Posted on 12/30/2007 2:57:57 PM PST by jdm
Pretty damned obvious she was shot, the gubmet is lying about it.
SHe was corrupt, her dad was corrupt, Musharaff is corrupt.. there is nothing but corrupt options when you are dealing with Muslims, its only a matter of degree.
Agreed. That's why I find all this so puzzling. Why should he try to impose some kind of cock and bull story if she was shot and everyone saw her being shot? It only stirs the pot and increases anger and suspicion with the government. And for what?
Musharref would lie in a minute if there was a good reason to. But I don't think he's stupid enough to lie on a misguided impulse.
What?! Nukes?! They have nukes? /cia
Re: post 20. That’s what I was thinking.
I don’t think it was AQ....just a hunch....she has SOOO many foes there
The way her body dropped straight down is what stuck in my mind. That is not how someone ducks. It was more like the central nervous system was disrupted.
Please read my post #47 and view the tape linked at the top. I suspect shot #1 missed, #2 hit the left posterior neck missing the spine, and #3 hit left head behind temple. The head shot took out the CNS causing the body to drop like a sack of potatoes. This all happens about 1 second before the blast. She was clearly inside the protected car by the time the bomb went off.
She fell into the car before the explosion, so it’s safe to say she died from a gunshot.
It’s looking very bad for the Pakistani government.
Looks to me like she takes a head shot and falls straight down like a sack of potatos. Certainly doesn’t go down with enough force to kill herself by stiking her head on the sun roof (which she doesn’t appear to do)
Yes, she does clearly fall before the bomb blast. The shooter was slightly behind her so the blood spray would have been off to the side or to the front. In this film it would have been hard to see at any rate. And regarding same, I have to wonder about the forensic tests on the vehicle. In other films I’ve seen there are definitely sounds of gunfire, no mistake. I did like what her son said: “Democracy is the best revenge.”
The “ magic sunroof”
“Looks to me like she takes a head shot and falls straight down like a sack of potatos.”
Yes, and when someone publicly lies about a murder it is normal to consider them a suspect. Perhaps elements of the Pakistani government were involved in Bhutto’s murder, and now the government is trying to cover it up. Have the identities of the shooter and bomber been established yet?
You said — “The car is bullet proof and bomb proof. She dropped inside the car before the bomb went off. There’s a pool of residual blood on the seat where she was located. Once again, the car is bullet proof and bomb proof.”
You know..., a lot of this could be solved by a good autopsy. That’s what should be done — but — it seems that a lot of people (over there) would rather have it very vague, so they can use it to their own political advantage. I don’t think too many people really want to know the exact details, because it might interfere with their political goals...
Regards,
Star Traveler
You said — “It’s looking very bad for the Pakistani government.”
Why would it look any worse being shot than being killed by the blast? I guess I don’t get why one method of dying is worse than another method of dying, especially when al Qaida had two guys out there to do the killing (from what we can see). They may have had many more than that.
And you know that al Qaida had promised to go after her and had tried a few months ago with a baby wrapped in a bomb. Bhutto just missed getting killed in that attempt. They got her in this attempt.
Whether it’s by bomb or by bullet — she’s just as dead either way. I don’t know why the government is going to look any better or any worse for either way — especially when al Qaida is probably the one also behind the assassination attempts on Musharaff...
Regards,
Star Traveler
“Why would it look any worse being shot than being killed by the blast? I guess I don’t get why one method of dying is worse than another method of dying, especially when al Qaida had two guys out there to do the killing (from what we can see).”
Why lie about a murder unless you’re involved? Consciousness of guilt is reliable legal evidence.
You said — “Yes, and when someone publicly lies about a murder it is normal to consider them a suspect. Perhaps elements of the Pakistani government were involved in Bhutto’s murder, and now the government is trying to cover it up. Have the identities of the shooter and bomber been established yet?”
Well, the government is probably having just as difficult a time in sorting out the facts from fiction — as to what happened — just like the rest of us. Just as we’ve heard conflicting testimony from various different people, I’m sure the government has heard differing accounts, too. It’s not like they are able to ascertain what happened any better than we could, if we went in there and asked several different witnesses what happened. One would say that it was the bomb blast that killed her, another would say it was a bullet, another might say something different. I’m sure it’s all a big mess in sorting it out.
As far as the identity of the murderer, I would say that since al Qaida had announced that they were going to kill her and since they had clearly attempted it a few months ago and since they announced that they (al Qaida) took responsibility for the assassination — the murderer was part of an al Qaida operation.
And since al Qaida is all through that society, it’s not unexpected that al Qaida would have also infiltrated many parts of the government, in different areas, in order to gain an advantage in doing their attacks and bombings and murders.
Regards,
Star Traveler
Yes, not arguing with what seems to be a growing consensus. Just that it’s a very small picture on my computer screen and I can’t see all those details.
You asked — “Why lie about a murder unless you’re involved? Consciousness of guilt is reliable legal evidence.”
Well, that’s assuming that “they” (i.e., the “government”) knows exactly what happened. I kind of doubt that they do know exactly what happened, because there are so many conflicting accounts. The government is not some “magic entity” who can sort out the false accounts of what happened from the truth. They have to slog through all the garbage to come to some conclusion, in spite of accounts which will disagree with their conclusions. And they’re only as good as the one person (or several people) who are able to go out and get the right answers. If you don’t have good cooperation and you’re going into a confusing environment — and also given that people are buried so fast and I don’t see where a good autopsy was done — what do you expect from all that confusion and mayhem? I don’t expect good results and “knowing” exactly what happened. I don’t know how they could produce good answers under these circumstances...
Regards,
Star Traveler
Nobody has mentioned that immediately after the shooter shoots, he is ushered (not tackled, yanked, collared)immediately away from the vehicle AND THE BOMB BLAST just before it goes off. Hmmmmm......
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