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Walking a Tightrope on Immigration
NY Times ^ | November 18, 2007 | MICHAEL LUO

Posted on 11/17/2007 11:57:36 PM PST by neverdem

THE Republican presidential candidates talk about illegal immigration as if they were in an arms race on toughness. The Democratic candidates have begun to tread more warily on the issue, as their debate last week in Las Vegas showed, but they still favor the language of accommodation over alarm.

Concern About Illegal Immigration Each approach, political strategists and officials warn, could have costs next November. Pollsters on both sides agree there is widespread anxiety, even anger, about the impact of illegal immigration. But an increasingly influential Hispanic electorate could be turned off by a hard line from the party they turned to in increasing numbers in the last two presidential elections.

Much will depend, strategists say, on how the candidates balance their statements.

“A Republican who only talks border control or a Democrat who only talks about benefits and services for illegal immigrants are going to find themselves in a lot of trouble next fall,” said Dan Schnur, a Republican strategist who worked on Senator John McCain’s presidential bid in 2000.

Looking at the Republicans at this point, it is often hard to find much difference among most of the leading contenders. They sound just as tough as the candidate who has been the angriest on immigration, Representative Tom Tancredo of Colorado, whose shoestring campaign recently began to run a television commercial in Iowa declaring that Islamic terrorists roam free in the United States because of an unsecured border.

The Republicans have railed against “amnesty” and “sanctuary cities.” They have promised to build a fence on the Mexican border to keep “illegals” out.

“The ratcheting up of the language to win the Iowa caucuses may seem like the thing to do, but we’ll pay a price,” said John Weaver, a Republican strategist who worked for Mr. McCain’s presidential campaign...

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: aliens; election2008; illegalimmigrants; immigrantlist; immigration; rico

1 posted on 11/17/2007 11:57:37 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem
thats interesting...Iowa and New Hampshire has illegals now ?

thats probably about the poll results you would have got in California in 1950, nowadays the illegal alien situation in CA is beyond hopeless to control so the answer would prolly be "not at all, were almost all illegal aliens"

2 posted on 11/18/2007 12:12:39 AM PST by KTM rider (..left or right,......... socialist, or socialist light ?)
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To: neverdem

The candidate who promises to deport 90 percent of illegal aliens within six months of his inauguration will walk away with the election.


3 posted on 11/18/2007 12:36:01 AM PST by dsc
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To: KTM rider
thats interesting...Iowa and New Hampshire has illegals now ?

Are you kidding? They're all over the place... Like cockroaches.

4 posted on 11/18/2007 1:19:34 AM PST by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: dsc
The candidate who promises to deport 90 percent of illegal aliens within six months of his inauguration will walk away with the election.

Damn straight. Seventy-seven per-cent of the population are against illegal immigrants.

5 posted on 11/18/2007 1:20:46 AM PST by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: neverdem
I few observations from my recent visit back home.

The Balkanization of America

6 posted on 11/18/2007 1:29:44 AM PST by expatguy (Support Conservative Blogging - "An American Expat in Southeast Asia")
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To: neverdem
“A Republican who only talks border control or a Democrat who only talks about benefits and services for illegal immigrants are going to find themselves in a lot of trouble next fall,” said Dan Schnur, a Republican strategist who worked on Senator John McCain’s presidential bid in 2000.

The Times finds its usual suspect "Republican" to support their assertion, and who does he turn out to be, one of McCain's people. What did they expect the guy to say? The only "tightrope" here is the noose around the neck of Democrat candidates who don't reject the party line.

7 posted on 11/18/2007 1:32:40 AM PST by pawdoggie
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To: pawdoggie
The only "tightrope" here is the noose around the neck of Democrat candidates who don't reject the party line.

Yep, this is not the 1st time I have see this spin being put out the last few days. Seems Clinton Inc, via their lapdogs in the Junk Media like Poddle Blitzer, are trying to put out the spin that the Republicans are the ones in trouble over immigration. That is exactly 180 degrees from the truth. I work with a number of pretty knee jerk Leftist blue collar Labor Union Democrats and they are seriously pissed about Illegals. Whether they are pissed enough to fight off a life time of political indoctrination and vote Republican, I doubt. But they may get pissed enough about Illegals to stay home in Nov 2008.

8 posted on 11/18/2007 2:57:02 AM PST by MNJohnnie (FUND THE WAR! DEFUND THE PORK!)
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To: MNJohnnie

I agree, especially if lower middle class Dem voters ever figure out that illegal immigration is depressing their wages and hurting them as they try to get a foothold up the economic ladder. Illegals in this country hurt us all, but they most directly affect the prosperity of marginally-educated minority young people. If the lower classes ever figure out that the Dem party will gladly trade their economic opportunity for votes from illegals, watch out.


9 posted on 11/18/2007 4:53:30 AM PST by LadyNavyVet
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To: neverdem

These numbers tend to confirm that the rat party in N.H. has been taken over by democrat scummers who, having completed their mission to destroy Taxachusetts are now trying their best to destroy a once rock ribbed conservative state like New Hampshire. They are leaving the mess of Boston and infecting N.H.


10 posted on 11/18/2007 5:15:56 AM PST by jmaroneps37 (Conservatives live in the truth. Liberals live in lies.)
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To: LadyNavyVet
A republican candidate could win hearts and minds and slam dunk the election on both sides by accusing the dems of stabbing unions and black minorities in the back by supporting illegal immigration.

Then give a weak promise to be fair and balanced about making immigrants legal so as not to lose their big money lobbyists who want the illegals to man the fast food fryers...d:^D

11 posted on 11/18/2007 11:15:36 AM PST by KTM rider (..left or right,......... socialist, or socialist light ?)
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To: neverdem
Illegal immigration bump



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12 posted on 11/18/2007 12:06:27 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: neverdem

Here’s my standard post. We can do something about Illegal immigration.

RICO —Citizen Recourse
Private persons and entities may initiate civil suits to obtain injunctions and treble damages against enterprises that conspire to or actually violate federal alien smuggling, harboring, or document fraud statutes, under the Racketeer-Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO). The pattern of racketeering activity is defined as commission of two or more of the listed crimes. A RICO enterprise can be any individual legal entity, or a group of individuals who are not a legal entity but are associated in fact, and can include nonprofit associations.

Here’s what I’ve been pushing: it’s time to file Racketeering, Influencing, and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) lawsuits. RICO lawyers could turn it around in a few years and MAKE MONEY at the same time. I’m surprised they haven’t done it already.

In the absence of enforcement, we can get the word out in the meantime that there is money to be made in filing RICO lawsuits against employers who hire illegal aliens.

Employers would have no trouble shutting down the border if they could get sued by someone under the RICO statutes for hiring these people in the first place. The next time an illegal alien kills someone in a drunk driving accident or somesuch thing, I’m going to point out that the victim’s family might be able to seek compensation from the employer under these statutes in the hopes that it would catch on. If this did catch on, would see such a swift backlash against illegal immigration that no employer would go near these people and they’ll all simply want to go back home.

IRS Reporting

REWARD FOR REPORTING EMPLOYERS OF ILLEGAL ALIENS

CALL THE IRS HOTLINE 1-800-829-0433 YOU MAY BE ENTITLED TO A REWARD

Call the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) hotline 1-800-829-0433 to report all
suspected employers of illegal aliens-—you are not required to identify
yourself and may be entitled to a reward. The Application for Reward ( Form 211 http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f211.pdf)
can be downloaded from http://www.irs. gov or call 1-800-829-3676. The IRS does
not take kindly to employers that seek to evade taxes by paying cash for day
labor-this is a common practice at construction sites. Report the employer`s
license plate number and any other information you may have. Employers usually
can’t run and take the hit in their wallets. Follow up with the IRS and ask
what action is being taken; if they refuse to cooperate, notify the press and
your elected officials. Do your part-—spread the word-—help make this
nationwide campaign a success!!!

Hunter is the best candidate on Immigration.

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Why the smart money is on Duncan Hunter
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1926032/posts
Posted on 11/15/2007 3:43:17 AM PST by Kevmo

Hunter’s criticism of Thompson over this issue is well aimed. We need someone in the white house who isn’t a johnny-come-lately on this issue.
Road to Des Moines Conversions on Immigration (Hunter Press release)
News Which Cannot Lose ^ | 10/25/07 | Duncan Hunter/staff
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1916889/posts


13 posted on 11/18/2007 8:32:01 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: wardaddy; Joe Brower; Cannoneer No. 4; Criminal Number 18F; Dan from Michigan; Eaker; Jeff Head; ...
This illegal alien issue can't come across as anti-Latino or anti-Hispanic. It's a matter of law and order as well as national security when Islamists want to harm the U.S. It's a matter of voter fraud with "Motor Voter" voter registration. It's a matter of financing entitlement benefits when schools are busting at the seams, and hospitals are closing.

Illegal immigration hurts Dems

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From time to time, I’ll ping on noteworthy articles about politics, foreign and military affairs. FReepmail me if you want on or off my list.

14 posted on 11/18/2007 9:23:25 PM PST by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: expatguy
The Hispanic Challenge By Samuel P. Huntington
15 posted on 11/18/2007 9:28:45 PM PST by kabar
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To: neverdem; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...

Thanks neverdem.


16 posted on 11/19/2007 8:00:33 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Sunday, November 18, 2007"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'"'https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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