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Orange County Register columnist: "The Ron Paul Penomenon"
ocregister ^ | October 7, 2007 | Alan Brock

Posted on 10/15/2007 7:20:30 PM PDT by freedomdefender

The Texas congressman is not likely to be president, but his campaign already represents the most significant pro-freedom movement in recent American history. ...

So how did a 72-year-old grandfather who is self-effacing and slender to the point of looking frail on television (he doesn't in person) become the closest thing to a rock star the Republicans have produced, swarmed for autographs at every appearance? Raised in Pittsburgh, Ron Paul attended Duke medical school, served in the Air Force, and began practicing medicine (he's an OB-GYN) near Houston. Along the way he started reading writers like Ludwig von Mises and Friederich von Hayek and became a strong supporter of free-market economics and the gold standard. ...

His practice in Congress has been to ask himself, before each vote, whether this is a program specifically authorized by the Constitution. If the answer is no, he opposes it – including funding for NASA when NASA was in his district. This has earned him the nickname, "Dr. No."

...He also believes the income tax should be abolished, government made significantly smaller, and that the Federal Reserve should be abolished, with the country returning to a gold standard rather than printing fiat money. He is staunchly pro-life and seldom misses a chance to denounce the war on drugs, which he believes is unconstitutional.

(Excerpt) Read more at ocregister.com ...


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To: freedomdefender

My friend who says she’s a democrat also says she wants to do volunteer work for Ron Paul’s campaign, and she says that even her liberal friends support him too. Now, the startling thing is that her and her aforementioned friends live in San Fransisco, so what they call ‘democrat’ everyone else calls ‘ultra-liberal’... I’m surprised at his popularity among that particular population segment.


41 posted on 10/15/2007 9:18:25 PM PDT by Hyzenthlay (Halo 3 is making me realise that Microsoft is not entirely evil.)
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To: Hyzenthlay
... I’m surprised at his popularity among that particular population segment.

Does your "liberal" San Francisco friend know that Ron Paul has a 100 percent pro-life voting record? Does she know he's a 100 percent backer of Second Amendment gun ownership rights? Does she know that he wants to eliminate the US Department of Education? Does she know he wants to eliminate the income tax and slash the size of government and the overall tax burden? If your friend knows these things and is supporting Ron Paul, knowing these things, then I would say your friend is not a liberal. These are not liberal positions, they're strong conservative positions.

42 posted on 10/15/2007 9:38:19 PM PDT by freedomdefender
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To: freedomdefender

Hey folks- I’m fairly new here. Can any of the Paulistas or FReepers for that matter tell me why Ron Paul has his own forum here on FR? Do any other candidates? ( It’s called RLC Liberty Caucus.)


43 posted on 10/15/2007 9:39:07 PM PDT by matthew fuller (Draft John Bolton for President! He's pre-vetted by the move-ons.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You got look up the HTML commands in the sandbox. If I try to give you the code how to do this in this message, it will not show up.


44 posted on 10/15/2007 9:48:17 PM PDT by dancusa (For liberals there is no end to their rights and no beginning to their responsibilities.)
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To: freedomdefender

I’m not sure... she says she’s looked at his record and what he wants to do, and what appeals to her and her friends is his desire for change from the current state of the government and government institutions. She’s such a liberal in every other way though, and her friends are even worse... I’m really surprised.

Though I’d say they’re strong libertarian positions more than conservative positions.


45 posted on 10/15/2007 9:59:23 PM PDT by Hyzenthlay (Halo 3 is making me realise that Microsoft is not entirely evil.)
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To: Eastbound
History's clock cannot be set back that far.

Dear fellow FReeper, thank you for your voice of reason. Some other FReepers here display way too little appreciation for war, taxes and corruption.

BJ

46 posted on 10/15/2007 11:22:38 PM PDT by Binti Jua
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To: Binti Jua
"Some other FReepers here display way too little appreciation for war, taxes and corruption."

Cute. But it misses the mark. Mankind has been given authority to take the lives of those who would take your life. Call it war, call it self-defense, call it capitol punishment, call it justice. But without the will or the logic to see the necessity for using the sword to discourage those who do appreciate using the sword against innocents, folks would still be bullied by the strongest and fighting each other for the remains of a dead animal -- and forced to worship someone else's false god.


47 posted on 10/16/2007 12:03:05 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Hyzenthlay
Though I’d say they’re strong libertarian positions more than conservative positions.

Maybe you're right. In the George Bush era, conservatism no longer means limited government and constitutional freedom. That was Reagan conservatism. Today, we call it - or the Bush-Rudybots on FR Call it - "kooky."

Sorry, but I'm still - along with Ron Paul - a conservative of the old, small-government school. Bush's big-government, big-spend, big-tax, big-borrow, big-debt policies haven't caught on with me.

48 posted on 10/16/2007 12:12:25 AM PDT by freedomdefender
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To: freedomdefender
A lot of freepers hate Ron Paul, maybe for the same reason - he reminds them of what real conservatism used to be, before Bush turned conservatism into old-fashioned liberalism.

No, a lot of us just don't believe that he is the face of real, old fashioned conservatism. As I have said often, Ron Paul is as much of a Constitutionalist as Fred Phelps is a Christian. Real Conservatives don't vote to defund our troops in the middle of a war. Real Conservatives don't vote against border security. Real Conservatives don't parrot the talking points of our enemies. Real Conservatives don't gorge on blood money paid for by our troops by pandering to the conspiracy minded crowd and associating with Alex Jones.

49 posted on 10/16/2007 6:16:35 AM PDT by mnehring (Ron Paul is as much of a Constitutionalist as Fred Phelps is a Christian.)
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To: matthew fuller
Hey folks- I’m fairly new here. Can any of the Paulistas or FReepers for that matter tell me why Ron Paul has his own forum here on FR? Do any other candidates? ( It’s called RLC Liberty Caucus.)

Ron Paul doesn't have his own forum; Ron Paul is not the Liberty Caucus, he just uses the Alex Jones' radio program to spread his paranoid delusions. At that, I don't even think the national level of the Liberty Caucus has been very active lately, some threads are tagged, but I haven't seen much activity from them lately.

No, the closest thing we have to an official Ron Paul thread is the 'Friday Funny' thread where most people sit in shock and laugh at what he said.. that is pretty much what he is good for.

50 posted on 10/16/2007 6:20:36 AM PDT by mnehring (Ron Paul is as much of a Constitutionalist as Fred Phelps is a Christian.)
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To: freedomdefender
Don't be fooled.. Paul is no Conservative. Votes speak louder than rhetoric.

Ron Paul's Voting Record (ya, ya, I know, there is an excuse for all of these, state's rights are more important than stopping abortion and fixing the border, Ronnie is making a statement, or everyone else was voting against it and he was just playing the game, yadda, yadda, yadda)

Here are some more ‘Conservative(sic)’ votes by Paul:

Voted NO on federal crime to harm fetus while committing other crimes.

Voted NO on forbidding human cloning for reproduction & medical research.

Voted NO on barring transporting minors to get an abortion.

Voted YES on funding for alternative sentencing instead of more prisons.

Voted NO on more prosecution and sentencing for juvenile crime.

Voted NO on military border patrols to battle drugs & terrorism.

Voted NO on allowing school prayer during the War on Terror.

Voted NO on allowing vouchers in DC schools.

Voted NO on passage of the Bush Administration national energy policy.

Voted NO on implementing Bush-Cheney national energy policy.

Voted YES on barring website promoting Yucca Mountain nuclear waste dump.

Voted NO on speeding up approval of forest thinning projects.

Voted NO on reforming the UN by restricting US funding.

Voted NO on requiring lobbyist disclosure of bundled donations.

Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits about obesity against food providers.

Voted NO on prohibiting product misuse lawsuits on gun manufacturers

Voted NO on prohibiting suing gunmakers & sellers for gun misuse.

Voted NO on decreasing gun waiting period from 3 days to 1.

Voted NO on emergency $78B for war in Iraq & Afghanistan.

Voted NO on $266 billion Defense Appropriations bill.

Voted YES on more immigrant visas for skilled workers.

Voted YES on providing $70 million for Section 8 Housing vouchers.

Voted NO on promoting work and marriage among TANF recipients.

Voted NO on treating religious organizations equally for tax breaks.

Let's also not forget Paul's Pork Projects (that he voted for before he voted against when he calls them unconstitutional but he is just playing the game when he submits them because everyone else does it.. yadda yadda yadda..)

51 posted on 10/16/2007 6:21:42 AM PDT by mnehring (Ron Paul is as much of a Constitutionalist as Fred Phelps is a Christian.)
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To: lormand; Allegra; ejonesie22; wideawake
Ping, it seems the Paul cult has been having a merry little party without us.

Bubble, bubble, toil, and trouble...

52 posted on 10/16/2007 6:26:45 AM PDT by mnehring (Ron Paul is as much of a Constitutionalist as Fred Phelps is a Christian.)
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To: faq

The freedom of those in other parts of the world, while important, pales in comparison to the systematic destruction of our nation, through the undermining of the Constitution and its rule of law, and the destruction of our monetary system through inflation, overspending and entitlement programs, that is happening here at home.

And it is usually the Ron Paul haters who throw the words “America Hating Kook” around!


53 posted on 10/16/2007 6:28:22 AM PDT by t_skoz ("let me be who I am - let me kick out the jams!")
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To: mnehrling

Yawn...

I need to wake up more before I enjoy a good belly laugh...


54 posted on 10/16/2007 6:29:24 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (265 pound Lemming with attitude for Thompson!)
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To: mnehrling

You keep posting that crap over and over when you know that the reason he voted against some of these “conservative” bills is because they were most likely poisoned by riders.

I find it very dishonest that you just say he voted against this or that without naming specific bills so that people can look at them and make up their own minds.

Name the specific bills or quiet down.


55 posted on 10/16/2007 6:36:10 AM PDT by t_skoz ("let me be who I am - let me kick out the jams!")
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To: Mr. Jeeves

I’m voting for RP. The major candidates sound like clown imitators of Mussolini.


56 posted on 10/16/2007 6:39:18 AM PDT by junta (It's Jihad stupid! It's the borders stupid! It's Political Correctness stupid!)
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To: t_skoz
You keep posting that crap over and over when you know that the reason he voted against some of these “conservative” bills is because they were most likely poisoned by riders.

You keep saying that over and over and over.. guess what, symbolism over substance is all Paul is about.. the bill numbers have been posted over and over and are available at the links included. This is just a sampling.. maybe I'll go back to on the issues and update the list.. I'm sure people will love to see Paul voting against condemning Iran (along with his pal Kucinich) or supporting David Obey's War Tax proposal... yea, real Conservative.

How about Paul voting against giving Ronald Reagen the medal of freedom, with the excuse that it isn't in the Constitution, but not having a problem co-sponsoring bills to give similar honors to baseball players and radio dj's in his district.

Or how about Ron Paul earmarking $13Million for the TransTexas corridor (NAU/NAFTA Highway) project? That one has really turned off a lot of folks here in Texas.

57 posted on 10/16/2007 6:41:37 AM PDT by mnehring (Ron Paul is as much of a Constitutionalist as Fred Phelps is a Christian.)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

“Republican politicians hate Ron Paul, because he reminds them of the way they used to sound way back when they had principles.”

Oh yea, them good old Republican principles, (NOT)

• Repeal federal anti-drug laws, making dope leagal

• Repeal anti-prostitution laws

• Cut the defense budget by 150 billion

• Virtually no role for the U.S. government overseas—from military defense to international trade.


58 posted on 10/16/2007 7:00:42 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: mnehrling
"Real Conservatives don't vote against border security."

WHAT???? Wasn't aware of that.

59 posted on 10/16/2007 7:03:30 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Eastbound
WHAT???? Wasn't aware of that.

Weren't aware that there wasn't a lot of RINOs in DC or weren't aware that Paul was one of them, voting against putting the military on the border at least four times and saying a border fence 'isn't all that important'?

60 posted on 10/16/2007 7:07:30 AM PDT by mnehring (Ron Paul is as much of a Constitutionalist as Fred Phelps is a Christian.)
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