Posted on 12/24/2007 2:48:03 PM PST by Plutarch
| Likely Republican Caucus Goers | Dec 06 | Jan 07 | Feb 07 | Mar 07 | Apr 07 | May 07 | Jun 07 | Jul 07 | Aug 07 | Sep 07 | Oct 07 |
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| Brownback | 1% | 1% | 2% | - | 1% | 3% | 3% | 1% | - | 2% | ni |
| Gilmore | - | - | - | - | 1% | 1% | - | ni | ni | ni | ni |
| Gingrich | 18% | 16% | 16% | 7% | 8% | 8% | 5% | 4% | 7% | 5% | ni |
| Giuliani | 28% | 27% | 31% | 29% | 19% | 23% | 18% | 22% | 17% | 21% | 16% |
| Hagel | 6% | 5% | 2% | 1% | 1% | 2% | 1% | ni | ni | ni | ni |
| Huckabee | 1% | 2% | 1% | - | 2% | 2% | 1% | 1% | 14% | 4% | 19% |
| Hunter | - | - | - | - | - | - | 1% | 2% | 1% | 2% | - |
| Keyes | ni | ni | ni | ni | ni | ni | ni | ni | ni | 1% | - |
| McCain | 26% | 22% | 23% | 29% | 26% | 25% | 13% | 17% | 5% | 11% | 14% |
| Pataki | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | ni | ni | ni | ni |
| Paul | ni | - | - | - | - | - | 1% | 1% | 1% | 2% | 1% |
| Romney | 6% | 11% | 8% | 10% | 14% | 16% | 25% | 21% | 27% | 22% | 27% |
| Tancredo | ni | 1% | 1% | 1% | 2% | 2% | 1% | 1% | - | 1% | 2% |
| F Thompson | ni | ni | ni | 12% | 13% | 6% | 14% | 13% | 13% | 16% | 8% |
| T Thompson | - | - | - | 1% | 1% | 2% | 3% | 2% | ni | ni | ni |
| Undecided | 14% | 15% | 17% | 11% | 13% | 10% | 14% | 15% | 15% | 13% | 13% |
i personally see these polls as inaccurate at best... dishonest at the worst.
when its all said and done, i would love to see which polls were most accurate all along the way. i see the national polls as the libs trying to shape the GOPs choice, thereby giving the beast an easier chance at winning.
Nope.
“You’re a pathetic bigot and an embarrasment to the Free Republic.”
“Romney is running for the Presidency of the United States, not Pope, not Grand Pooba of the Southern Baptist Convention.”
First, there is no “Grand Pooba of the SBC”, which is a thing I’m glad you brought up. There is NO central control in that denomination. That is why you see many different conservatives in the SBC back different folks - not just Huckabee.
However, Mike Huckabee (right or wrong) has made it clear he is running as a “Christian leader” but not to dominate the nation with his personal beliefs. However, he is clear that they WILL influence him. Romney has attempted to distance himself from his, but that dog won’t hunt. No true mormon could do that, and I believe he really is a true mormon.
Besides there is plenty of material out there to indicate he “consults” the high dudes regularly and they have supported him. An example from 2006:
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/10/19/romney_camp_consulted_with_mormon_leaders/
an excerpt:
“Over the past two months, Romney’s political operatives and church leaders have discussed building a grass-roots political organization using alumni chapters of Brigham Young University’s business school around the country. More recently, representatives of BYU, which is run by the church, and Romney’s political action committee have begun soliciting help from prominent Mormons, including a well-known author suggested by the governor, to build the program, which Romney advisers dubbed Mutual Values and Priorities, or MVP.”
“The president and prophet of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Gordon B. Hinckley, has been made aware of the effort and expressed no opposition, the documents show, and at least one other top church official has played a more active role.”
“Church officials and Romney advisers downplayed the discussions. Church officials say they have a position of strict neutrality on political matters and are not supporting Romney’s candidacy.”
“But documents indicate that Jeffrey R. Holland, one of 12 apostles who help lead the church worldwide, has handled the initiative for the Mormons and that he hosted a Sept. 19 meeting about it in his church office in Salt Lake City with Josh Romney, one of the governor’s sons; Don Stirling, a paid consultant for the Commonwealth PAC, Romney’s political action committee; and Kem Gardner, a prominent Salt Lake City developer who is one of Romney’s biggest donors. Globe reporters observed Romney’s representatives enter and leave chuch headquarters for the meeting.”
More articles:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/03/AR2007040301737_pf.html
http://www.rickross.com/reference/mormon/mormon345.html
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,650201262,00.html
http://www.latimes.com/la-me-mormons18dec18,0,4828843,full.story?coll=la-home-center
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1562941-1,00.html
Whatever, whether you think I believe in a flat earth or not, is irrelevant. You are being obtuse if you don’t grasp that LDS officials in Salt Lake City will exert an influence over a Romney presidency.
If that makes me a bigot in your eyes, then I can live with that. For I’m just warning you.
Your paranoia would be comical if it were not so depressing. Christians bashing Mormons is not my idea of improving the country. You are locked into your own little conspiratorial universe and I'm confident you are immune to logical and rational thought on this subject. Ergo I won't waste your time and my time.
Merry Christmas.
“What does any of this stuff have to do with anything? I understand what YOU wrote. But what does all that drivel from Hinkley about how we ought not discipline our children have to do with the price of tea in China?”
This gentlemen is a mormon just like Romney. To them this quoted man is a prophet & seer that speaks directly for God. They are not “bad” people, often they are the most moral of people, but what they believe is not “real” Christianity. Or if it is, then all other “Christians” are false. You see the two can’t coexist. They could both be wrong, but they can’t both be right.
He helps me make my point about how Romney will be guided by the LDS officials in Salt Lake City.
If this is what the country wants, then fine. I just want to be sure they know what they are getting.
So you think that Romney should accept no help from any members of his church? That would be the height of stupidity for him, and one thing is isn’t is stupid. The mormon way of life frequently leads to significant prosperity, and he must tap that to win.
Second, do you really think that he is a kool-aid mormon? If so, why did he promise to govern the people of Massachusetts according to their moral values (ie, to not mess with their precious abortion rights)? He followed through with that one. You are either ill-informed or malicious, and I lean towards the former.
On another topic - check out the negative correlation between McCain and Fred. What’s with that? Why would Fred people go back to McCain? (I guess there’s no place else to go, sadly)
“Your paranoia would be comical if it were not so depressing. Christians bashing Mormons is not my idea of improving the country. You are locked into your own little conspiratorial universe and I’m confident you are immune to logical and rational thought on this subject. Ergo I won’t waste your time and my time.”
Oh, the same kind of MSM conspiracy theories I see posted on FR all the time that says various candidates have been picked by the MSM so the Dems can beat them. That kind of crazy? Well, I guess I fit right in, don’t I? :-)
I’m glad of one thing though, you did say “Christians bashing mormons”, which would indicate you see them as separate groups.
I want to wish you and all (including Mormons) a Merry Christmas also. Keep safe and warm.
“If so, why did he promise to govern the people of Massachusetts according to their moral values (ie, to not mess with their precious abortion rights)?”
I wished I could find the article where Romney was talkng about this. As I remember he called Salt Lake and they told him not to sweat it. Mormons have always been able to shift (new revelation) or bend to stay in place.
Regarding Fred and John. They are old friends. I would expect if Fred dropped out he would endorse McCain. I could vote for McCain, he is way down on my list, but I could vote for him.
Ron Paul, dismissed here is a quixotic 1 percenter not long ago, is in double digits and ahead of Fred. The trend is moving slowly but surely in his direction. If Ron beats Fred, do you think that time Russert will ask him he plans to run as a third party candidate since “he can’t win.”
You mean like how "Howard Dean will be the nominee" was official?
Actually, we’re all reading tea leaves here. This is the most fragmented and unpredictable presidential primary race in decades.
Yep, and no matter who wins Iowa, it’s not going to be over.
That's reality.
President "Romney" the mormon and President Huckabee the other Governor from Ar Kansas are just not going to happen.
Since the GOP is largely comprised of people that are not drooling imbeciles I expect that Thompson will be the nominee is spite of what a bunch of Iowans say.
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In one highly dubious poll. See this, though, much more likely to represent the current state of affairs:
Below are the results of a three-day poll in the state of Iowa. Results are based on telephone interviews with 600 likely Republican cacus goers and 600 likely Democratic cacus goers, aged 18+, and conducted December 16-18, 2007. The margin of sampling error is ±4.5 percentage points for each party.
1. If the 2008 Republican presidential caucus were held today between Rudy Giuliani, Mike Huckabee, Duncan Hunter, John McCain, Ron Paul, Mitt Romney, Tom Tancredo, and Fred Thompson, for whom would you vote? (Republicans Only; Names Rotated)
Mike Huckabee 31%
Mitt Romney 25%
Fred Thompson 16%
John McCain 8%
Rudy Giuliani 6%
Ron Paul 5%
Tom Tancredo 2%
Duncan Hunter 1%
Undecided 6%
Go FRed!
Hank
Wonder why people can't see the forest from the trees in Primary season.
OJ has a better shot at being elected POTUS that Ron Paul.
“Are Freepers that far off the national thought?”
Freepers ARE way far off the national thought. Usually are.
Yet by talking to each other in this echo chamber, Freepers start thinking the rest of the nation just must be like them.
Go out and talk to non-political folks that vote. You will NOT find the animosity towards McCain, and they will say Hunter who?
If felons could vote, all the other candidates would be toast and Huckabee would reign supreme.
Thank goodness, felons can’t vote.
The Huckabust is coming!
I like your thinking!
Go Mitt Romney!
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