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Who Will Drop Out When? The future of the Republican Primaries
Statistics from Real Clear Politics ^ | 12/3/2007 | Self

Posted on 12/03/2007 7:11:08 PM PST by Forgiven_Sinner

A topic I have not seen discussed on FR is "Who will drop out when?". This is of paramount importance, for the drop out will probably recommend one of the remaining candidates. This is key to Fred Thompson's campaign strategy.

I've cherry picked some polls from Real Clear Politics to go along with my opinion.

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Here's how I see it playing out. In Iowa, Huckabee and Romney will be 1-2 with Fred in at 3. Rudy will be an embarrassed 4th. McCain will be further embarrassed at 5th.

Paul, Hunter, and Tancredo will bring up the rear.

Will anyone drop after Iowa? Depends on their funds. NH follows five days later Paul will not drop out. Hunter has said he's in for the long haul. That leaves Tancredo. I expect him to drop out first, either after Iowa or NH. Will he recommend Hunter or Thompson? Ideologically, he's closest to Hunter, but he might recommend Thompson because he's the top conservative. If he does before NH, that'll give Fred a little boost.

In NH, Fred is fighting Paul for 4th place. Romney is well ahead, followed by Guiliani and McCain fighting for second. I expect a lot of attacks between now and then. Hunter isn't even listed in the NH poll I saw on Real Clear Politics. I expect it to go Romney, Guiliani, McCain, Thompson, Paul.

Pretend Hunter does drop out--whom will he support? Thompson I believe.

Michigan is next, a week later. Currently, they are rated:

Giuliani Romney	Thompson McCain	Huckabee Paul	
23.7	 20.3	 14.0	 12.3	 6.7	 3.7
	

I expect Romney to win in his father's old state, Fred will beat McCain for 3rd, then Huckabee and Paul.

I don't expect any dropouts at this point.

Nevada is next, four days later. Currently they are

Giuliani Romney	Thompson McCain	Paul	Huckabee
28.7	21.0	14.0	9.3	7.3	5.0

If Rudy hasn't won yet, I expect Romney to win this one, with Fred moving up to challenge for second. McCain may begin considering quitting.

A week later is SC. This is make or break for Fred, IMO, although I think he'll continue even if he doesn't win. Here's the latest poll:

Romney	Giuliani Thompson Huckabee McCain	Paul	
19.8	17.8	   16.8	   13.8	   11.0	        5.7

I expect Fred to win here. Rudy will be fading, and Fred may pick up some of Huckabee's people who want to go with a leading candidate. Certainly Huckabee's spending and pro-illegal immigrant positions will be well aired in this state.

By this time, I expect McCain to fold and give his recommendation to Fred. They are friends, you know. This will be the turning point in the election.

I also expect Huckabee to start considering to fold around this time.

Three days later comes Florida.

Giuliani Romney	Thompson Huckabee McCain Paul	
30.3	16.0	12.0	11.7	11.3	4.3	

If McCain gives his recommendation to Fred and if Huckabee is fading, then Thompson is challenging Rudy for Florida. If Fred wins FL, I think he has the nomination.

All this speculation does not consider possible scandals involving Rudy or Romney. If this happens I expect the same outcome, Fred, only faster.

I don't expect everyone to agree (hah!), but please post your predictions.

1 posted on 12/03/2007 7:11:09 PM PST by Forgiven_Sinner
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To: Forgiven_Sinner

For the sake of our REPUBLIC I hope you are dead on.


2 posted on 12/03/2007 7:14:51 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
I see Hunter dropping out after Iowa, and Tancredo dropping out after New Hampshire. After that, my crystal ball becomes awfully fuzzy. It’s still a wide open race excluding Paul. Run will be in til the end playing the part of saboteur thanks to all those donations courtesy of Soros.
3 posted on 12/03/2007 7:16:23 PM PST by End Times Crusader (!!!!!!!!!ELECT RON PAUL AS PRESIDENT OR THE WORLD WILL END!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Forgiven_Sinner

I don’t really take issue with your results but they are based on a lot of “ifs”. If the first prediction proves inaccurate that will change the polls to follow for the next state, which in turn will have a bearing on the next state and so on.

I’m not saying you are wrong but it’s like a house of cards, remove just one and it’s a goner.


4 posted on 12/03/2007 7:17:18 PM PST by Graybeard58 ( Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Forgiven_Sinner

I don’t see anything to dispute in your predictions... then again handicapping this primary has the feel (and danger) of handicapping this season’s college football games.

All I can say is I’ll be SOOOO glad when the primaries are over. I’m already worn out, and I have almost gone blind from too much prognostication...

if you know what I mean and I think you do


5 posted on 12/03/2007 7:17:21 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Retire Ron Paul! Support Chris Peden (www.chrispeden.org))
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To: Forgiven_Sinner

I like the scenario you portray, and hope that Thompson pulls out the FL win in the sequence, then, with the nomination in hand, we can have the very formidable and CONSERVATIVE Thompson/Hunter ticket, assuring Hunter the place to step up his visibility for 2012 and 2016.


6 posted on 12/03/2007 7:17:38 PM PST by traditional1 (Thompson/Hunter '08)
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To: Forgiven_Sinner

From your keyboard to the Lord’s ear...


7 posted on 12/03/2007 7:18:25 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: Forgiven_Sinner

I suspect Tancredo will drop out next. His campaign has been awfully quiet.


8 posted on 12/03/2007 7:21:47 PM PST by cripplecreek (Only one consistent conservative in this race and his name is Hunter.)
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To: Forgiven_Sinner

Looks to be a great subject for a friendly betting pool.

I like Thompson a lot so I also hope you are right!


9 posted on 12/03/2007 7:22:54 PM PST by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (To those who believe the world was safer with Saddam, get treatment for that!)
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To: Forgiven_Sinner

McCain has never let anything embarrass him...


10 posted on 12/03/2007 7:23:38 PM PST by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: traditional1
CONSERVATIVE Thompson/Hunter ticket

Normally Vice-Presidential candidates, at the minimum, provide their home state. Hunter doesn't even provide that.

There isn't the vaguest, remotest reason for anyone to select Hunter as their VP. People need to give up on that fantasy, too.

11 posted on 12/03/2007 7:24:22 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
I don't see how you get Fred for the nomination. It sounds like a lot of wishful thinking to me. Sounds like you're saying, I predict Romney, Romney, Romney, Romney, Romney -- and then Fred gets the nomination. If Romney has an early streak like you seem to be predicting, I don't see Fred able to overcome the momentum.

I'd prefer Fred, but I'll take Romney any day over the b*tch from New York.

Either of the b*tches from New York.

12 posted on 12/03/2007 7:26:22 PM PST by Luke Skyfreeper
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To: imahawk
For the sake of our REPUBLIC I hope you are dead on.

Not me. While I believe that Fred would be a fine president, the script presented is a "best case scenario" for Fred to win the Republican nomination.

After that, a general election follows. This is the country that elected Bill Clinton. Two times!

13 posted on 12/03/2007 7:26:46 PM PST by outofstyle (My Ride's Here)
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To: Strategerist
That may be the history, but that is not necessarily the future.

I believe the rise in conservatism and the need to rally the base is stronger now than ever before.

GWB let down the conservative base, it showed in 2006, and the rally round the base should occur in 2008.

We shall see, as "bringing the home state" of the VP is NOT going to work this time....

14 posted on 12/03/2007 7:26:55 PM PST by traditional1 (Thompson/Hunter '08)
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To: Forgiven_Sinner

The RINOs drop out and a conservative wins.


15 posted on 12/03/2007 7:26:57 PM PST by gpapa
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To: imahawk
I agree with you there. We cannot afford anyone in the White House with the name Mitt, Rudy, John, Obama Hussein, or Hillary. None of those liberals should even sniff the air in the White House.
16 posted on 12/03/2007 7:29:11 PM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: traditional1

Ok,

So then why select as VP someone the overwhelming majority of the country hasn’t heard of, with limited charisma, who is polling at 1% or less in most states?


17 posted on 12/03/2007 7:30:18 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Luke Skyfreeper
I don't see how you get Fred for the nomination. It sounds like a lot of wishful thinking to me.

The weak link in the whole chain is the idea that McCain endorses Fred when he drops out and all the McCain supporters obey McCain and Fred wins Florida.

I'd guess the majority of McCain supporters go to Giuliani or Romney.

18 posted on 12/03/2007 7:31:45 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: traditional1

No matter who tops the ticket it’s going to be a real struggle for one without the other. Combined they can bring a fairly easy win.

The few things I disagree with Hunter on are the things I agree with Thompson on.


19 posted on 12/03/2007 7:32:22 PM PST by cripplecreek (Only one consistent conservative in this race and his name is Hunter.)
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
“Michigan is next, a week later. Currently, they are rated:

Giuliani Romney Thompson McCain Huckabee Paul
23.7 20.3 14.0 12.3 6.7 3.7
I expect Romney to win in his father’s old state, Fred will beat McCain for 3rd, then Huckabee and Paul.

I don’t expect any dropouts at this point.”

WRONG!

Forget Michigan polls because they didn’t poll RATS to ask who they wanted for the GOP ticket.

You see, the RATS have only one top tier candidate on the ballot. Hillary, and she gets a default win.

All the RATS plan to vote on the GOP ballot, its a totally open primary.

My guess is they will all vote for Ron Paul.

Romney will lose in his native state. He is now finished.

Huck will also be out because he is flat broke after Iowa and would have no way, or time, to raise cash.

The big money power brokers will never support Huck and that is the only way to raise fast cash.

20 posted on 12/03/2007 7:33:24 PM PST by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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