Islamic skullcap.
Posted on 12/10/2007 2:24:21 PM PST by tcrlaf
sounds like a kid that hated his upbringing
Remember how quickly the media dropped the “Gay Trenchcoat Mafia” association to Columbine?
Yep, they kept going with the idea that they were out to kill minority athletes (1 was shot) and nothing said about targeting Evangelical Christians (7 shot, I believe).
Particularly when the attacks take place at a Christian church, and on Sunday, no less. What a coincidence.
Nothing to see here. Move along.
(Now, if someone were saying this about the mall shooting your comment would be right on)
Interesting. I was virtually certain he would have that attitude and that it would surface in the investigation from the beginning.
You are still doubting the obvious, imho.
Fascinating.
The one thing I’m hoping will surface is whether he was a homosexual or not . . . or that there was some other reason for him to be so intensely at odds with Christianity.
Sorry to hear about the homeschooling background. I have met homeschooled rebels but never anyone who rebelled that dramatically. Still when people are given a lot of truth and then reject it they often become much harder and more bitter than those who had less truth to begin with.
More a son of privelege that had dropped out or been rejected by the missionary program from what I read.
One story has this:
“The common denominator with both locations of (the shootings), is a church based group called ‘Youth With A Mission’ (Y-WAM),” Colorado Springs Detective Bradley Pratt wrote Sunday in a statement supporting of search warrant for Murray’s family home in Arapahoe County.He was the son of a neuro-surgeon according to this Rocky Mountain News Story“It appears that the suspect had been kicked out of that program approximately three years prior, and during the past few weeks, had sent different forms of hate mail to the program, and/or its director,” Pratt wrote.
Murray’s expulsion from the school was confirmed by Cheryl Morrison, whose husband, George Morrison, is pastor of the Faith Bible Chapel adjacent to Y-WAM Arvada. She didn’t know specifics of the conflict.
“I don’t think that ‘run-in’ is the word, but they did have to dismiss him,” Cheryl Morrison said. “It had to be something of significance, because they go the nth degree with people.”
“sounds like a kid that hated his upbringing”
True, but why wouldn’t he have taken it out on his parents. Why wouldn’t he just off himself off. Instead he attacked the missionary school where apparently he might have “worked for” but not “belong to” where they wouldn’t let him stay the night then he went towards the mega church.
And to think, he could have gone away and grown up instead.
Islamic skullcap.
yeah because Matthew Murray is just such a Jewish name...
I am more interested in where he got his IED materials and the “body armour” and helmet. Were they real or fakes?
“If that’s true, I wonder what caused his rebellion?”
How about...he was mentally ill.
Er, Orthodox Jews don’t kill people.
The skullcap is typically Muslim, although in the US it seems to be worn most heavily by Muslim converts. I don’t know where you live, but if you’ve ever lived in a big city, you’d know that every black jailhouse Muslim convert is out there with his skullcap, and an increasing number of disaffected whites wear them, too.
There is a Dr. Murray (T. Jock Murray) that is a famous MS neuro...but I thought I read earlier that the father's first name was Roger. And I don't think T. Jock Murray is from Colorado. Wonder if somebody has their info mixed up. Time will tell.
Probably something personal. And the black trenchcoat may just indicate that he is another troubled kid that hates the world and identified with columbine. Certainly seems odd for a homeschooled kid.
Ok, this is a complete guess but if what you posted turns out to be correct it makes sense. He probably was one of the homeschool rebel types whose parents sent him to Y-WAM with hopes of him having a life of Christian Service. While there he probably violated the rules - sex or alcohol use would be likely candidates. Then when he was caught breaking the rules and was expelled he probably got in serious trouble with his folks and completely rejected his Christian Upbringing all the time blaiming Y-WAM and its legalism for all the problems that he had brought into his life. This is a complete guess but it does make sense to me since I graduated from a conservative Christian College where I saw some homeschooled rebels get expelled for violating the rules and get very bitter about it. Though I don’t think that any of them would be capable of anything like this.
yep
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