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Surfer dude stuns physicists with theory of everything
Telegraph.co.uk ^ | 14 Nov 2007 | Roger Highfield

Posted on 11/14/2007 11:33:43 AM PST by snarks_when_bored

Surfer dude stuns physicists with theory of everything


By Roger Highfield, Science Editor
Last Updated: 6:01pm GMT 14/11/2007

An impoverished surfer has drawn up a new theory of the universe, seen by some as the Holy Grail of physics, which as received rave reviews from scientists.

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The E8 pattern (left), Garrett Lisi surfing (middle) and out of the water (right)

Garrett Lisi, 39, has a doctorate but no university affiliation and spends most of the year surfing in Hawaii, where he has also been a hiking guide and bridge builder (when he slept in a jungle yurt).

In winter, he heads to the mountains near Lake Tahoe, Nevada, where he snowboards. "Being poor sucks," Lisi says. "It's hard to figure out the secrets of the universe when you're trying to figure out where you and your girlfriend are going to sleep next month."

Despite this unusual career path, his proposal is remarkable because, by the arcane standards of particle physics, it does not require highly complex mathematics.

Even better, it does not require more than one dimension of time and three of space, when some rival theories need ten or even more spatial dimensions and other bizarre concepts. And it may even be possible to test his theory, which predicts a host of new particles, perhaps even using the new Large Hadron Collider atom smasher that will go into action near Geneva next year.

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Although the work of 39 year old Garrett Lisi still has a way to go to convince the establishment, let alone match the achievements of Albert Einstein, the two do have one thing in common: Einstein also began his great adventure in theoretical physics while outside the mainstream scientific establishment, working as a patent officer, though failed to achieve the Holy Grail, an overarching explanation to unite all the particles and forces of the cosmos.

Now Lisi, currently in Nevada, has come up with a proposal to do this. Lee Smolin at the Perimeter Institute for Theoretical Physics in Waterloo, Ontario, Canada, describes Lisi's work as "fabulous". "It is one of the most compelling unification models I've seen in many, many years," he says.

"Although he cultivates a bit of a surfer-guy image its clear he has put enormous effort and time into working the complexities of this structure out over several years," Prof Smolin tells The Telegraph.

"Some incredibly beautiful stuff falls out of Lisi's theory," adds David Ritz Finkelstein at the Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta. "This must be more than coincidence and he really is touching on something profound."

The new theory reported today in New Scientist has been laid out in an online paper entitled "An Exceptionally Simple Theory of Everything" by Lisi, who completed his doctorate in theoretical physics in 1999 at the University of California, San Diego.

He has high hopes that his new theory could provide what he says is a "radical new explanation" for the three decade old Standard Model, which weaves together three of the four fundamental forces of nature: the electromagnetic force; the strong force, which binds quarks together in atomic nuclei; and the weak force, which controls radioactive decay.

The reason for the excitement is that Lisi's model also takes account of gravity, a force that has only successfully been included by a rival and highly fashionable idea called string theory, one that proposes particles are made up of minute strings, which is highly complex and elegant but has lacked predictions by which to do experiments to see if it works.

But some are taking a cooler view. Prof Marcus du Sautoy told the Telegraph: "The proposal in this paper looks a long shot and there seem to be a lot things still to fill in."

And a colleague Eric Weinstein in America added: "Lisi seems like a hell of a guy. I'd love to meet him. But my friend Lee Smolin is betting on a very very long shot."

Lisi's inspiration lies in the most elegant and intricate shape known to mathematics, called E8 - a complex, eight-dimensional mathematical pattern with 248 points first found in 1887, but only fully understood by mathematicians this year after workings, that, if written out in tiny print, would cover an area the size of Manhattan.

E8 encapsulates the symmetries of a geometric object that is 57-dimensional and is itself is 248-dimensional. Lisi says "I think our universe is this beautiful shape."

What makes E8 so exciting is that Nature also seems to have embedded it at the heart of many bits of physics. One interpretation of why we have such a quirky list of fundamental particles is because they all result from different facets of the strange symmetries of E8.

Lisi's breakthrough came when he noticed that some of the equations describing E8's structure matched his own. "My brain exploded with the implications and the beauty of the thing," he tells New Scientist. "I thought: 'Holy crap, that's it!'"

What Lisi had realised was that he could find a way to place the various elementary particles and forces on E8's 248 points. What remained was 20 gaps which he filled with notional particles, for example those that some physicists predict to be associated with gravity.

Physicists have long puzzled over why elementary particles appear to belong to families, but this arises naturally from the geometry of E8, he says. So far, all the interactions predicted by the complex geometrical relationships inside E8 match with observations in the real world. "How cool is that?" he says.

The crucial test of Lisi's work will come only when he has made testable predictions. Lisi is now calculating the masses that the 20 new particles should have, in the hope that they may be spotted when the Large Hadron Collider starts up.

"The theory is very young, and still in development," he told the Telegraph. "Right now, I'd assign a low (but not tiny) likelyhood to this prediction.

"For comparison, I think the chances are higher that LHC will see some of these particles than it is that the LHC will see superparticles, extra dimensions, or micro black holes as predicted by string theory. I hope to get more (and different) predictions, with more confidence, out of this E8 Theory over the next year, before the LHC comes online."



TOPICS: Extended News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: maybeyesmaybeno; physics; science; stringtheory; surfer; theoryofeverything
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To: RightWhale
This was in a thread a while ago.

You might be thinking about the mathematical results on E8 that were announced several months ago. Check the Highfield link in my post #1...

121 posted on 11/14/2007 2:04:01 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored

Reported in the “New Scientist”? Isn’t this like 1 step up from Scientific American? (Which in turn is 1 step up from Popular Science”).

I think these days in physics real results are published in one of those WWW based archival media - people assert their right of ownership by posting on the web and skipping the peer review step of conventional journals.

But “New Scientist”? Maybe I’m wrong, but I would have thought that this was not exactly where major advances appear.


122 posted on 11/14/2007 2:04:08 PM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: snarks_when_bored; All

...reminds me of a TV show I saw about 10 years or so ago....I think John Stossel interviewed a guy who was a bartender in Long Island was tested and his IQ was off the charts....he lived in a little concrete block home off the backyard of another house...didn’t own a car...and his Harley wouldn’t start. He busied himself in his off hours writing a book on “The theory of everything”....

They never did a follow-up show about him and I never heard anything else in print or TV about the guy.


123 posted on 11/14/2007 2:05:08 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

There’s a link to an Archiv pre-print of Lisi’s paper in my post #1...


124 posted on 11/14/2007 2:06:05 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

‘arXiv pre-print’, I meant to write...


125 posted on 11/14/2007 2:08:23 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: taxed2death

I think I remember reading an article about that guy (and several other high-I.Q. under-achievers)...


126 posted on 11/14/2007 2:09:25 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: snarks_when_bored

Ok - agree that the archiv looks legit - also reminds me of the guru who walks up to the hot dog stand vendor and says “Make me one with everything”.


127 posted on 11/14/2007 2:10:03 PM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: WoofDog123

“a doctorate in theoretical physics.”

Man, I’m thinking that that involves some study time along the way.


128 posted on 11/14/2007 2:11:27 PM PST by TalBlack
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To: snarks_when_bored

“Mr. Lisi, what do you think of the theories of Stephen Hawking and Isaac Newton?”

“Oh, those guys are fags!”


129 posted on 11/14/2007 2:13:39 PM PST by RockinRight (Just because you're pro-life and talk about God a lot doesn't mean you're a conservative.)
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To: wolfcreek

So he’s the guy making all the crop circles, I’ll be darned.

I dream of E8 every single night but can never remember the details when I awake. This guy must have sucked them from my dream. Thief!

Pretty design though.


130 posted on 11/14/2007 2:15:46 PM PST by billygoatgruff
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To: SunkenCiv

I see my 2 favorite cosmologists have been pinged, but not SunkCiv


131 posted on 11/14/2007 2:19:47 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: Sudetenland
Dude! Are you not familiar with 42? X42 - Bill Clinton - Slick - Wee Willy.

42 can't be the answer because the question SUCKS!

:)

132 posted on 11/14/2007 2:21:16 PM PST by AFreeBird (Will NOT vote for Rudy. <--- notice the period)
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To: snarks_when_bored

While we’re on theories of everything, here’s one I found interesting recently and it didn’t get much interest.

SubQuantum Kinetics, wide ranging unifying cosmology theory by Dr. Paul LaViolette
THE STARBURST FOUNDATION ^ | January 2007 | Dr. Paul LaViolette
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1884938/posts

Posted on 08/22/2007 12:00:43 PM PDT by Kevmo


133 posted on 11/14/2007 2:23:14 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: RockinRight

HAAAAAAA HAAAaaaaa


134 posted on 11/14/2007 2:31:24 PM PST by daku ("My dream continues with ferocity, thank you.")
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To: Skip Ripley
"It's all about the boobies"

The Universe revolves around boobies - there's little debate about that ;)
135 posted on 11/14/2007 2:34:12 PM PST by reagan_fanatic (Ron Paul put the cuckoo in my Cocoa Puffs)
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To: snarks_when_bored

Dude, like I have a theory of everything too, dude. Why don’t anybody write about me in the newspapers, huh, dude?!


136 posted on 11/14/2007 2:35:43 PM PST by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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To: Hardastarboard; Greg F

The E8 looks like a potholder.
It looks like a doily, not a potholder. I have disproven your theory with one simple, elegant rebuttal

Greg F proved he is a guy, because no guy knows what a doily is. So Greg F was correct using guy terminology.


137 posted on 11/14/2007 2:39:03 PM PST by art_rocks
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To: Syncro
Didn't Einstien surf?


"Why of course not since Al Gore did not invent the Internet yet. I myself came up with the a geometric object that is 57-dimensional and 248-dimensional while surfing for celestrial porn, I called the "Frink Cellestaion Orgasminism"...mu-haay!

138 posted on 11/14/2007 2:42:23 PM PST by Bommer ("He that controls the spice controls the universe!" (unfortunately that spice is Nutmeg!)
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To: zot

Ping.


139 posted on 11/14/2007 2:43:03 PM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: snarks_when_bored

So far, all the interactions predicted by the complex geometrical relationships inside E8 match with observations in the real world. “How cool is that?”
***Bookmark for later reference.


140 posted on 11/14/2007 3:02:28 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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