Police Begin Fingerprinting on Traffic Stops

I stated Keep in mind, driving on public roadways is a State privilege, not a right.

You replied:

"That is an outright lie."

OK, so you are saying I am spreading a lie. I will repeat the truth to you, and see if you can understand it.

Public roadways belong to various government bodies. State highways, city streets etc. Each state has a governing body that issues drivers licenses to extend privileges to its states residents to operate a motor vehicle on those public roadways. IT IS NOT A RIGHT.

Those driving privileges can be suspended. Get to many citations, get a DWI (or DUI), have unpaid traffic violation convictions, your driving privileges will be revoked. In most states, if you get a DWI or DUI your driving privileges are suspended at the time of the arrest for a specific period of time.

This does not prevent one from operating a motor vehicle on private property, that would be a RIGHT. To operate the motor vehicle on a public roadway maintained by the state, county or city, is a privilege. Those driving privileges come with rules that you must abide by to maintain those driving privileges, and they vary slightly state by state. Those rules would be things like complying with speed limits, using turn signal to indicate lane changes, maintain vehicle liability insurance etc... Another rule most all states mandate to operate a vehcile on a public roadway is to carry your drivers license with you while operating a motor vehicle on a public roadway. That drivers license is your permission to operate a vehicle on the public roadway, because it is a privilege. Thats what a license is, revoke that license, your driving privileges re revoked.

As to your other comment on my post... I posted: "In the 60's when they first started putting pictures on driver's licenses, was that a government infringement?"

You answered "Yes."

Then don't get a license. If you do not agree with the rules of your state government to obtain its permission to drive on their roadways, don't get one. You just will not have legal driving privileges.

There is the truth.

I hope you and yours have a Merry Christmas, that is the truth as well.

I took the time and read through that guys web page you linked. This guy is a kook! The author; Ed Haas, is a 911 Conspiracy nutjob! He even hosted a 911 discussion with other 911 nutjobs. He claims government conspiracies many things and spreads his paranoid wild conclusions on his Muckraker page. He does quote allot of court decisions and remarks, and then draws conclusions that are not correct, and allot of them are bizzare. He even goes on this ramble on how the Police do not have authority to regulate traffic law and would be violating the Constitution in doing so.

If you truly believe that regulations that control driving privileges are wrong, and this kook is right, and that driving a car on a State Highway is in the Constitution (near the abortion clause I would guess), then then this guy is for you. I assume that if you are ever summed to traffic court by the unconstitutional efforts of traffic enforcers, you will express all this to the Judge, show him the light.

On a serious note, I think you should read over your state's driving laws. The web site you gave has good quotes by courts and judges, but Ed Haas drew outlandish conclusions from them. He is very very wrong, his opinions differ from all state, county and municipal courts across the nation that enforce traffic law. Dont let this guy get you into trouble.

I was not saying Ed Haas is a kook for his view on this issue, I call him a kook because of his 911 conspiracy theories. BTW, I’m not saying you are a kook either, I bet we would agree on more than disagree, I am not fan of big government controlling everything. I am not debating whether or not driving on public roadways should be a right, I am saying that they are not as they are written as state laws. If you want to say that they should be re-written or recognized as a right, well, that is a different point.

As for your family lawyer, I have no idea. Being an attorney doesn't say one way or the other about being a kook. The US Congress has many kooks that are lawyers, so does the ACLU so does the Sierra Club, so does PETA. Liberal kook lawyers are destroying the Country. But that does not mean all of them are kooks. Pick an issue, you will find experienced lawyers on every side.

HOO-RAY!!! It’s about time.

We just were inducted into the light earlier this week.

My wife was stopped for speeding in Haddonfield, NJ, and was immediately arrested - for of all things PROSTITUTION. Seems there was a warrant out for her arrest for a charge in Camden, NJ. I pleaded with the Haddonfield police to delay transferring her to the Camden County Jail (one of the scariest in the country) while we had this looked into.

What we discovered was that my wife’s sister - who is quite a low-life and has appropriated my wife’s identity once before in a traffic violation - had been arrested for prostitution and used my wife’s name. All you need is a name and either a birth date or Social Security number and you can say you are whoever you want. Since prostitution is a citation event in Camden, there was no picture or fingerprint taken. If this new law would have been in affect, my wife would have been let go immediately. Instead, I had to get the sister out of a flophouse, drag her by the neck to Camden, and get the thing transferred over. We now have to appear in court at the end of the month (and hope the sister will show up). We have also filed charges against her.

As much fun as this event has been, I would have gladly given it up for another boring day of life.

FINGERPRINT AWAY! It’s about time!

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