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Colorado Church Gunman `Hated Christians'
Houston Chronicle ^ | 12-10-07 | Judith Kohler

Posted on 12/10/2007 2:24:21 PM PST by tcrlaf

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To: DaveLoneRanger

Possibly - I would probably put more blame on the families. People know the rules when they go to an institution and they don’t have to go there if they don’t want to follow them.


41 posted on 12/10/2007 2:45:01 PM PST by dschapin
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I agree. One of the problems with our society is that we never make “being grown up” a big brownie point.

We are into the victim culture, and therefore every disaffected nutbag thinks he’s a victim and entitled to do whatever he wants. It would be lovely if we would put “grow up” at the center of our aspirations for young people.


42 posted on 12/10/2007 2:45:49 PM PST by livius
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To: tcrlaf
Don't know if this has been posted yet:

Vet lauds female guard who felled gunman. Arvada and Colorado Springs police will hold a joint press conference at 4 p.m. about the church-related shooting rampages Sunday in each town as authorities confirmed that a single gunman "who hated Christians" was responsible for both.

A law-enforcement official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to publicly discuss the investigation, told The Associated Press that 24-year-old Matthew Murray of Arapahoe County was the lone gunman who killed four people and wounded five others on two church campuses before he was killed.

43 posted on 12/10/2007 2:45:53 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (No buy China!!)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Murray had a falling out with Youth With a Mission (YWM) after working with the organization a couple of years ago and that he sent antagonistic and threatening correspondence afterward.

Youth With a Mission was the first place he attacked. The mega-church had a satellite operation of YWM.

44 posted on 12/10/2007 2:46:29 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: sarasota
good observation. next we'll learn he hated cans. Image Hosted by ImageShack.us
45 posted on 12/10/2007 2:47:08 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB (I think I'll buy everyone a carbon credit for Christmas.)
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To: livius

“The beard and the skullcap”

Seriously?

That sews it up IMO.

There was one photo of the kid from Univ Of OK who blew his own head off with a homebrew bomb outside the stadium about two years ago.

The single photo said it all: native American Caucasian with skullcap and whispy Satan beard.


46 posted on 12/10/2007 2:47:42 PM PST by angkor ("There! half man, half bear, and half pig! Do you see it?!." Al Gore, South Park 11.12)
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To: tcrlaf
Colorado Church Gunman `Hated Christians'

This needs a Master of the Obvious pic.
47 posted on 12/10/2007 2:48:07 PM PST by JamesP81 ("I am against "zero tolerance" policies. It is a crutch for idiots." --FReeper Tenacious 1)
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"People who grew up in the church and then reject it often become the very nastiest opponents of Christianity."

They are called Christianity rejects. And I agree with tcrlaf that legalism has much to do with with creating these monsters. On the other hand, you have the view that moral laws are not binding. It's difficult for a large church to keep a balance between the two on a practical level.

Sadly, I believe legalism tends to win out for expediencies sake in a mega church situation and an individual can become isolated quickly.

48 posted on 12/10/2007 2:48:12 PM PST by Earthdweller (All reality is based on faith in something.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

LOL! I thought about that scene too!

Denver TV will provide a streaming link at 4PM MST for the press conference.

http://www.9news.com/


49 posted on 12/10/2007 2:48:31 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (No buy China!!)
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To: RDTF

Sounds like a kid that was mad at God to me!


50 posted on 12/10/2007 2:48:34 PM PST by Coldwater Creek
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To: angkor

I can’t believe that nobody took a cell-phone pic of this guy.


51 posted on 12/10/2007 2:48:47 PM PST by livius
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To: tcrlaf

“hated Christians”. OK, so now the media will be trying to find excuses for him.


52 posted on 12/10/2007 2:49:50 PM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: Phsstpok

This is not the first church shooting. Several years ago in Texas there was a number of people killed in churches.


53 posted on 12/10/2007 2:49:52 PM PST by Coldwater Creek
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To: dschapin

A lot of the problem comes from families where the kids have parents who give them a ton of rules but don’t really teach their kids how to make good decisions before they leave home. So, the kids go out and are exposed to new ideas for the first time and start making poor decisions. If you want to understand the phenomenon more you might want to read Hanna Rosin’s book “God’s Harvard” about Patrick Henry College (My Alma Mater). I don’t agree with everything that she writes about PHC (which I think is a great school) but she does profile one or two homeschool rebels in the book and how react to the fairly restrictive rules on campus.


55 posted on 12/10/2007 2:50:22 PM PST by dschapin
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To: dschapin

His brother attends Oral Roberts.

http://www.wral.com/news/national_world/national/story/2151880/


56 posted on 12/10/2007 2:50:30 PM PST by Andy'smom
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To: Phsstpok

“Turbins, yes, but skullcaps? What Muslim sect does that? “

You’ve got it bass-ackwards:

Sikhs wear “turbans”.

Arab Muslims almost always wear skullcaps.


57 posted on 12/10/2007 2:51:15 PM PST by angkor ("There! half man, half bear, and half pig! Do you see it?!." Al Gore, South Park 11.12)
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To: tcrlaf

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58 posted on 12/10/2007 2:51:57 PM PST by rockthecasbah (He has sounded forth the trumpet that shall never call retreat.)
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To: bahblahbah
It is obvious that he is blaming God for his problems, whatever they might have been.
59 posted on 12/10/2007 2:52:00 PM PST by Coldwater Creek
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To: tcrlaf

If this report is true, that the gunman’s motivation was nothing more than pure hate for Christians, we can lay this at the feet of the secularists, the ACLU and all the Democrat hate mongers.


60 posted on 12/10/2007 2:52:22 PM PST by Eva
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