(Poll to FREEP) Is the statewide smoking ban good or bad for Illinois?

State Journal Register ^ | December 30, 2007 | the eagle has landed

[TheEaglehasLanded]

The statewide smoking ban is ...

good for Illinois. 33.5% bad for Illinois. 66.5%

Total votes: 248

[SheLion]

Happy New Year and God bless!

Happy New Year and God bless!

[SheLion]

Good Lord.

If this were true, there would be no one left.  LOL

[GOP_Lady]

Thanks for my favorite — ASTI (with a strawberry, of course)! :-)

[fanfan]

LOL.

Happy New Year, She Lion.

[gridlock]

It is ironic that people who support an industry that only exists because of government subsidy and protection spend so much time portraying themselves as being opposed to the interference of government.

Tobacco has been in bed with government for the past 40 years. It’s a little late to speak up now and say you don’t care for the company.

[gridlock]

And you may be right about smoking ‘killing’ people. But it’s the SMOKERS that are dying, NOT people breathing second hand smoke. You couldn’t get enough tar in your lungs from someone else’s cigarette smoke unless you were in a room with no windows and doors 24 hours a day.

You are right on that point. The "science" behind declaring second hand smoke a Class A Carcinogen is even more specious that the "science" behind Global Warming.

[Raycpa]

Bans on public smoking was one of the many things our founding fathers got right.

[TheEaglehasLanded]

69% are supportive of property rights and treating adults like adults.

[dynachrome]

If you don't have the freedom to make bad choices, you don't really have freedom. "68% bad for Illinois"

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[GOP_Lady]

NANNY STATE & FREEDOM PING, PLEASE! :-)

[dynachrome]

And wait until they try to ban the muzzies hookah cafes!
I’ll bet some extra special rights are found....

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[Eric Blair 2084]

I do not like these smoking bans.
I do not like them Sam I am.
I do not like them in a bar,
I do not like them in a car,
I do not like them on a plane,
I do not like them an a train,
I do not like them here or there,
I do not like them anywhere.
I do not like these smoking bans.
I do not like them Sam I am.

[Eric Blair 2084]

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[JamesP81]

Illinois pretty much gets the kind of government they deserve.

Chicago gets the kind of government it deserves, and then inflicts it upon the rest of the state. Compared to the rest of the state, Chicago might as well be a foreign country.

[JamesP81]

The lawyers would have the carcass picked clean within a year.

Actually, in a world with real justice this probably wouldn't happen. If you buy and use a product with the understanding that there is some danger associated with it, you assume liability for that risk. Not the guy selling the product. By your logic, we might as well sue every car and firearms manufacturer into the ground.

[JamesP81]

Leaving aside the rights argument for a moment, surely you can acknowledge that the predicted downturn in business for restaurants and bars has failed to materialize in states that have enacted similar bans in the past.

In my case, I can't. I live a few minutes from a town that got increasingly nanny in it's legislation. In the past ten years, the population has dropped by a third, mostly because any kind of place to work has relocated outside the city.

[boop]

"I work in a place that has a no tobacco policy and people still lite up."

What on earth type of business do you work at?

[Steamburg]

Good or bad depends entirely on how much you are making off the bootleg sales. Just ask the Gov...

[boop]

"surely you can acknowledge that the predicted downturn in business for restaurants and bars has failed to materialize in states that have enacted similar bans in the past."

Actually in just about every mom and pop operation it HAS hurt the bottom line. Just because a new, shiny bar opens up across the street and has customers it doesn't help the businesses that were hurt. How does a cigar bar stay in business if they are suddenly declared illegal, like in the state of WA? I'd say that revenues of zero dollars would represent a "downturn".