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Fort Worth police won't take 'no' for an answer
Fort Worth Star Telegram ^ | December 29, 2007 | MELODY McDONALD

Posted on 12/29/2007 7:41:14 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084

Drunken drivers, consider yourself warned: The cops will be out for blood.

Motorists on Fort Worth roads who refuse to take a breath test after being stopped for suspected drunken driving on New Year's Eve and New Year's Day will have their blood drawn to determine whether they are impaired.

"If you refuse to take that blood test, we are going to ask for a warrant from a magistrate and come back and take your blood," said Fort Worth Police Chief Ralph Mendoza. "Basically, we are going to get our evidence one way or the other."

For the first time, Fort Worth police are launching a DWI No Refusal campaign in an effort to keep drunken drivers off the roads during the holiday.

In a news conference Friday morning, Mendoza, along with officials from the Tarrant County district attorney's office, Dalworthington Gardens, and Mothers Against Drunk Driving warned motorists not to get behind the wheel if they have imbibed.

"If you are stopped by a Fort Worth police officer and you are arrested for DWI, we are going to get a sample," said prosecutor Richard Alpert, who specializes in the prosecution of DWI and intoxication manslaughter cases. "We are going to get the evidence we need in court to prove your guilt. There is no way around it."

Defense attorney Abe Factor who routinely defends those arrested for DWI, said he believes that the campaign is little more than a publicity ploy and that the results will be lackluster, partly because the process will take time and many will score below the legal limit of 0.08.

"To me, it's more sizzle than steak," he said. "It's a good for thing for them to have a press conference over, but the numbers are going to be fairly small. If they stop someone who is really intoxicated, they are going to have them videotaped all over the place anyway."

The idea for the no refusal holiday came from senior prosecutor Lloyd Whelchel of the Tarrant County district attorney's office.

Whelchel recently attended a training seminar and reminded officials that authorities in El Paso and Harris County had similar programs in place.

The campaign will run from 8 p.m. Monday to 5 a.m. Tuesday and from 8 p.m. Tuesday to 5 a.m. Wednesday. If a Fort Worth police officer pulls over a suspected drunken driver who refuses a breath test, the officer will seek a search warrant from a magistrate.

The suspect will then be taken to a room at the Fort Worth Police Department, where at least three officers with Dalworthington Gardens Public Safety Department will be on hand to take their blood.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: alcohol; donutwatch; dwi; nannystate
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

You’re right, but there is a simple and constitutional solution to this problem. If the refusal of the driver to submit to a blood alcohol test compromises investigations, there is a simple solution. It’s otherwise known as night court.

Arrest the driver on suspicion, an absolutely legal reason. If he refuses the test, bring him before the judge, who can issue the warrant for the search. The odor associated with the consumption of alcohol is not protected under the fifth amendment. If you stink like a drunk, you stink like a drunk.

The judge issues a warrant and your blood is drawn. This could be done in minutes, except that it goes against the grain and it makes judges work night hours they would rather not do.

So to hell with the constitution.


101 posted on 12/29/2007 8:38:06 PM PST by sig226 (New additions to the list of democrat criminals - see my profile)
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To: mtbopfuyn
Once again, if judges wouldn’t let DUI’s off with a stern look, we wouldn’t be force to be poked with a needle for no reason than the cop had nothing better to do that day.

I totally agree.

102 posted on 12/29/2007 8:38:46 PM PST by gunservative
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To: SIDENET

(Sidenet sitting on the pot) “just doing my bit for FFFFreeedom..ahh” L0L


103 posted on 12/29/2007 8:39:09 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Calpernia
>>>>>>”If you are stopped by a Fort Worth police officer and you are arrested for DWI, we are going to get a sample,”

This is only if you are arrested for it though, right? Is this really a bad thing?<<


Well, normally you are not required to give evidence against your self - right against self incrimination and all that.
104 posted on 12/29/2007 8:39:16 PM PST by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: Neu Pragmatist

“Insanity . I wonder if MADD is behind this ?”

Yes. In a similar article last night, it said MADD even funds the nurses that will collect the blood sample. It wasn’t about Tarrant County, though.


105 posted on 12/29/2007 8:39:41 PM PST by nralife
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To: Calpernia
"I don’t understand why the Breathalyzer would be refused."

Gargle with Listerine, or other alcohol laden mouthwash and take a breathalyzer test up to 30 minutes later...you'll light it up like a Christmas tree. In those cases, you'd virtually have to have your blood drawn to prove you weren't over the legal limit.

106 posted on 12/29/2007 8:40:28 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: saganite

Shut up and get in the boxcar.


107 posted on 12/29/2007 8:40:31 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: MarkL

presumed guilt? fancy that


108 posted on 12/29/2007 8:40:51 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: SIDENET

Give the authoritahs a stool sample and you will get the Abner Louima treatment. You will obey. Stretch out your arm and welcome the needle of Gubmint in your vein. You will learn to love Big Brother.


109 posted on 12/29/2007 8:42:29 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Don W
To me, it appears the police state is getting as oppressive as the overbearing sherriff in a bad western, like "The Quick and the Dead".

Wayne Thompson

110 posted on 12/29/2007 8:44:11 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Given your tagline I’ll take that as a humorous remark.


111 posted on 12/29/2007 8:46:19 PM PST by saganite (Lust type what you what in the “tagline” space)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
LOL!!
112 posted on 12/29/2007 8:48:13 PM PST by Don W ( Police were called to a day care where a three-year-old was resisting a rest.)
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To: saganite

Everything I say is humorous. Some people just don’t get the joke until they are behind bars.


113 posted on 12/29/2007 8:50:01 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Calpernia

“Why would someone refuse a breathalyser?”

I do. I had a cop stop me just because I decided not to make a left turn and stay in my lane after signaling.


114 posted on 12/29/2007 8:50:50 PM PST by CodeToad
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To: Calpernia
"only after there is just cause for arrest."

The article said no such thing. It said:

Fort Worth Police Chief Ralph Mendoza. "Basically, we are going to get our evidence one way or the other."

I read it as, "If we think you might be drunk, we will pull you over, and worthiness of our initial determination be damned, we will take your blood."

115 posted on 12/29/2007 8:54:30 PM PST by CodeToad
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To: Eric Blair 2084
Absolutely INBELIEVABLE!! I for one would love to hear each and every candidate for President, answer the question “Is this Constitutional?”
116 posted on 12/29/2007 8:56:06 PM PST by gidget7 ( Vote for the Arsenal of Democracy, because America RUNS on Duncan!)
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Color me (extremely) mildly amused.


117 posted on 12/29/2007 8:57:40 PM PST by saganite (Lust type what you what in the “tagline” space)
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To: saganite

Good. You’re only one step from laughing to keep from crying.


118 posted on 12/29/2007 9:02:09 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms shouldn't be a federal agency...it should be a convenience store.)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
They'll generally take you to the station, into small room with a bed and restraints, and several large people will put you in a straight jacket like devise, if necessary they'll stand on you until some kinky little weirdo starts sticking needles in your arms.

You try and fight it, and they'll beat you to a pulp and charge you with resisting.

119 posted on 12/29/2007 9:02:10 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: Eric Blair 2084

Thanks for the ping!


120 posted on 12/29/2007 9:08:28 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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