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Truth Squad: Response to Misleading Club For Growth Attack Ad
Mike Huckabee for President ^ | 12/26/2007 | Mike Huckabee for President

Posted on 12/29/2007 5:00:21 PM PST by wastedpotential

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Just in the interests of a full airing of both sides and fairness.
1 posted on 12/29/2007 5:00:24 PM PST by wastedpotential
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To: wastedpotential

“Why the Governor Raised Taxes “

So he ADMITS he raised taxes. He rather raised taxes, than cut spending.

This is a DEMOCRAT approach to budget — spend, spend, than tax, tax, and so on.


2 posted on 12/29/2007 5:03:00 PM PST by FocusNexus
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To: wastedpotential
Very useful. I'd just been accused for smearing the Club for Growth because I asked how they got around to ranking "projects" so that we could know which ones were pork and which were not.

These guys are dishonest aren't they?!

3 posted on 12/29/2007 5:05:03 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: wastedpotential
Very useful. I'd just been accused for smearing the Club for Growth because I asked how they got around to ranking "projects" so that we could know which ones were pork and which were not.

These guys are dishonest aren't they?!

4 posted on 12/29/2007 5:05:06 PM PST by muawiyah
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“Beer Tax: Huckabee opposed letting the tax expire (2006) — The tax was used to fund programs for abused and neglected children. Without the tax there would be no funds for those programs. “

It’s always “for the children”. Straight out of the Dem talking points.


5 posted on 12/29/2007 5:05:28 PM PST by FocusNexus
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To: wastedpotential
In general, Mr. Huckabee supported tax increases when he had a defined goal in mind, whether it was schools, roads or parks.

“He tended to raise taxes for specific government programs,” said Jay Barth, an associate political science professor at Hendrix College in Conway, Ark. “He does believe in a robust government as an active force in the lives of its citizens, especially in helping the little guy.

Glad to know that he only raises taxes for programs and that he believes in a robust government as an active force in the lives of its citizens. Sounds pretty conservative to me. (Huge sarcasm)

6 posted on 12/29/2007 5:08:48 PM PST by keepitreal
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To: FocusNexus
You definitely missed the point of why we are always reminding folks that the Dems say they are doing stuff "for the children" ~ it's because THEY ALWAYS LIE ABOUT THAT. Dems never do anything for the children ~ not really.

Now, was this tax actually used to fund programs for abused and neglected children or not? Do you know? If it wasn't you may have some kind of point to make. If it was used properly, take it up with the Arkansas electorate.

7 posted on 12/29/2007 5:09:53 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: FocusNexus

Read the entire article.

BTW, Reagan also raised taxes while governor of California for things that states are supposed to do, not the federal government. Would it be more Republican to simply ask the Senators of the state to put the funding in as some earmarked, pork barrel project like the Bridge to Nowhere in Alaska or the Big Dig in Boston?


8 posted on 12/29/2007 5:11:52 PM PST by wastedpotential
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For those who want to be informed — the Club for Growth anti-Huckabee ad and their white paper on Huck’s record, WITH REFERENCES. Recommend actually READING it.

http://www.clubforgrowth.net/2007/12/ad_buy_increasedagain.html

http://www.clubforgrowth.com/2007/11/updated_huckabee_white_paper.php

Spending

The Club for Growth is committed to reducing government spending. Less spending enhances economic growth by enabling lower taxes and diminishing the economically inefficient political allocation of resources.

Under Governor Huckabee’s watch, state spending increased a whopping 65.3% from 1996 to 2004, three times the rate of inflation.[38] The number of state government workers rose 20% during his tenure,[39] and the state’s general obligation debt shot up by almost $1 billion, according to Americans for Tax Reform.[40] The massive increase in government spending is due in part to the number of new programs and expansion of already existing programs initiated by Governor Huckabee, including ARKids First, a multimillion-dollar government program to provide health coverage for thousands of Arkansas’ children.[41]

These large increases in government borrowing and spending significantly impede economic growth.

UPDATE: Huckabee is the only Republican presidential candidate to refuse to endorse President Bush’s veto of a vastly expanded and expensive SCHIP program.[42]


9 posted on 12/29/2007 5:11:56 PM PST by FocusNexus
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To: wastedpotential
... including fighting for tuition breaks for the children of illegal immigrants.

..nuff said

10 posted on 12/29/2007 5:12:57 PM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: keepitreal
In Arkansas they are working from the bottom up. Ever been there?

Mississippi, Puerto Rico and Arkansas share some things you know, and not just rice fields.

They could quadruple all tax rates there and the total tax "take" from the state's economy would still not crank them up to "average".

George Wallace worked the "bottom up angle" for years and years and was wildly popular with the people ~ they really did want taxes raised, public infrastructure improved (particularly the schools), and Alabama's image dramatically improved.

11 posted on 12/29/2007 5:13:15 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: FocusNexus
They claim only the “rich” pay 7% in Arkansas State income taxes. The truth is all you have to make is like $20,000 a year and you pay 7%.
12 posted on 12/29/2007 5:13:28 PM PST by kempo (I)
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To: wastedpotential
In 2003 the state's chief financial officer projected a $62.3 million revenue shortfall that would result in cuts in state services, possible layoffs, tax increases or the possible repeal of late 1990s tax cuts. Governor Huckabee told the Legislature that he would accept any recommendation they could agree on in order to meet the law's requirement to balance the budget. The Legislature was presented a series of options and chose to increase the tax on tobacco.

Be damned the idea that a liberal need be placed in the position to cut spending to meet lawful budget obligations....

Oh wait, he's a Republican.

I retract my statement.

13 posted on 12/29/2007 5:16:00 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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So, how would you have balanced the budget that year?

I think you're letting your rhetoric about "tax cuts" drag you around the stall where you are in serious danger of being stomped on by the cows that give the milk.

14 posted on 12/29/2007 5:17:51 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Taxes on groceries, gasoline, nursing home beds, cigarettes, beer, and sales taxes are regressive taxes. They affect those of the lowest incomes the most.


15 posted on 12/29/2007 5:18:04 PM PST by keepitreal
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To: kempo

$28,500


16 posted on 12/29/2007 5:20:08 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

“Now, was this tax actually used to fund programs for abused and neglected children or not? Do you know? If it wasn’t you may have some kind of point to make. If it was used properly, take it up with the Arkansas electorate.”

These are all pathetic excuses.

This is no different, than if you say had a friend, who comes to you and begs for money, because she doesn’t have money for food for her child. So you give her money — then she spends it on booze and drugs, or whatever, and comes to you again asking for money “for food for her child”. The difference is, that you can finally come to your senses and stop giving her money, but when the government does it, you don’t have a choice, they keep taking money from you “for the children”, while wasting the take on whatever they want.


17 posted on 12/29/2007 5:21:36 PM PST by FocusNexus
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To: muawiyah
So, how would you have balanced the budget that year?

I'm a Democrat so I would tax business and personal freedoms to compensate for budgetary incompetence and then run for office again with a different slogan and repeat as necessary until I lose track of my political lies and lose all credibility and disappear into oblivion.

18 posted on 12/29/2007 5:23:49 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: muawiyah
"Some other taxes came about directly because of Mr. Huckabee’s efforts. After becoming governor in 1996, he traveled the length of the Arkansas River within the state to win support for an additional one-eighth-cent sales tax to improve the state parks system."

This is from the above "explanation" from the Huckabee site, that started this thread. He actually campaigned and initiated raising taxes -- he is admitting it, this is not a "Club for Growth smear". He obviously thinks that the solution to everything is more taxes. The state should live within its means, prioritize its needs, instead of raising taxes.

19 posted on 12/29/2007 5:26:37 PM PST by FocusNexus
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To: kempo
That's on your $28,500 taxable net income AFTER they give you deductions equal to those provided in the federal income tax system.

In Virginia, an "average" tax state, you hit the top state personal income tax rate at $17,000.

You have to make at least $90,000 per annum in New York, a high tax state, to reach the same levels of taxation as Arkansas and Virginia.

The trick is that each state has a variety of other taxing options, and they don't all go after tax revenues the same way. There are, of course, reasons for this ~ different economies, different costs, different industries, commercial operations, and so forth.

Just thought you'd like to know that the individual incometax rates were not (according to another poster on this thread) changed in Arkansas while Huckabee was Governor. They were, however, changed while Bill Clinton was Governor.

Citizens of Arkansas would consider themselves to be exceptionally blessed by God if they could get their personal income tax rates down to New York's level.

20 posted on 12/29/2007 5:26:46 PM PST by muawiyah
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