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George Will is hard to excerpt. He backs the conclusions I gave with findings. I especially liked the Chief Justice Rhenquist discussion about Miranda. That is, even if a judge is opposed the danger is that precedent is followed anyway.

A good editorial for contemplation. You do need to read it though.

1 posted on 10/28/2007 7:17:51 AM PDT by shrinkermd
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Well, as a getting older guy I’d never report her. If she was homely I might joke about her with my friends - but never report her.


2 posted on 10/28/2007 7:28:10 AM PDT by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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To: shrinkermd
in a secular sense, this argument is appealing.

but the moral authority -- the unspoken influence of leadership -- is not to be trifled with.

If you apply the same argument to marital fidelity, you not only get a despicable demeaning of the office, you get a whole lot of bad politics and policy with it -- the kind that can ruin a generation the world over, and perhaps have even more momentous consequences. Here I'm speaking of the preventability of 911 and the loosing of terror on the world that followed it, and Bill Clinton's jerking around in the highest office in the land.

No, in a strictly secular sense, it doesn't matter what the president believes about such things. But in a moral sense -- and leadership is a moral proposition -- it just might be the most important factor.

A president without a conscience is a scourge to the world.

4 posted on 10/28/2007 7:30:49 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (keep the heat on the hillary.)
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The points in this article are hard to argue against. No matter WHO is elected president in 2008, it is somewhat unlikely that Roe v. Wade will be overturned, it is a near impossibility that abortion will be outlawed in California (the state under consideration in this article). And the reasoning Will applies to California will be applicable in many, possibly a majority, of states. Maybe even a large majority.

I’m not saying abortion isn’t an important issue. It is. But I agree with Will that it is an issue that is, to a very large extent, out of the hands of the President.


5 posted on 10/28/2007 7:49:55 AM PDT by samtheman
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But regarding abortion itself, what a candidate thinks about abortion rights is not especially important.

And so is your STOO-PID blather mr Will.

A POTUS's thnking on a subject affects..

So yeah Georgie, a president's 'thinking' means nothing. I think it's time you retire you nimrod. Your brain has turned to mush.
6 posted on 10/28/2007 7:51:22 AM PDT by Condor51 (Rudy makes John Kerry look like a Right Wing 'Gun Nut' Extremist)
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California is not a good example of will’s theory because it will NEVER again vote Republican, even if clinton ran as a Republican. The very people who would consider voting GOP move out everyday. The state is now all but a part of Mexico and abortion is not an issue. More children mean more welfare so “We don’t need no stinking abortions, gingo.”


7 posted on 10/28/2007 7:53:25 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatives live in the truth. Liberals live in lies.)
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What a man believes and what he stands on is called “character”, of which Guiliani is sorely lacking. Perhaps Will needs to get some too.
9 posted on 10/28/2007 7:58:20 AM PDT by dforest (Duncan Hunter is the best hope we have on both fronts.)
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Hmm . . . George Will said evolution is a fact get over it!

I am so glad that gone are the days when conservatives only had this marginal voice to occasionally agree before the days of alternate media!
10 posted on 10/28/2007 8:02:26 AM PDT by RushingWater (Pres. Bush honors Mexican sovereignty over our own - Pardon Ramos/Campeon/Hernandez)
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Open borders George Will... has been paid for by the left wing media over the years...


13 posted on 10/28/2007 8:08:40 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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"But regarding abortion itself, what a candidate thinks about abortion rights is not especially important."

I don't believe whoever the next president is and whoever he nominates to the S.C. will make any difference to Roe v. Wade. The only significance of what the "candidate thinks about abortion rights" will be whether the Republican party lives or dies. It cannot exist with any hope of winning elections as the 2nd "pro-choice" party, but then that's probably fine with the Geo. Will types.

14 posted on 10/28/2007 8:09:02 AM PDT by penowa
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This is one of those pieces designed to lure fence-sitters into deciding it's OK to vote for Rudy because "he can win."

It seems George Will, a tool of the establishment, is in the tank for Rudy.

15 posted on 10/28/2007 9:38:39 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Pope to politicians: "(Do) not to allow children to be considered as a form of illness.")
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Will tries to minimize the argument that only Rudi can win Blue states pretty well.

I think Will still favors Rudi overall but not on the winning-Blue-states argument.

Will also doesn’t like the Religious Right much. But he dislikes even more that issues like abortion dictate the votes of so many folks. So sending it back to the states would clear the decks for Congress, the White House and the Court so that so many votes and so many choices are not dictated by a party’s stand on abortion or a candidate’s stand on abortion.

It does make a lot of sense.


16 posted on 10/28/2007 10:02:05 AM PDT by George W. Bush (Apres moi, le deluge.)
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(Do We Barf George Will?)

Whether or not we should “barf” George should rightly be left to the individual states, not left to national “ukases”.

The pro-Will camp reminds us how George used to commit his talent in pursuit of conservative aims and ambitions, and, as conservatives, we should honor that (lost) tradition.

The anti-Will folks note that, whatever skills Will had as a writer have been lost in a miasma of mixed messages that only casually embrace conservatism.

In the end, we are left with another George Will Ricecake - colorless, flavorless, and ultimately unsatisfying. He posits that politicians, being politicians after all, might not fulfill a promise (nominate pro-life judicial candidates) and render the question of what said candidate would do as a SCOTUS moot. Wow! I think I’ll stay home and not waste my time voting at all!

Ultimately whether to barf Will must remain a personal choice. We must place some faith in human conscience and reason to do the right thing!


17 posted on 10/28/2007 10:15:30 AM PDT by rockrr (Global warming is to science what Islam is to religion)
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The final line of Will's opinion piece: "But regarding abortion itself, what a candidate thinks about abortion rights is not especially important." In other words, "Social conservatives, get over the idea that you have any meaningful say in who the Republican nominee is. Rudy's going to get it, and you and your issues have become completely irrelevant."

It's hard to say who I dislike more on "This Week", Step-on-all-of-us for enabling the Clinton administration, or Will for going turncoat on us.

18 posted on 10/28/2007 10:29:30 AM PDT by hunter112 (Change will happen when very good men are forced to do very bad things.)
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:’) self-ping. If California allocates its votes among candidates, rather than sticking with winner take all, not sure Will’s point holds. self-ping.


19 posted on 10/28/2007 11:06:03 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, October 22, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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A president makes a big difference in national policies and funding.

Aside from that, George Will is clueless, because the whole point is to return the issue to the states. I would be perfectly happy to see it outlawed nationally, as any form of murder of the innocent should be outlawed, but even murder is actually outlawed at the state level.

Most anti-abortion workers feel they could convince on a state level (even in California!), but the Court has effectively prevented them from doing so. Since the President appoints the Justices, then he also has an impact on abortion from that side. So the President really does matter, and we need to know his opinion on this issue.


21 posted on 10/28/2007 11:15:40 AM PDT by livius
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“Do We Barf George Will?”

Only if he deserves it.


22 posted on 10/28/2007 11:25:14 AM PDT by ChessExpert (Reagan dismantled the Russian empire of 21 conquered nations)
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... one of the nation's most common surgical procedures ...

This says more about American society than it does about Giuliani or any other one politician.

23 posted on 10/28/2007 11:35:16 AM PDT by Salman
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But regarding abortion itself, what a candidate thinks about abortion rights is not especially important.

This is patent nonsense. Presidents wield the veto, the bully pulpit and foreign policy. All three of which can have profound effects on the direction of the abortion debate.

So yeah, a barf alert may well have been in order.

27 posted on 10/28/2007 2:08:03 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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Core Conservative Beliefs
American Thinker | October 27, 2007 | Bookworm
Posted on 10/28/2007 3:02:02 PM EDT by neverdem
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Rudy, the Values Slayer
(A Barf But He Has A Point And A Question For Social Conservatives)
New York Times | 28 October 2007 | Frank Rich
Posted on 10/28/2007 8:57:38 AM EDT by shrinkermd
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For the GOP, a New Breed of Governor (Bobby Jindal, A Conservative Who Can Win)
Washington Post | 28 October 2007 | David S. Broder
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33 posted on 10/28/2007 6:04:15 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Monday, October 22, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Articles like these are hypnotic, soothing....

vote for rudy, vote for rudy...

relax your principles, vote for rudy...

34 posted on 10/28/2007 11:38:52 PM PDT by Dumb_Ox (http://kevinjjones.blogspot.com)
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