Police Begin Fingerprinting on Traffic Stops

wBay ^ | 12/15/07 | Sarah Thomsen

[Emmett McCarthy]

I guess you’re more or less “cc-ing” me with your post because I most emphatically didn’t use the word “stupid”.

[Eaker]

No, kempo did and I disagree with them about you post.

[basil]

Yeah—I’ve seen it, and I’m not surprised. As a nation, we are totally screwed.

[righthand man]

“Your Papers,Please!” just a matter of time it's coming

[Emmett McCarthy]

That’s what I thought you were saying. I appreciate your thoughts.

[KoRn]

ping

[TheLion]

I used to sell securities and had to go to the police when applying for some licenses. They used the old fashioned ink....very messy. I don’t know if I have a problem with this or not. The could round up a lot of criminals with it though....provided they use the data well.

[traviskicks]

Libertarian ping! To be added or removed from my ping list freepmail me or post a message here.

[steveo]

Ever since I can remember, cali required a thumb-print for your drivers license application. Yust for grins I’d like for someone getting a ticket asking for the leo’s fingerprints.

[Squantos]

For non criminal traffic offenses, or infractions, this should never be done as policy

I think that was the issue vs what we did as well with situations you describe. Our field interview cards had a place for a lone fingerprint even back in 1980's..... But the SOP was for other than routine traffic stops !

[Popman]

cali required a thumb-print for your drivers license application

Really?

Amazing how that corrected California illegal problem < / s>

[KevinB]

Thats the stupidest remark I’ve ever read on this forum. congratulations.

Actually, I think his remark was pretty accurate.

[steveo]

Amazing how that corrected California illegal problem

You're assuming that they were going to follow the law an get DLs in the first place.

[Bernard Marx]

I remember reading that when Social Security was first proposed way back when, that most Americans did NOT want a government number to be used to identify them.

I still have my original Social Security Card. Printed right across the bottom: "For Social Security Purposes -- Not for Identification." How times have changed!

[Abathar]

It is getting to the point where I am thinking of getting a camera mounted in my truck with a hidden on/off switch. This is getting outrageous, I wonder how hard the officers will try and push it if you deny them? A camera is about our last line of defense for the other 99% of the sheeple to understand what is really going on here.

[Clint Williams]

Freedom comes at a cost. Law-abiding citizens may have to be willing to go to jail to fight this kind of tyranny. But at some point, either you fight it, or the tyrants just tighten the noose.

Folks in this country are already so accustomed to "wearing the noose" this won't make a bit of difference. I'll bet you find some FReepers even who will consider the consolidation of such biometrics by the Feds to be a good thing.

[gitmo]

Don't print me, Bro!

[Myrddin]

"That's going too far," Ken Scherer from Oconto said. "You look at the ID, that's what they're there for. Either it's you or it's not. I don't think that's a valid excuse."

This person is apparently ignorant of fake ids. Until an ID has biometrics on board, digitally signed by a trusted source and validated against the person presenting the ID, you can't be certain of anything. Fake IDs are a big business. A good thumb print on a citation is pretty hard to refute for the owner of the thumb. The thumb print approach worked wonders for cutting down on welfare fraud in California. Before the advent of thumb print scanning, the welfare scammers would travel from office to office presenting a variety of different identification to collect welfare benefits. Once the thumb print scan was required, the multiple dippers were quickly caught. Those who figured out the process before attempting another scam were reduced to a single "dip" at the welfare office. There was a massive reduction in payments.

[Myrddin]

How difficult would it be to pull the ticket and check a fingerprint?

It's pretty easy. My finger prints are on file for my security clearances and CCW background investigations. No iris scans yet, but there are databases with that information as well.

[IronJack]

Oh, for sure. There’s a strong “If you’re not doing anything wrong you have nothing to worry about” contingent on here. “Conservative” does not equal “libertarian.”