. Many of the other lefties are just playing musical chairs. The termed out reps are serving as attorney general or controller. Same faces...just doing damage in other places.

The illegal aliens and their magic "citizen" offspring have already overwhelmed your influence at the ballot box. I don't expect that trend to change in my lifetime. I could find no reason to continue to wallow in the mire for the rest of my life.

[SierraWasp]

"the red counties thwarting their efforts."

Nobody has to worry about red/rural counties anymore since the 45 year old Warren Court decision called "Cows Don't Vote," or "One Man, One Vote!" We've had "Rural Cleansing" and Taxation With Rotten Representation in all of America's rural counties ever since!!!

[abigailsmybaby]

I love it! I wish you all the luck in the world.

What type of assistance do you need?

[backtothestreets]

Well, let me check my shopping list ... First up would be:

Californians to generate interest. There is a draft of the initial proposal in the linked Yahoo Group files ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/new_california/ ). It is available in both txt and doc formats, and can be printed out or downloaded for all interested. Interest can include contacting radio talk shows to get them talking about the proposal.

Persons making contact with, or providing contact information of California organizations that may have an interest in in such a split. The Howard Jarvis tax organization comes to mind as an example. This would likely be made easier if people can volunteer as coordinators within their county.

It would be very helpful if persons working within the state political parties could get their parties behind this. The proposal absolutely splits the state Republican along ideological lines with the conservative inland Republicans voicing support, and the liberal Los Angeles contingent voicing opposition.

Last but not least ... suggestions that anyone thinks might help push this along as quickly as possible.

There is a very good opportunity to have proposal finalized, and circulated for the necessary signature to place in on the November 4, 2008 General Election Ballot. The cutoff for that election is July 1, 2008 as near as I can determine from the Secretary of State web site.

If prepared in time for the 2008 General Election it could have a great bearing on the future of the state and the nation as a new state would gain two new seats in the US Senate.

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

For future consideration: restructure the California senate so that each county can appoint a Senator, via its county council. That will create a more conservative Senate, and at the same time, cultivate more respect for local government and limit the number of annoying state laws that Schwarzedoofus can approve. It would be similar to repealing the 17th Amendment at the Federal level.

However, in order for geographic representation to occur in the state Senate, the Supreme Court’s imposition of proportional representation in all state legislative houses would have to be overturned first.

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

If your idea succeeds, the new state will be subject to the same proportional representation problem that California and all other states are. Here’s what I suggest, should your idea succeed.

In your constitutional convention, create a Senate that represents the counties in your state, with each county government appointing the same number of Senators (1 or 2 per county should do). The House can represent the people of the new state proportionally. Naturally, somebody will sue for proportional representation in the Senate, per the Supreme Court ruling, and you will have a shot at overturning that ruling, which will benefit the other 50 states as well and return to them a measure of their sovereignty.

[freekitty]

Are there any conservatives left in CA??? LOL I know there are.

Love your tagline.

[backtothestreets]

There are so many conservatives in California I thought I was going to have to take off one of my shoes and bare my toes to count them all once I ran out of fingers.

There are actually many conservatives in California. Strange though it may be, many of our rural Democrats are much more conservative than their urban Republicans counterparts.

Once this proposal is refined and finalized it should attract conservatives of every stripe and color. And, because it will offer great tax benefits to all in the new state, I expect many liberals in the new state areas to suddenly become financially conservative. It has to be a proposal that benefits all within the new state areas.

[norton]

"Except for Los Angeles County, all socal residents would be part of the new state."

I spent the week end roaming San Diego County - I'd cut them loose in the same breath as LA.

Maybe turn Pendleton/Oceanside into Gitmo West.

[subterfuge]

The only difference between Northern and Southern Cal is the women wear makeup and care about their clothes in SC.