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FBI raids Liberty Dollar office-confiscates Ron Paul Dollars
http://www.rabidquill.com/ ^ | Nov 15, 2007 | "BJT"

Posted on 11/15/2007 7:50:21 AM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder

Frontal Assault on Freedom: FBI Raids Liberty Dollar Posted by BJT on Nov 15, 2007 Read this email closely. I just got it this morning. Those of you who consider the gold standard a quaint anachronism, pay extra close attention. If Ron Paul supporters, gold standard advocates and the Liberty Dollar were nothing but harmless kooks, why would the FBI raid their offices when no crime was ever committed? This is a currency competing with the USD, yes, but they never, but never make the claim that it is legal tender or anything other than what it is: private currency. And private currencies are numerous in the USA.

No. This raid happened because the Liberty Dollar, the second most popular currency in the country, threatens to usurp the entrenched power of the Fed’s Almighty Dollar. People can see the buying power of the greenback eroding, and they will choose something else if it is available, and the Liberty Dollar is ready and waiting. And that’s why the government must resort to force in order to protect its stranglehold on the economy.

From Liberty Dollar Headquarters: Dear Liberty Dollar Supporters:

I sincerely regret to inform you that about 8:00 this morning a dozen FBI and Secret Service agents raided the Liberty Dollar office in Evansville.

For approximately six hours they took all the gold, all the silver, all the platinum and almost two tons of Ron Paul Dollars that where just delivered last Friday. They also took all the files, all the computers and froze our bank accounts.

We have no money. We have no products. We have no records to even know what was ordered or what you are owed. We have nothing but the will to push forward and overcome this massive assault on our liberty and our right to have real money as defined by the US Constitution. We should not to be defrauded by the fake government money.

But to make matters worse, all the gold and silver that backs up the paper certificates and digital currency held in the vault at Sunshine Mint has also been confiscated. Even the dies for mint the Gold and Silver Libertys have been taken.

This in spite of the fact that Edmond C. Moy, the Director of the Mint, acknowledged in a letter to a US Senator that the paper certificates did not violate Section 486 and were not illegal. But the FBI and Services took all the paper currency too.

The possibility of such action was the reason the Liberty Dollar was designed so that the vast majority of the money was in specie form and in the people’s hands. Of the $20 million Liberty Dollars, only about a million is in paper or digital form.

I regret that if you are due an order. It may be some time until it will be filled… if ever… it now all depends on our actions.

Everyone who has an unfulfilled order or has digital or paper currency should band together for a class action suit and demand redemption. We cannot allow the government to steal our money! Please don’t let this happen!!! Many of you read the articles quoting the government and Federal Reserve officials that the Liberty Dollar was legal. You did nothing wrong. You are legally entitled to your property. Let us use this terrible act to band together and further our goal – to return America to a value based currency.

Please forward this important Alert… so everyone who possess or use the Liberty Dollar is aware of the situation.

Please click HERE to sign up for the class action lawsuit and get your property back!

If the above link does not work you can access the page by copying the following into your web browser. http://www.libertydollar.org/classaction/index.php

Thanks again for your support at this darkest time as the damn government and their dollar sinks to a new low.

Bernard von NotHaus


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: bananas; currency; evillittlegnome; fiat; gold; kooks; libertydollar; norfed; nothaus; nutz; paulestinians; paultards; retreadalert; ronpaul; silver; sniff; zotbait
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To: Erik Latranyi
It's based on the speculative value of what we produce. Ie; debt.

If you base a currency off of more than one commodity, it ties it to things of real value and actual production. This isn't a bad thing.

For those hording, wouldn't it just make what was still in circulation that much more valuable? How is that "bad"?

181 posted on 11/15/2007 8:50:52 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: SJackson
It is "real money" minted in pure silver and copper that exchanges dollar-for-dollar with the US war dollar. It is dedicated to establishing peace and bringing our boys home. The 2008 Peace Dollar has a face value of ten "Liberty Dollars" and contains one-half ounce of pure .999 fine silver. The $1 Copper Peace Dollar contains one ounce of pure copper.

That is one boldfaced scam, anyway!

On the date that this press release was issued, one-half ounce of silver was worth $6.91!

That's a 45% markup over the price of silver!

On the same date, an ounce of copper was worth 24 cents - that's a 417% markup!

This guy was making a killing separating idiots from their legal tender.

And, amazingly, I would guess that 100% of his customers considered themselves economically shrewder and better-informed than "the sheeple."

182 posted on 11/15/2007 8:51:30 AM PST by wideawake (Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
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To: mnehrling

Other than the silver or gold content of the medallions, they are no more or less significant than gold and silver jewelry. They are not legal tender, and may be refused as payment for debts. I suppose you could accept them as exchange in barter in the same manner I might trade a lawn mower with my neighbor in exchange for a leaf blower. But beyond a private transaction of that nature between two parties, the medallions are not money in the legal sense of the term.


183 posted on 11/15/2007 8:51:45 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: Erik Latranyi
A commodity-based currency is subject to manipulation far easier than our currency is today.

As well as outside various banking and money laundering legislation.

184 posted on 11/15/2007 8:51:56 AM PST by SJackson (every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and figtree, none to make him afraid,)
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To: DoughtyOne
Paul is selling the notes and claiming they are as valid as U.S. Currency.

Paul is what?

Please show where Paul was selling liberty dollars. The only thing about Paul in the story is that his likeness was on some of the new coins.

185 posted on 11/15/2007 8:54:13 AM PST by ksen ("For an omniscient and omnipotent God, there are no Plan B's" - Frumanchu)
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To: mnehrling

What if the rounds of silver, copper etc are used only for barter? Barter is not an attempt to establish tender, legal or otherwise. It is simply trade at its most elemental. Like swapping a nail-gun for an old car. Or two families trading baby-sitting services. Or trading a vote for a fridge full of money.

But is the act of barter illegal in your United States? I can see how the IRS would want it to be. But if it isn’t then these people have been robbed.


186 posted on 11/15/2007 8:54:25 AM PST by agere_contra (Do not confuse the wealth of nations with the wealth of government - FDT)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

LOL!


187 posted on 11/15/2007 8:56:01 AM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: mnehrling
Really? I see a lot of blaming Paul for these:

"There's no reason, short of a gag order, that Paul can't publish the warrant."

"Prawned Paul Ping"

"What are Ron Paul dollars backed by? The full faith and credit of Ron Paul?"

"Ron Paul 08’ - all the appearances of a dangerous cult."

"In this instance Paul seems to claim these are even better than U.S. currency. Ron, I may think our currency is somewhat problematic, but that being said I think someone would have to be absolutely nuts to think yours were more reliable. I may be as wrong as I can be, but it looks to me like Ron Paul is getting nuttier by the minute."

I guess some of your buddies aren't as observant as you are.

188 posted on 11/15/2007 8:56:47 AM PST by Turbopilot (iumop ap!sdn w,I 'aw dlaH)
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To: agere_contra

That is a ‘what if’, but the what if is different than what this group was claiming. They were advertising and selling it as an alternate currency. Currency is the key word. We can what if and compare it to gift cards all day long, but the fraud comes in how it is being sold.


189 posted on 11/15/2007 8:57:18 AM PST by mnehring (I am free not to support Ron Paul... Wow, I feel special...)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

I would think they are more likely to end up in trouble for minting coins than they are for printing paper. But the feds could be going after them for operating an unregulated bank. Of course, the government likes those ever popular mail and wire fraud charges, and they are usually fairly easy to prosecute.

So I don’t want to go too far out on a limb predicting charges at this point.

But I agree - selling $15 worth of silver for $20 probably isn’t illegal. But if you want to pay be with some of the ‘peace’ money, I’d probably discount it for both value, and, in the case of paper, risk.


190 posted on 11/15/2007 8:57:37 AM PST by PAR35
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To: underground
Many other nations use the term “dollar” to describe their currency so I don’t think that’s the issue and certainly use of the terms “Trust in God” or “Negotiable” are not against any laws. As I said in a prior post, I do believe putting “USA” on the coins was their mistake and is probably considered counterfeiting by the FBI.
191 posted on 11/15/2007 8:57:41 AM PST by Rockitz (This isn't rocket science- Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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To: Red Badger
Yes, the Congress has the power to coin money, but it’s not exclusive is it?...............

If the powers listed in Article I, section 8 are not exclusive to Congress, then I have the power to (among other things) collect taxes, borrow money on the credit of the U.S., and declare war.

192 posted on 11/15/2007 8:58:26 AM PST by King of Florida (A little government and a little luck are necessary in life, but only a fool trusts either of them.)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Is there a list of businesses that will take the “Peace Dollar”?

Just wanted to know who I should be boycotting.


193 posted on 11/15/2007 9:00:40 AM PST by ElectricStrawberry (1/27 Wolfhounds...cut in half during the Clinton years.)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
Every time I go to the grocery store I see people paying with paper that is not US currency. Other than checks I see all kinds of food stamps and other types of certificates used. Why couldn't the store accept a Ron Paul (or other named) private currency? I may accept the currency but not Ron Paul himself.
194 posted on 11/15/2007 9:01:05 AM PST by FreePaul
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Personally, I am strongly against Paul in the GOP campaign, but if this story is true, then I have a big problem with the feds raiding his office and behaving this way. It is way over the line, and wreaks of police state tactics. I hope Paul can use whatever congressional leverage he has and haul the FBI director before a committee for an explanation.


195 posted on 11/15/2007 9:01:25 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (“We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!” --Duncan Hunter)
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To: King of Florida

Okay, just asking. You could do it, those things, but I doubt you’d be let run around loose for long. Men with white coats would come and take you to a “Happy Place”..............


196 posted on 11/15/2007 9:01:29 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: mnehrling

Yes, reading the article, you seem to be right. They were claiming all kinds of specie-like abilities for their metal rounds. Barter this isn’t.


197 posted on 11/15/2007 9:02:24 AM PST by agere_contra (Do not confuse the wealth of nations with the wealth of government - FDT)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
Like the recent efforts to indict Bernard Kerik, Rudy Giuliani’s friend and business associate, the decision to raid the headquarters of this particular pro-Ron Paul “gold bug” appears to be politically motivated. One suspects that some influential persons in the Administration neither want Giuliani as the Republican presidential nominee nor have Paul be anything more than a marginal gadfly on the order of Alan Keyes.
198 posted on 11/15/2007 9:02:35 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: SwankyC

Just creative thinking............never, ever, take me seriously. My wife sure doesn’t..............


199 posted on 11/15/2007 9:02:41 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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#2 - Best Offer is to become a Liberty Associate for $250. Why exchange Federal Reserve Notes (US dollars) on a dollar-for-dollar basis when you can get the Liberty Dollars at a discount and use them at a profit. Want to earn money, do good and have more fun? Then become a Liberty Associate for $250. You will immediately receive $100 Liberty Dollars and all your future currency exchanges will be at the special discounted Associate Rate that is posted at the top of the Liberty Dollar home page. Plus you can earn a $100 Referral for every Associate you sponsor. Sponsor only two people and you are now up $50 and you are on your way to making a significant difference to our country and its money. All three bonuses are also included with the Best Offer. Click here to become a Liberty Associate.

#3 - Shopping Cart: The shopping cart has a complete selection of Liberty Dollars in metal, paper and digital, plus all the collateral materials including brochures, merchant displays, counter mats, books, t-shirts, decals, bumper stickers, even collectors issues, etc. Click here to browse all our products.

Please Contact Us...

If you have any problems or wish to speak to someone, please call 1.888.LIB.DOLLAR or call direct at 888.421.6181. If the lines are busy, please leave a message or email us at Info@LibertyDollar.org and we will get back to you ASAP.

Fax and Mail Order Forms

Click here to print out SPECIAL OFFER #1 order form and mail or fax your order. Simply print this order form out and send it with your payment of $107. This amount includes shipping and handling.

Please keep in mind that when you order online you will get the fastest service and you don't have to wait for the arrival of your order to start having fun!

I look forward to getting an email from you. I want to hear how you used the Liberty Dollar and add your Success Story to our list. Even though I get an enormous amount of mail, please write to me. I love hearing every Success Story when you use the Liberty Dollar.

Sincerely,

Bernard von NotHaus

Bernard von NotHaus
Monetary Architect

P.S. Remember, I have guaranteed your SPECIAL OFFER with a 100% Money Back Guarantee for a full year. PLUS you will receive the three special bonuses. You will have 365 risk free days to test out the Liberty Dollar.

Time is critical as the price of silver changes all the time. Luckily the price of silver is still low and affords an excellent entry level. Order today so your money will be protected tomorrow. The Liberty Dollar provides a proven positive REAL money solution that actually pays you to use it. Plus you can earn more money, do good, and have fun with the Liberty Dollar.

Your money has already lost 96% of its purchasing power since the Federal Reserve was created in 1913. With the accelerating rate of depreciation and the alarming rate of deficit spending by the government, your US dollar is going to lose more purchasing power. Protect your money, family, and business by getting REAL money, the new gold and silver Liberty Dollar, now. Become a Liberty Associate today and start profiting from inflation.

 


200 posted on 11/15/2007 9:03:44 AM PST by SJackson (every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and figtree, none to make him afraid,)
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