Truth Squad: Response to Misleading Club For Growth Attack Ad

Mike Huckabee for President ^ | 12/26/2007 | Mike Huckabee for President

[keepitreal]

Hope Huck doesn’t tax them. It would be a damned shame.

[muawiyah]

BTW, that's an LA Times story. Those have to be discounted immediately ~ they hate Republicans ~ and cannot be trusted. Remember when they were part of the Tribune Group which was caught several times misrepresenting circulation records so they could rip off their advertisers and the USPS?

Definitely a thieving bunch of varmints.

[FocusNexus]

“One problem: His gubernatorial records are not publicly available.

Electronic records were destroyed by his aides as he left office (more about that here). And the paper records were donated to his college alma mater, which has not made them available.”

Those records that I mentioned in my post 30, based on an LAT article. If we already know everything why is Huckabee not allowing people access to his gubernatorial records?

[muawiyah]

State of Virginia tags those cakes with a 4.5% sales tax ~ and gluten free products always cost more anyway.

I guess I should be happy to eat an uncooked sliced potato hung out over the pike smoking bed and just let those dreams of chocolate cake drift away!

[muawiyah]

We were talking about taxes and spending ~ what else is there?

[keepitreal]

Poor you. I live in a state that doesn’t feel the need to tax our sustenance to pay for more bureaucrats to man its programs “for the people”.

[dcwusmc]

With only very minor exceptions-— which ones are left as an exercise for the student -— ALL government spending is misuse of funds... of OTHER PEOPLES’ money. Taken at gunpoint by government. If you doubt that, tell your tax collector to bugger off and see what he does. If you resist their depredations enough, THEY WILL KILL YOU.

[muawiyah]

You'd be among the first to find that postal delivery services had been withdrawn from his or her neighborhood should the government stop funding the cops.

Yup, sure would, and UPS and Fedex wouldn't go there either.

Technically speaking, governments can be a problem. On the other hand this country was founded by folks who really did believe that:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. "

So do I. Would appear we have little to debate, right?

[levotb]

Thanks, FocusNexus!

I wasn’t aware of that article on Huckabee’s records as Governor not being available. Sounds very Clintonian and eveb Nixonian to me...

[levotb]

Thanks, FocusNexus!

I wasn’t aware of that article on Huckabee’s records as Governor not being available. Sounds very Clintonian and eveb Nixonian to me...

[wastedpotential]

I think that he believes that some taxes at the state level are OK, if voted for by the public. Here in OH, people vote for property tax levys (why i don’t know) to support schools, fire departments and the like all the time.

The difference is, that Gov. Huckabee believes these are state issues, not federal. As such, the federal taxes collected are more than enough to meet that need, which is why he supported the Bush tax cuts and wants to do away with federal income taxes altogether and put in the fair tax.

[wastedpotential]

Based on their own criteria, they would have run ads against Ronald Reagan when he ran for president because he too supported popular tax increases while governor of California to provide infrastructure.

This is the job that state and local governments are to do, not the federal government. That belief is called federalism.

[FocusNexus]

“wants to do away with federal income taxes altogether and put in the fair tax.

I am all in favor of the fair tax. But the likelyhood that Huckabee can do that is slim to none. Can you see Congress doing that — without which he is just all talk. And just exactly when did Huckabee started to favor the fair tax? Sounds like a gimmick to me.

But his belief system, that the government should take care of everyone and control everyone, and use the government to advance his belief system — such as penalizing people who smoke, or don’t eat and exercise the way he, Huckabee, would prescribe it — is very evident. And we didn’t even get to his fatal naivite about our enemies — Jimmy Carter in Republican clothing.

[wastedpotential]

2 things:

I agree that instituting the fair tax will be nearly impossible to accomplish during the first 2 years in office, but an articulate president speaking directly to the people could use the 2010 elections as a referendum on that issue. Huckabee strikes me as the type that would be unafraid to make his case personally to the people.

On the second point, I disagree. I think that in some ways his statements made at the state level would not be applicable at the federal level. He believes in federalism and so would leave all issues like that (the nanny state issues) to the states to decide. The only one he has said he would not is abortion - he supports a federal ban as it is morally wrong and not something that should change from state to state.

I am not trying to get you to support him, but I want to stand up for him as I think he is getting mischaracterized by many because he is not part of the established Republican party.

[sgtyork]

His response to Bhuttos assasination was bush league. He is running as a Christian candidate. He’s as dirty as Clinton was. I think we need to go a few decades before we have another governor of Arkansas elected as President.

[sgtyork]

Expanding on Christian candidate. As Rush said, its identity politics. I’ll vote for a religious candidate after examining all his qualifications, same for black, same for woman, etc. etc.

[wastedpotential]

I agree with you that “religion” has become a big part of this campaign, but I believe that is largely because Huckabee was a baptist minister and Romney is a mormon. The media could not help itself with the contrast and Huckabee did use it as a way to introduce himself to voters who largely did not know him or what he was about, as well as contrast himself with Romney, particularly because Romney has flip flopped recently on issues that social conservatives hold dear - abortion and gay rights. I actually believe that Huckabee now needs to move on to policy if he wants to actually get the nomination.

The onus is on him and his campaign to change the minds of folks like you and Rush Limbaugh that he is not the socialist that he is painted to be by so many who want him to fail. If he does well in Iowa, he will have about 2 weeks to accomplish that before South Carolina. Look for his message to change to more policy speeches and less biographical speeches.

[FocusNexus]

I used to be mildly positive on Huckabee, because he appeared to be positive, appeared to have willpower to lose a lot of weight, has been governor. So I most certainly wasn’t biased against him.

But as more and more things about him came to light, I came to regard him as a serious danger to us: his total delusions on how to deal with our enemies came to light (this is NOT mere inexperience, this is total naivite that can get us all killed), his belief in the government being the answer to everything, and yes, that includes the Federal government, his tax policies, his record of favoring income redistribution, taking money from organizations that are in complete opposition to his stated belief system (took “speaking fees” from organizations promoting stem cell research, gun control, etc) are more than enough to not only not vote for him in the primaries, but also recognize that the Dems would demolish him in the general election.

[Eric Blair 2084]

Bud Light presents:

"REAL MEN OF GENIUS"

...(Real men of genius)

Today we salute you, Mr. Mike Huckabee paid FR campaign shill!

...(Mr. Mike Huckabee paid FR campaign shill)

What does a liberal Republican do when he is afraid to face grass roots conservatives himself? He pays his coffee and errand boy minimum wage to do it for him

...(skim milk with three sweet and lows)

Sitting in a cubicle at campaign headquarters you search Conservative websites like the NY Times, Washington Post, LA Times, Salon, CNN and Daily Kos looking for favorable articles about the Huckster to post on FR

...(oooh, here's one from DU!)

Armed with nothing but talking points from Hucks' website, you attempt to convince conservatives that your candidate is not a Christian socialist or a pro-life Democrat

...(Jesus would want amnesty for illegals)

When FReepers say Huck is a fiscal liberal, algore loving environmental wacko, open border amnesty pusher, Jimmy Carter foreign policy appeaser, nanny state smoker banner you provide the brilliant original response...a link to his campaign website

...(copy, paste, copy, paste)

Conservatives? We don't need no stinkin' Conservatives!

...(Highly overrated)

All we need is a leftist who is pro-life, has an R next to his name, and talks about Jesus.

...(Praise the Lord!)

So crack open an ice cold Bud Light, oh Karl Rove of the blogosphere, because when a FReeper runs for office, we'll be calling you...

...(Mr. Mike Huckabee paid FR campaign shill)

Bud Light beer. Anheuser-Busch, St. Louis, Missouri.

[maxter]

Their track record is excellent, i.e., Senator Tom Coburn and Senator DeMint come to mind.