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Proof Hucakbee is lying about the moving cross
myself | Dec 20, 2007 | Travis McGee

Posted on 12/20/2007 8:59:16 AM PST by Travis McGee

"THE TODAY SHOW"

MEREDITH VIEIRA: Let's talk about this Christmas ad, because it comes after you have taken some hits from the critics, first for calling yourself a Christian leader, then for questioning whether Mormons believe Christ and the devil were brothers, something you did apologize for.

Now in this ad you are say people should be celebrating the birth of Christ while the shape of a cross appears to take shape behind you. And that has led some to say that this is another overt religious appeal to voters. What do you say about this ad and about those criticisms?

MIKE HUCKABEE: That floating cross is a bookshelf, Meredith. We were all amused -- the production crew I think probably more than anyone, who put the spot together.

VIEIRA: So you didn't see that image when you put the spot together, that it might be confused?

HUCKABEE: Absolutely not.


These are movie camera "tracking dollies."

There are two reasons to use tracking dollies when directing a film. The most basic use is when following a moving subject and keeping them in the same plane. The classic use is to follow a walking actor in profile.

The other use of the tracking dolly is to move the background in a controlled way, while keeping the foreground subject in one place by simultaneiously tracking and panning the camera.

That is how the Huckabee team contrived and executed the shot, in order to move the glowing white (spotlighted) shelf/cross from the left side of the shot to behind Huckabee's head, in exactly the 30 seconds of the ad.

The use of the tracking dolly is the smoking gun, the proof that the moving cross effect was deliberate, and that Huckabee is lying about it being an unnoticed coincidence.

They didn't just come out and "find" that a tracking dolly had magically appeared on the set, and decide, "Aw shucks, why don't we stick the camera on this here funny contraption, and slide it from left to right while aiming at Mike's head, just for the heck of it."

Every aspect of this political advertisement was deliberate, down to the placement of the three ornaments on the glowing white spotlighted empty shelf.

The proof that the moving cross effect was deliberate, is the use of the tracking dolly to move the cross in the background in a perfectly controlled way.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: ads; cross; huckabee
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To: svcw

I think the point is that if he’s lying about this ad, his Christianity is not the main feature of his character. I haven’t seen the ad myself, so I don’t know. Having made several movies myself, I can say that sometimes, subtleties are intended - sometimes, people read unwarranted significance into things.


21 posted on 12/20/2007 9:06:20 AM PST by karnage
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To: Travis McGee
I do not knock anyones religious beliefs, however they are not what I look for when choosing a candidate.

Beliefs are what guide you, not what makes you think you are better than others.

22 posted on 12/20/2007 9:06:31 AM PST by Pistolshot (Never argue with stupid people, they just bring you down to their level and beat you with experience)
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To: Travis McGee
So if you eliminate any politician who has told a lie, from your list of candidates, who is left to vote for?

Or do you hold certain candidates, an ex-preacher for example, to a higher standard?

23 posted on 12/20/2007 9:06:40 AM PST by Michael.SF. ("democrat" -- 'one who panders to the crude and mindless whims of the masses " - Joseph J. Ellis)
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To: hsalaw

Oops. I posted before I finished. I meant to add that the problem is that he’s denying it. He should have just said either “yes, we wanted to have a cross in our Christmas message” or “no, we didn’t notice it until the ad ran, but there it is and I like it.”


24 posted on 12/20/2007 9:07:07 AM PST by hsalaw
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To: PurpleMan

He broke the law:

UN-15a.Article.43

No citizen shall display the cross of Christ.


25 posted on 12/20/2007 9:07:12 AM PST by Scythian
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To: DManA

Do you see what I see?


26 posted on 12/20/2007 9:07:57 AM PST by Piranha
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To: svcw

that is not the issue.

Like all things it is the LIE not the facts.

1. Huckabee is pushing the “more christain than you” campaign. (did you know he was a preacher on 9/11)

2. Huckabee did not simply put a cross in the background, he use an allusion to a cross.

3. He then DENIED that it was deliberate when in fact it is OBVIOUS it is a deliberate action in the lighting, the movement, and the fact image control people micromanage these items for all campaigns.

It is a sleazy act by a sleazy politician.


27 posted on 12/20/2007 9:08:23 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Scythian

A joke. Got it.


28 posted on 12/20/2007 9:08:27 AM PST by PurpleMan
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To: cripplecreek

It looked like a bookcase to me. Who cares?

Maybe they’re denying it because they thought it was a bookcase too? The camera only panned past the bookcase because they wanted to bring the tree into the frame slowly... OK. Big deal?

I don’t even like Huck all that much... but sheesh. Much ado about nothing.


29 posted on 12/20/2007 9:09:00 AM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: Travis McGee

I don’t think that proves anything beyond taking the long way around to point out the obvious - that the camera is moving. But we already knew that. This kind of thing is done all the time, and is very popular in contemporary production. It is an aesthetic choice, and yes, a deliberate one. Making issue out of it totally misses the mark though. Why cares if the “cross” is floating or stationary, anyways?

The point of it is that the bookshelf was chosen, framed, and lighted in a particular way to resemble a cross, “floating” or not. The camera movement was designed simply to bring more attention to it, just to make sure them dumb rubes in Iowa didn’t miss it.


30 posted on 12/20/2007 9:10:03 AM PST by counterpunch (Get Up And Go Fred Go Already!)
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To: Travis McGee

My problem is having people like Meridith Viera in positions of influence.


31 posted on 12/20/2007 9:10:11 AM PST by preacher (A government which robs from Peter to pay Paul will always have the support of Paul.)
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To: reagan_fanatic

I saw the ad, it looks likes shelves.


32 posted on 12/20/2007 9:10:29 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Travis McGee
VIEIRA: So you didn't see that image when you put the spot together, that it might be confused?

Confused about what VIEIRA? That Christ was born on Christmas morn? So what?

Travis,
Perhaps Huckabee didn't know about it during the film production, and after being presented with the posited truth, didn't wish to acknowledge it. To you as well, so what?

33 posted on 12/20/2007 9:10:34 AM PST by vox_freedom
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To: Travis McGee

There are a lot of bigger reasons than this not to support him. Let this one go.


34 posted on 12/20/2007 9:10:40 AM PST by McGruff (A "Big Time" Fred Thompson supporter!)
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To: karnage
I think the point is that if he’s lying about this ad, his Christianity is not the main feature of his character. I haven’t seen the ad myself, so I don’t know.

Thanks for reminding me to link the video. Looking at a still photo capture doesn't reveal the perfect manipulation of the cross effect by the use of the moving camera tracking dolly.

VIDEO HERE

35 posted on 12/20/2007 9:11:10 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: IrishMike

he did not simply hang a cross or even have a manger scene.

He used subterfuge to create a cross with tricks of angle and light.

Huckabee is doing the more christian than thou and his anti mormon spin stuff.

This was no mere christmas “howdy”.


36 posted on 12/20/2007 9:11:13 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Travis McGee
I have to agree with you, Travis.

My more fundamental problem with Huck is he didn't seem to govern as a conservative in Arkansas.

So, we've got fiscal and foreign policy conservatives who are social liberals, a social conservative who is a fiscal liberal and a guy who claims to have been converted to social conservatism. Somewhere in that mess I need to find a candidate. :-))

37 posted on 12/20/2007 9:11:20 AM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Travis McGee
Every aspect of this political advertisement was deliberate

That was my contention when I first saw the ad, too.

The panning scene was too staged for the camera person to not see the 'bookcase' shelving form a lighted cross.
38 posted on 12/20/2007 9:11:20 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: Travis McGee

39 posted on 12/20/2007 9:12:14 AM PST by Leisler (RNC, RINO National Committee. Always was, always will be.)
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To: reagan_fanatic
My God - showing something in the shape of a cross on TV. What is the world coming to?

I don't care about his use of the cross in a political ad.

I worry greatly about his LYING about using the cross.

If a former preacher will lie about the cross, what won't he lie about?

40 posted on 12/20/2007 9:12:44 AM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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