Posted on 12/20/2007 11:26:24 PM PST by Route66
No opinion, just the reality. We shall see if the liberals will have successfully hijacked our party on that date by coronating Rudy McRombee, and if Conservatives will have a reason to vote next November. It’s that simple.
Truth still bites ya on the butt.
Are you new?
Last I checked, Fred never proposed extending government benefits to illegals, never leased government owned office space to the Mexican consulate (you know, the same Mexican consulate that gives papers and other assistance to illegal aliens) at a subsidized rate of $1.00 per year, never supported amnesty, and never called those who oppose amnesty racists and bigots. Fred finished out his Senate career with an A- after 9-11, and his record isn't NEARLY as "checked" as any of the other front-runners, ESPECIALLY the Dope from Hope.
BTW, Gilchrist's little endorsement (which I suspect he's now regretting) that you were trumpeting last week pales in comparison to THIS:
Signed by 84 leaders of Immigration Enforcement Groups!
In reaction to Jim Gilchrist's (Co-Founder of Minutemen) lone endorsement of pro-amnesty Presidential Candidate Mike Huckabee:
We, the undersigned, state that our organizations stand against racism and Amnesty for illegal aliens. Instead, we stand for the enforcement of our existing immigration laws, the securing of America's borders, and attrition enforcement.
We have dedicated our efforts to fighting illegal immigration and we are compelled to warn the American public about the immigration stance and record of Presidential Candidate Mike Huckabee.
We denounce Jim Gilchrist's solo endorsement of a pro-amnesty and Open Borders candidate for President. Mr. Gilchrist does NOT speak for us!
Mike Huckabee is pro-amnesty and favors a "path to citizenship" for illegal aliens currently in the US, which would require a lifting of the current penalties.
Mike Huckabee is against ICE raids and decried them in his home state, when illegal aliens were arrested at companies that financially support his campaigns.
Mike Huckabee supports benefits for illegal aliens such as taxpayer subsidized in-state tuition.
Governor Huckabee also favors a "touchback" provision, which we feel is a trick to confuse voters. He would have illegal aliens leave for a day, pick up new papers, and then reenter the US LEGALLY, which is not the back of the immigration line! He has stated that illegal aliens could leave and "You do have a pathway to get back here legally that would take days, maybe weeks, not years."
Mike Huckabee supported Comprehensive Immigration Reform Amnesty that failed in the US Senate and was rejected by a large majority of Americans. He stated that those who opposed the legislation are "driven by racism or nativism."
Mike Huckabee has distorted the goals of "attrition enforcement" and the positions of Mark Krikorian by adding visa expansions, expedited visas, and "touchback", which would counteract enforcement measures.
In truth, Mike Huckabee's stances on the illegal immigration issue are out of line with the vast majority of Americans.
SIGNED
William Gheen
Americans for Legal Immigration PAC
http://www.alipac.us
Ron Woodard
NC Listen Border Project
www.nclisten.com
Peter Gadiel
9/11 Families for A Secure America
www.911fsa.org/
Dan Sheehy
Author of "Fighting Immigration Anarchy: American Patriots Battle to Save the Nation"
www.FightingImmigrationAnarchy.com
RUSSELL LANDRY
Citizens Against Illegal Aliens
groups.msn.com/CitizensAgainstIllegalAliens/
Danny Smith
American Freedom Riders
www.americanfreedomriders.com/
Wanda Piety
Save America Fund
www.saveamericafund.com
Brook Young
Immigration Watchdog
www.immigrationwatchdog.com
Andy Ramirez
Friends of the Border Patrol
www.friendsoftheborderpatrol.com
Sandra Beene
Co-founder TX Minutemen
www.txminuteman.org
Hal Washburn
MCDC Washington State
www.minutemanhq.com
Allen Taylor
Hoosiers for Secure Borders
www.hoosiersforsecureborders.com
Jack McDermott
Pennsylvanians Against Illegal Immigration
Joseph L. Ray
MCDC Chapter Leader
www.minutemanhq.com
Jeff Wilson
Report and Deport
www.reportanddeport.org
S. Byron Gassaway
Rescue Without Borders
www.rescuewithoutborders.org
Melissa Gardner
Let Freedom Ring America
www.lframerica.com
Michael Apple
Minutemen Civil Defense Corps.
California-North Bay Chapter
www.minutemanhq.com
Johnny Tex
Johnny Tex and the Texicans
www.johnnytex.com
Gianluca Zanna
Co-Founder Mohave County Minutemen
www.mohaveminutemen.com
Ruthie Hendrycks
Minnesotans Seeking Immigration Reform
www.mnsirproject.com
Steve Hampton
Protect Our Borders
www.protectourborder.net
Hayward Vickery Jr.
US Border Watch
www.usborderwatch.com
Michael Franks
Former Texas State Republican Executive Committee Member.
Former Political Director, Texas Republican Liberty Caucu
Teela Roche & Mark Thies
South Carolinians for Immigration Moderation
Margaretann Bianculli
Greater Farmingville Citizens' Association
Bill Strong
CHOICE
www.choice.flashbit.us
Jon Healy
TechnoPatriots
www.technopatriots.com
Wally McCormick
Utah Minuteman
Phyllis Sears
Citizens Council on Illegal Immigration
www.cciiwc.com
Barb Coe
California Coalition for Immigration Reform
www.ccir.net
Daniel Smeriglio & Andrew Woodring
Voice of the people U.S.A
www.voiceofthepeopleusa.com
Bob Cox
www.patriotsborderalliance.com
Patriots Border Alliance
Steve Salvi
Ohio Jobs & Justice PAC
www.ojjpac.org
Bob Baker & Leon Donahue
Washingtonians For Immigration Reform
www.wfir.org
Michael A. Jackson
Government for the People
www.votemj.com
Tony Dolz
U.S. Congressional Candidate (California 30th District)
MCDC California
www.dolz.com
Carl Braun
State Leader MCDC- CA
Dan Amato
Digger's Realm
www.diggersrealm.com
Jeff Schwilk
San Diego Minutemen
www.SanDiegoMinutemen.com
Joe Turner & Chelene Nightingale
Save Our State
www.saveourstate.org
Conner Collier
V.P. of U.S. Border Watch
www.usborderwatch.com
Joe & Barb McCutchen
Arkansas Freedom
www.arkansasfreedom.com
A. B. Flanagan, III
KeepItAmerican.Biz
www.keepitamerican.biz
Jan Herron, Columnist
Magic City Morning Star
Robert M. Copley Sr.
Colorado Minutemen
www.sovereigntycolorado.com
Burr Deitz
New York Constitution Party
www.nyconstitutionparty.com
Paul Streitz
CT Citizens for Immigration Control
www.ctcic.net
Janie McCormick
Constitution Coalition
Saul Lisauskas
Stopp SPP & NAU
www.StopSPP.org
Frosty Wooldridge
Author & Paul Revere Riders
www.frostywooldridge.com
Kathy McKee, founder/chairman
Protect Arizona NOW
www.pan2004.com
Lupe Moreno
Latino Americans for Immigration Reform (LAIR)
www.latinoamericans.org
Ted Hayes
Los Angeles Activist
www.tedhayes.net
Nedd Kareiva
Stop the ACLU Coalition
www.stoptheaclu.org
Peter B. Gemma
columnist, Middle American News
www.manews.org
Paul & Jo Separk
The MidNight Writers
http://groups.myspace.com/saynotothenau
Frank Jorge
Antelope Valley Independent Minutemen
www.avimm.com
Ron Bass
United Patriots of America
www.UnitedPatriotsOfAmerica.com
Michael Kelley
NC Voice
www.ncvoice.info
Duane Smith
Nevada Action Coalition
www.nvaction.com
Mark Edwards
Founder of Unite to Fight 1 & 2 and Wake Up America
www.thewakeupamerica.com
Scott DiBenedetto
Pahrump Minutemen
www.pahrumpminutemen.com
Theresa Harmon
Tennesseans for Responsible Immigration Policies
www.TnRIP.org
Susan Smith
Nebraskans Advisory Group
www.nebraskansadvisorygroup.com
Jim Ludwick
Oregonians for Immigration Reform
http://www.oregonir.org
Robert R. Galbreath Jr.
Citizens for a Constitutional Republic
www.citizensforaconstitutionalrepublic.com
George Gush
Boycott State Farm Insurance
www.boycottstatefarminsurance.com
Jim Palmer
Buy Direct USA
www.buydirectusa.com
Chris Davis
America in Danger
www.americaindanger.com
Michael Williams
Border Hawks
BorderHawks.org
Chris Simcox
Minuteman Civil Defense Corps
Co-Founder of the Minutemen
www.minutemanhq.com
Walter Adams
PA Minutemen State Director
www.paminutemen.com
Joseph Ureneck
Massachusetts Citizens for Immigration Reform
Mike Vanderboegh
Alabama Minuteman Project
Dennis Murphy
Nebraska Minuteman Civil Defense Corp
www.nebraskaminuteman.com
Marvin Steward & Deborah Courtney
Minuteman Project Inc
Michael Strauss & John Loucome
LaPorte County Illegal Immigration Taskforce
Edward & Cynthia Kolb
Desert Visions
www.desertvisions.us
Doug Roy
Kentuckians for Immigration Reform and Enforcement
www.kfire.us
Michelle Dallacroce
Mothers Against Illegal Aliens
www.mothersagainstillegalaliens.org
Hal Netkin
Watchdog America
www.WatchdogAmerica.com
Col. Albert F. Rodriguez
You Don't Speak For Me
www.dontspeakforme.org
Steve Hampton
Protect Our Border
www.protectourborder.net
source: http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-94112.html
And this:
Illegals foes reject nod to Huckabee
By Jerry Seper
The Washington Times
12-13-2007
(Excerpted, click here to read the rest)
Minuteman co-founder James Gilchrist's endorsement of presidential candidate Mike Huckabee has spurred a backlash among illegal-immigration opponents who say the former Arkansas governor is soft on immigration enforcement.
"Mike Huckabee is pro-amnesty and favors a path to citizenship for illegal aliens currently in the U.S. that would require a lifting of current penalties," said William Gheen, whose 25,000-member Americans for Legal Immigration sent mass mailings yesterday to more than 300 pro-enforcement groups.
"Huckabee has released an immigration plan that contains the deceptive 'touch back' provision that the pushers of amnesty tried on us in Washington this year," he said. "He wants to trick the nation by having illegal aliens leave for a day to pick up new papers at an office set up across the border and then walk right back."
(snip)
Bob Wright, who heads the Patriots' Border Alliance, another Minuteman splinter group, said although Mr. Gilchrist helped move the issue of illegal entry into the U.S. "to it's rightful place on the national stage," his endorsement of Mr. Huckabee "is at best disturbing."
"While I believe it is possible for a professional politician to change his mind on a subject as he becomes more informed, I have serious doubts that is the case with Huckabee," Mr. Wright said. "His past rhetoric about the goals of Minutemen everywhere has been vicious — parroting the tired and discredited foolishness that an American citizen's desire to see the law enforced is somehow racist or xenophobic."
(snip)
And this:
Real Minutemen Do Not Endorse Huckabee
No National Minuteman Group has endorsed Mike Huckabee.
One individual Minuteman has personally endorsed him.
For the sake of clarity, it is important to note that the Minuteman
Civil Defense Corps (MCDC), the nation's largest Minuteman organization,
is a 501(C)4 non-profit organization and cannot and does not endorse any
candidate for public office. MCDC is not associated with Mr. Jim
Gilchrist, who today endorsed Mike Huckabee for president.
Jim Gilchrist’s erstwhile Minuteman Project is itself an organization
which by its own representations as a non-profit civic group cannot
legally endorse candidates. It does not have any volunteers who observe
illegal border activity. It has no border fence building projects. Jim
Gilchrist here speaks only for Jim Gilchrist, he does not speak for the
Minuteman Civil Defense Corps, nor is he nationally representative of
most patriots in the "Minuteman movement" – who under no circumstances
could ignore the failed record nor endorse the duplicitous “plan”
recently rolled out by candidate Mike Huckabee. The national media needs
to recognize that Jim Gilchrist’s endorsement is his own personal
statement, nothing more.
The Minuteman Civil Defense Corps emphasizes policy dealing with
national border security. The only "plan" to ensure border security that
is acceptable to our constituency would be a candidate policy statement
declaring that his first act as President will be to hold a press
conference and announce to the American people an executive order to
immediately deploy and fund 30,000 National Guard personnel to the U.S.
Borders (25,000 to the southern border and 5,000 to the northern border)
to complement a massive increase in U.S. Border Patrol Agent field
personnel, and a bilateral effort to secure our frontiers, smash the
drug cartels, shut down the human smugglers and protect the public
safety of the citizens who reside along the borders on both sides of our
national boundaries.
Unlike this last-minute opportunism attempted by Huckabee, many of the
other GOP presidential candidates have actually helped push the issue of
national border security forward for some time. Tom Tancredo’s many
years of hard work on the border crisis and illegal immigration issues
have all the candidates striving to sound like him. Duncan Hunter can
take personal credit for getting the highly effective San Diego border
fence built. Ron Paul has been to the border with us first hand and
aggressively pushed positive border legislation. Alan Keyes has done
more than anyone to support the organizational development of MCDC, and
personally participated in the Minuteman Border Fence Groundbreaking –
advancing a citizen’s construction effort which has forced Congress to
finally get the Feds building physical border fence.
Only one Minuteman group is conducting regular multi-state border
security efforts, building fence and aggressively monitoring Washington
DC: Minuteman Civil Defense Corps. We would like to extend an invitation
to all the presidential candidates, Republican and Democrat, to come to
the border and see what is really happening on our nation’s frontier.
Not to take the safe little government photo-op helicopter ride, but see
the lay-up sites full of trash and debris. See the rape trees. See the
violent crime in the border towns. Walk on the pathways of destroyed
environmental terrain trampled by tens of thousands of invading foreign
migrants. See what the American elites’ support of broken borders,
unfettered illegal immigration and sanctuary cities is doing to our
fellow Americans who live on our borderlands, and how these failed
policies imperil our nation’s safety, security and prosperity.
With your support MCDC continues to make Border Security and Illegal
Immigration a national priority that must be resolved. Now more than
ever we need your help to continue the fight.
OK my friends, I think this will do it -now spread my words far and wide!
Volunteer NOW - Donate NOW!
*YOU can make a REAL DIFFERENCE*. So, for your sake, for the sake of
your children, your grandchildren, and for generations to come, *please
help MCDC* continue its fight to protect and preserve the United States
of America and defend our Constitution.
Sincerely for these United States,
Chris Simcox, President
Minuteman Civil Defense Corps
More at Hot Air
Are you starting to get the hint why those of us who fought our asses off against amnesty this summer really don't like Open-Borders Mike, and why open-borders shills like FReeper Dane and Michael Medved are shouting his praises from the mountaintops?
The REAL Mike Huckabee: Exposing the Dope from Hope
I think endorsements from other political figures who are respected do mean something. Steve King is respected in Iowa on this issue. He has earned credibility with the voters.
Why exactly does Fred deserve Tancredo’s endorsement. Before this primary season there is no evidence that Fred was strongly against illegals as he claims now to be.
Tancredo could have endorsed Hunter, but maybe he did’nt do that because he wanted to endorse a front runner.
“Are you new?”
Yeah, I only signed up in 1998....
Anymore snarky comments Billyboy?
The way I am look at it, if Hillary or Barack gets in the WH,
you will get complete amnesty to all illegals, open borders, more Ruth Bader Ginsburgs (a Clinton appointee) on the SCOTUS resulting in abortions on demand from 0-9 months on and on.
I am pledging to vote whoever the republican nominee is. It is perfectly OK to fight for your choice during the primaries. But once the winner is chosen, I will support him whether it is Mitt, Fred, Mike, John, Rudy or even Ron.
I'm not going to tell you Fred "deserved" it. I'm amazed he didn't endorse Hunter, to be perfectly frank. HOWEVER: Fred would certainly be more deserving than any of the other front-runners:
Roy Beck of Numbers USA on Fred's immigration plan:
When Fred Thompson came out with a detailed immigration policy this fall, I knew it was very good but was too busy leading the fight against amnesties in the Senate to give thorough attention.
Reading Thompson’s full proposed immigration policy this afternoon, I am blown away by its depth, its breadth and at how it would so fundamentally change Americans’ future for the better.
It's true that Numbers USA has been critical of Thompson in the past (mostly over LEGAL immigration issues, as they want a reduction in immigration overall), however Mr. Beck went further in his analysis:
As a Senator from Tennessee in the 1990s, Thompson had a mixed record on immigration. I've studied that record and believe it reflects the problem that we saw even in some of this year's Senate heroes who also were mediocre in the 1990s -- most of them just weren't paying much attention to this issue in the 1990s (just like a lot of you have only become active on this during the last couple of years).
NumbersUSA always gives ample credit to politicians who turn from bad or mediocre records and decide to become our champions. But less-than-stellar past records require us to look for signs of sincerity and assurance that they will follow through on their promises.
With Thompson, we will be watching closely for these signs. One strong point for him is that he finished his Senate career with an A-minus performance in 01/02 term after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. And since coming out with his official stance, he has not been equivocating when asked about immigration in media appearances or in strong immigration ads.
Indeed. And you'll get precisely the same with the RINO nominees with the added bonus of gargantuan gains for the Democrat party in 2010. Why we'll be lucky to have 25% of Congress by 2012. Just as the RINOs want it.
Fred and Hunter are the only other 2 candidates who rate excellent to good according to this respected opinion.
Hunter - Excellent, Excellent, Good
Thompson - Excellent, Good, Good
Romney - Fair, Good, Bad
The only other candidate besides Fred who deserved Tancredo’s endorsement was Hunter. Fred is still within striking distance for the nomination, so I think it is easy to make the case that he should have received it. At least it makes sense to me, as it does for Rep. King.
Nevertheless, the bottom line is that I can’t make a good case for Romney to have been Tom’s pick.
I'd ad Huckabee to that list if it were mine. I could hold my nose and vote for Romney or McCain. Rudy? probably not. Huckabee? DEFINITELY not.
The main thing I see about the conservative view is that not whether warming is happening, but rather, if man is responsible for it.
Anyways, if you're interested in a good debate, have a read. Might be a little long. but very interesting.
Carry on
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