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Map that named America is a puzzle for researchers
reuters ^ | 12-03-2007 | David Alexander

Posted on 12/04/2007 8:47:54 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The only surviving copy of the 500-year-old map that first used the name America goes on permanent display this month at the Library of Congress, but even as it prepares for its debut, the 1507 Waldseemuller map remains a puzzle for researchers.

Why did the mapmaker name the territory America and then change his mind later? How was he able to draw South America so accurately? Why did he put a huge ocean west of America years before European explorers discovered the Pacific?

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: america; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; map; puzzle; waldseemuller

1 posted on 12/04/2007 8:47:55 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB
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To: WOBBLY BOB


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2 posted on 12/04/2007 8:54:58 AM PST by michigander (The Constitution only guarantees the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Great post, thanks.


3 posted on 12/04/2007 8:55:35 AM PST by BGHater (Lead. The MSG for the 21st Century.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

BFLR: I’m waiting for some smart Freepers to add some insight here...


4 posted on 12/04/2007 8:55:53 AM PST by fishtank (Fenced BORDERS, English LANGUAGE, Patriotic CULTURE: A good plan.)
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG Ping


5 posted on 12/04/2007 8:56:57 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: michigander

Its all been done before,Atlantis, Mu, everything.


6 posted on 12/04/2007 8:57:08 AM PST by redstateconfidential (If you are the smartest person in the room,you are hanging out with the wrong people.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Interesting.


7 posted on 12/04/2007 8:57:14 AM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Elections have consequences.)
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To: michigander
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8 posted on 12/04/2007 8:59:09 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB (there's a reason it's called the Clinton News Network)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Americi (or Amerigo) Vespucci, after whom America is named, is shown on the top right of the map.


9 posted on 12/04/2007 9:00:38 AM PST by agere_contra (Do not confuse the wealth of nations with the wealth of government - FDT)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

Yes I am.

*shifts eyes left, then right*

But how did you know???


10 posted on 12/04/2007 9:02:30 AM PST by null and void (No more Bushes/No more Clintons)
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To: fishtank

Silk road and other trade routes probably gave info about the Pacific, but the west coast of South America is unexplained if one continues to insist on no pre-Columbian contact by places like China, Japan and India.


11 posted on 12/04/2007 9:07:15 AM PST by From many - one.
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To: WOBBLY BOB
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12 posted on 12/04/2007 9:10:05 AM PST by michigander (The Constitution only guarantees the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.)
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To: agere_contra

The name of an Indian tribe and of a district in Nicaragua called Amerrique, this district — rich in gold — had been visited by both Columbus and Vespucci, who then made this name known in Europe. For both explorers the words Amerrique and gold became synonymous. Subsequently, Vespucci changed his Christian name from Alberico to Amerigo.


13 posted on 12/04/2007 9:13:16 AM PST by Leg Olam (I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy)
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To: michigander
That large island off the NE coast of Siberia -- where the Chukot Peninsula is accurately placed -- bears a strong resemblance to Alaska. Even with a suggestion of the Aleutian chain...
14 posted on 12/04/2007 9:17:23 AM PST by okie01 (.)
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To: fishtank

A Chinese emperor’s fleet supposedly circumnavigated the globe before Magellan. If so, and due to Italy’s trade with China in the 1300s & 1400s, perhaps the map maker had heard of an ocean beyond the Americas.


15 posted on 12/04/2007 9:22:17 AM PST by AnalogReigns
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To: michigander

That’s a big red dot, if it can be seen from space.


16 posted on 12/04/2007 9:23:08 AM PST by shekkian
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To: okie01
You can zoom in quite close here.
17 posted on 12/04/2007 9:27:06 AM PST by michigander (The Constitution only guarantees the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.)
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To: michigander

The map seems to depict a large mountain range on the western edge of north america. That’s also quite interesting.


18 posted on 12/04/2007 9:35:58 AM PST by willgolfforfood
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To: okie01
That large island off the NE coast of Siberia -- where the Chukot Peninsula is accurately placed -- bears a strong resemblance to Alaska.

It's supposed to be Japan, which was known via trade.

19 posted on 12/04/2007 9:37:18 AM PST by LexBaird (Behold, thou hast drinken of the Aide of Kool, and are lost unto Men.)
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To: michigander

Good link. Interesting.


20 posted on 12/04/2007 9:42:05 AM PST by scan59 (Let consumers dictate market policies. Government just gets in the way.)
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21 posted on 12/04/2007 9:43:34 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Friday, November 30, 2007____________________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: LexBaird
It's supposed to be Japan, which was known via trade.

I had placed the cartographer's representation of Japan further south -- among the clutch of islands north of the Indonesian archipelago.

22 posted on 12/04/2007 9:45:00 AM PST by okie01 (.)
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To: Lee Heggy123

That’s the best explanation so far. The name is much older than Columbus and so was the gold mining.


23 posted on 12/04/2007 9:51:03 AM PST by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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To: okie01

The map lables that island as “Zipangri”, and places it on the Tropic of Cancer. People are looking at the severly distorted projection of the main map. Look at the small globes at the top for a more conventional “mercator” like projection. It becomes clear that the mapmakers were just depicting what was known of the East coast, and guessing at the rest, based on what was known had to be there. Since the Pacific WAS known to be East of Asia, logically, it had to be WEST of the new lands.


24 posted on 12/04/2007 9:53:24 AM PST by LexBaird (Behold, thou hast drinken of the Aide of Kool, and are lost unto Men.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
"it was still erroneously believed that the lands discovered by Christopher Columbus, Vespucci, and others formed part of the Indies of Asia. "

NOT

Vespucci recognized what Columbus did not - that these lands were NOT the back end of the Indies, but an entirely new continent - and he explored all down the coast, interacting with many different groups of natives...just in his first voyage in 1497 - *He reported on this in great detail, not just the people, flora and fauna but the latitudes and longitudes, coast line, harbors and rivers - and excursions inland - made another voyage in 1502 and possibly another in 1503 - all BEFORE this map was made ---- duh

25 posted on 12/04/2007 9:57:09 AM PST by maine-iac7 (",,,but you can't fool all of the people all the time" LINCOLN)
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To: LexBaird

Thanks for the clarification.


26 posted on 12/04/2007 9:58:32 AM PST by okie01 (.)
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To: Lee Heggy123; RightWhale

It’s not true. In fact, it’s just left-wing propaganda.

http://www.uhmc.sunysb.edu/surgery/america.html

...The most explosive, haunting, almost credible etymology — the so-called Amerrique theory which was first advanced in 1875 — reappeared in the late 1970s in an essay by Guyanan novelist Jan Carew, titled “The Caribbean Writer and Exile.” ...Carew moves from the “fictions” of Columbus to those of Vespucci with these striking words: “Alberigo Vespucci, and I deliberately use his authentic Christian name, a Florentine dilettante and rascal, corrected Columbus’s error [thinking he had found the Orient] … Vespucci, having sailed to the American mainland declared that what Columbus had indeed stumbled on was a New World.” ...Carew is resurrecting the ideas of Jules Marcou, a prominent French geologist who while studying North America argued, as did other 19th-century writers, that the name America was brought back to Europe from the New World; and that Vespucci had changed his name to reflect the name of his discovery. Specifically, Marcou introduced the name of an Indian tribe and of a district in Nicaragua called Amerrique, and asserted that this district — rich in gold — had been visited by both Columbus and Vespucci, who then made this name known in Europe... Subsequently, according to Marcou’s account, Vespucci changed his Christian name from Alberico to Amerigo... Like Marcou, Carew wants us to believe that America was not named after Vespucci, but vice versa; that Vespucci had, so to speak, re-named himself after his discovery, gilding his given name by modifying it to reflect the significance of his discovery... First of all, Vespucci’s name must be cleared... Vespucci was born in 1454 in Florence, where he was baptized, according to the official record, “Amerigho [not, as Carew asserts, Alberigo] Vespucci”; the use of the form Amerigho for Amerigo is an instance of the orthographic anarchy that existed in the spelling of proper names.


27 posted on 12/04/2007 10:03:02 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Friday, November 30, 2007____________________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
and then of course there were other people - not explorers prima facie, but settlers - 500 years before Columbus and Vespucci = like Eric and son, Leif to Greenland - Leif explored all down the east coast of N. America - a thousand years ago - and Sir Henry I Sinclair, Earl of Orkney and several hundred who sailed to and settled in Nova Scotia in the late 1300's - and there are evidences of many more - Like St. Brendan's purported voyage in the 6th cent.

North America was well known to the sea going navigators well before Columbus = but we don't hear much about them because they weren't 'explorers' out to find riches not were they funded by the potentates.

They were people who merely wanted, quietly, to find safe harbor out from under the kings and/or the church, to live their lives to their own dictates.

28 posted on 12/04/2007 10:09:33 AM PST by maine-iac7 (",,,but you can't fool all of the people all the time" LINCOLN)
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To: RightWhale
King Solomon's miners told the map makers what was there.

Kuelap - The Machu Picchu Of Northern Peru (Chachapoyas - White, blonde haired people)

To bad about the miners who were exiled there.

29 posted on 12/04/2007 10:10:50 AM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: blam

Yep.


30 posted on 12/04/2007 10:14:43 AM PST by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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To: maine-iac7
we don't hear much about them because :

their sponsors, the kingdoms of Europe, didn't want competitors knowing the secret trade routes.

31 posted on 12/04/2007 10:16:47 AM PST by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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To: AnalogReigns

Read “1421” for details of this hypothesis...


32 posted on 12/04/2007 11:04:47 AM PST by bt_dooftlook (Democrats - the "No Child/Left/Behind" Party)
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To: shibumi

The Chao says Mu.


33 posted on 12/04/2007 11:40:31 AM PST by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent.......)
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To: bt_dooftlook

I was reading it. Stalled out about 20% in. Began to suspect it is largely a work of fiction.


34 posted on 12/04/2007 11:57:54 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: AnalogReigns
In the early 15th Century the Chinese send a naval expedition under the command of an Muslim eunuch that reached Africa. They didn’t sail around the world.
There were 63 ships involved. The largest was 444 feet long. 27,870 men took part in the expedition.
35 posted on 12/04/2007 12:46:17 PM PST by Hiddigeigei (Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens.)
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To: michigander

I thought it was very interesting that in the lower area of the east coast of NA they labeled a Cape Biaxa. I looked it up in Portuguese and that is Low Cape. It even appears situated between what looks like the Savannah River and maybe the Cape Fear.

It is called the low country today. Is that just a coincidence?


36 posted on 12/04/2007 1:35:05 PM PST by doodad
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To: fishtank

Well, if you posit that the Americas are a new continent—and you know that India/China abut an ocean—it’s not a big reach to assume that is an ocean between India/china and the Americas.


37 posted on 12/04/2007 2:04:07 PM PST by wildbill
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To: From many - one.

I think you’re right. Plus the monastery in which the map was made/copied could have been acting as a central clearing house for other maps. Hence you get new maps that draw on several older souces, picking & chosing from the best available information. Kinda like the late Middle Ages equivalent of Rand-McNally.


38 posted on 12/04/2007 3:06:14 PM PST by Tallguy (Climate is what you plan for, weather is what you get.)
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To: blam

Mormon Alert Ping... Just kidding!


39 posted on 12/04/2007 5:19:12 PM PST by DariusBane (Shock and Awe used to mean something! (Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Tokyo and Dresden))
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To: SunkenCiv
It’s not true. In fact, it’s just left-wing propaganda.

And it's Bush's fault!!!

40 posted on 12/05/2007 6:24:02 AM PST by night reader (NRA Life Member since 1962)
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To: night reader

...or that magnificent bastard, Rove.


41 posted on 12/05/2007 9:08:11 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Friday, November 30, 2007____________________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: agere_contra
Americi (or Amerigo) Vespucci, after whom America is named, is shown on the top right of the map.

And printed in the bottom margin.

42 posted on 12/06/2007 3:46:19 PM PST by FrogMom
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To: WOBBLY BOB

bookmarking for later.


43 posted on 12/06/2007 3:51:39 PM PST by abner (I have no tagline, therefore no identity.)
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