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Pro-lifer Confronts Giuliani During Speech -- 'You are a baby killer'
Christian Newswire ^ | 1/5/08 | Christian Newswire

Posted on 01/05/2008 4:54:08 PM PST by wagglebee

Contact: Joseph Landry, 406-860-9738; Randall Terry, 904-461-0834

MEDIA ADVISORY, Jan. 5 /Christian Newswire/ -- Pro-life activist Joseph Landry confronted Presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani for Giuliani's support of child-killing by abortion in New Hampshire:

The New York Times political blog reports: "Mr. Giuliani retained his composure when a member of the audience interrupted him and called him a "baby killer,'' for his support of abortion rights."

Associated Press reports: The Nashua town hall was interrupted by an anti-abortion protester who shouted that "a vote for Rudy is a vote for a child killer." "The blood is on your hands," shouted the man, who identified himself as Joseph Landry, 26, from Florida.

Many other media outlets carried the exchange between Mr. Landry and Mr. Giuliani.

"Joseph Landry's actions are part of an ongoing effort to expose Rudy for who he is -- a supporter of child-killing -- a Democrat in GOP clothing. When the base of the GOP learns who Giuliani is, they will reject him. Our goal is to make sure that happens.

"We will dog Rudy throughout the remaining days in New Hampshire, then begin dogging him in Florida, working to expose his campaign in the Sunshine State, and burying it for good on Super Tuesday." -- Randall Terry, Founder, Operation Rescue.

To interview Joseph Landry in New Hampshire, call 406-860-9738.

To discuss the plans of the next three weeks with Randall Terry, call 904-461-0834.


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"Mr. Giuliani retained his composure when a member of the audience interrupted him and called him a "baby killer,'' for his support of abortion rights."

I'm sure he wanted to say, "don't you damn conservatives realize that I was mayor on NYC and that should override everything else?"

1 posted on 01/05/2008 4:54:10 PM PST by wagglebee
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2 posted on 01/05/2008 4:54:40 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 01/05/2008 4:55:06 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

But, I ran the bums out of central park! (They were bothering my “ladies”.)


4 posted on 01/05/2008 4:55:59 PM PST by NavVet (If you don't defend conservatism in the Primary, you won't have it to defend in the Election)
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To: wagglebee

Now how does this help the pro-life cause?


5 posted on 01/05/2008 4:56:17 PM PST by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: svcw

How does it hurt the pro-life cause?


6 posted on 01/05/2008 4:58:47 PM PST by donna (If America is not a Christian nation, it will be part of the Islamic nation. Take you pick.)
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To: wagglebee

Why doesn’t this activist shout at Hillary’s rally instead of Rudy’s? Or perhaps at Obama or Edwards rallies? They’re more pro-abort than Rudy, who will at least hold no litmus test on Federal judges.


7 posted on 01/05/2008 4:59:07 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (You can't be serious about national security unless you're serious about border security)
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To: donna

The other question is more pointed.


8 posted on 01/05/2008 5:01:42 PM PST by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Yup - put your efforts where they’re most likely to have a positive effect.


9 posted on 01/05/2008 5:02:42 PM PST by GOPPachyderm
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To: wagglebee
"Mr. Giuliani retained his composure when a member of the audience interrupted him and called him a "baby killer,'' for his support of abortion rights."

Yes, and maybe Hitler maintained his composure as the Gestapo clubbed and dragged away someone who called him a "Jew Killer."

10 posted on 01/05/2008 5:03:59 PM PST by hellbender
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To: Clintonfatigued; wagglebee
Why doesn’t this activist shout at Hillary’s rally instead of Rudy’s? Or perhaps at Obama or Edwards rallies? They’re more pro-abort than Rudy, who will at least hold no litmus test on Federal judges.

Because the Democrat platform has a plank promoting the murder of babies.

There is none in the Republican platform


11 posted on 01/05/2008 5:05:44 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: svcw
Now how does this help the pro-life cause?

Because having a pro-abortion candidate running against a pro-abortion candidate would be a disaster.

12 posted on 01/05/2008 5:09:51 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
After explaining that he personally opposes abortion, but believes the decision should be left to women, Mr. Giuliani...

Well, I "personally oppose" murder, but somehow I don't think the decision should be left to murderers.

13 posted on 01/05/2008 5:10:42 PM PST by hellbender
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To: donna; svcw
How does it hurt the pro-life cause?

It makes them look like nasty, hectoring, heckling buffoons.

14 posted on 01/05/2008 5:11:24 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: Clintonfatigued
Why doesn’t this activist shout at Hillary’s rally instead of Rudy’s? Or perhaps at Obama or Edwards rallies? They’re more pro-abort than Rudy, who will at least hold no litmus test on Federal judges.

You are aware that by his own words, Rudy is a whole-hearted supporter of Partial-Birth Abortion, right?

Given that, I do not know how you can make this statement.

I know he has moderated his position on abortion somewhat since he declared as a candidate for the Presidency, however, I judge a man by his past actions more than by his campaign rhetoric when he is saying what he thinks he needs to say to gain votes.
15 posted on 01/05/2008 5:14:46 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: svcw
Now how does this help the pro-life cause?

It helps a lot. Most people don't know that Rudy is pro-abortion, they just know him from 9/11.

16 posted on 01/05/2008 5:15:00 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (13-3 Green Bay Packers - The road to the Super Bowl begins NOW)
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To: EveningStar
It makes them look like nasty, hectoring, heckling buffoons.

Only to people who are not important to the Republican Primary process.

BTW, if this is what it takes to OUT the pro-abort Rudy to the rest of the unknowing and ignorant Republican Primary electorate, so be it!
17 posted on 01/05/2008 5:16:12 PM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: Clintonfatigued
They’re more pro-abort than Rudy, who will at least hold no litmus test on Federal judges.

I wouldn't be so sure about that.

From Rudy Giuliani Interview on Hannity and Colmes, July 21, 2005:

COLMES: Now, on abortion — now, you are pro-choice, right?

GIULIANI: Yes.

COLMES: You're a pro-choice Republican.

GIULIANI: I am.

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COLMES: Now, Roe vs. Wade -- You are pro-choice. How important is it to you as a pro-choice Republican to have a pro-choice on the court as someone...

GIULIANI: That is not the critical factor. And what's important to me is to have a very intelligent, very honest, very good lawyer on the court. And he fits that category, in the same way Justice Ginsburg fit that category.

I mean, she was — she maybe came at it from a very different political background, very qualified lawyer, very smart person. Lots of Republicans supported her. I expect, and listening to Senator Nelson, I expect that John Roberts will get support from a lot of Democrats.

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GIULIANI: Presidents, going back to the beginning of the republic, generally appoint people on the Supreme Court that they believe agree with them.

18 posted on 01/05/2008 5:17:02 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Cheering JL on from the mid-west!


19 posted on 01/05/2008 5:20:07 PM PST by MountainFlower (There but by the grace of God go I.)
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To: SoConPubbie

I’m anti-abortion but I don’t like this “approach”.


20 posted on 01/05/2008 5:20:59 PM PST by EveningStar
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
I recall Bush saying that he had no intention of trying to overturn Roe vs Wade, even though he was personally against abortion.

Guess Bush is a baby killer too?

It's one thing to have moral convictions about abortion. It's another to be an obnoxious zealot.

This heckler makes Rudy look better and pro-lifers look bad.

21 posted on 01/05/2008 5:21:04 PM PST by Jorge
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To: wagglebee

Those ex wives can be awfully nasty.


22 posted on 01/05/2008 5:24:32 PM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! Duncan Hunter is a Cosponsor.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist; svcw
Most people don't know that Rudy is pro-abortion, they just know him from 9/11.

And when they really start looking at the events surrounding 9/11, they realize that Rooty DID NOTHING to protect a known terrorist target in seven and a half years as mayor leading up to 9/11 and his only actions during and after 9/11 was cheering for the rescue workers.

There is a reason that Admiral Husband E. Kimmel never ran for public office, just like the 'Rats aren't suggesting that Ray Nagin seek higher office. Rooty's failure to protect a known terrorist target would have earned him a trip before a firing squad if he was the mayor of a major city in a country like China.

23 posted on 01/05/2008 5:24:48 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Jorge; Extremely Extreme Extremist
I recall Bush saying that he had no intention of trying to overturn Roe vs Wade, even though he was personally against abortion.

Can you provide a source for that?

24 posted on 01/05/2008 5:26:08 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: EveningStar

As opposed to facilitating the tearing off of the body parts of living babies?


25 posted on 01/05/2008 5:28:15 PM PST by donna (We live in this fog of political correctness, where everything is perpetual deception.-John Hagee)
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To: Clintonfatigued; svcw; EveningStar
Oh, I'm sure most people know that the Dems are pro-aborts: it's been a plank in their bloody party platform for almost 40 years.

That's why Giuliani is more dangerous: as a CINO and a RINO, he embodies the message that one can be a Catholic and a Republican AND pro-abortion: that a man can betray the faith and morals of his religion, and the principled platform of his party, and still be considered a fit candidate for the highest office in the land.

Only Rudy can destroy the Republican party as a principled institution; if he wre nominated, the Republican party would self-destruct. I guaran-damn-tee it.

26 posted on 01/05/2008 5:30:09 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (What's Rudy but Ah-nold in a dress?)
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To: SoConPubbie
"I judge a man by his past actions more than by his campaign rhetoric when he is saying what he thinks he needs to say to gain votes."

Good to see you haven't been "Hannitized" into believing the lie that Rudy will appoint strict constructionist judges who will rule against everything their appointer has stood for all of his public life. I wish all FReepers would recognize Rudy for the crooked mobbed-up fraud that he is.

27 posted on 01/05/2008 5:31:32 PM PST by blaquebyrd
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To: hellbender
Well, I "personally oppose" murder, but somehow I don't think the decision should be left to murderers.

Yeah, the "I'm personally opposed, but I wouldn't want to express my views to anyone else" line looks very foolish once it is demonstrated how it sounds when some other crime is substituted for abortion.

28 posted on 01/05/2008 5:31:48 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: blaquebyrd; SoConPubbie
Good to see you haven't been "Hannitized" into believing the lie that Rudy will appoint strict constructionist judges who will rule against everything their appointer has stood for all of his public life.

Read what I posted in #18, Rooty made it very clear that he would appoint justices who he believed agreed with HIM and that means pro-abortion.

29 posted on 01/05/2008 5:33:40 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

I don’t support Giuliani, but we’re never going to get anywhere with these antics.


30 posted on 01/05/2008 5:36:51 PM PST by bahblahbah (conservative confessional reformed evangelical yadda yadda yadda christian against huckamania)
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To: wagglebee

Maybe I missed this sordid detail about the man’s past, but did he actually kill any babies himself? Otherwise, he’s not a “baby killer.” Blurring the definition of guilt is more of a left-wing hobby. Not that I think he’s WITHOUT guilt for being pro-abortion, however.


31 posted on 01/05/2008 5:41:13 PM PST by macamadamia
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To: macamadamia
Maybe I missed this sordid detail about the man’s past, but did he actually kill any babies himself? Otherwise, he’s not a “baby killer.” Blurring the definition of guilt is more of a left-wing hobby.

To the best of my knowledge, Hitler, Stalin and Mao never personally killed anyone either.

32 posted on 01/05/2008 5:44:01 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

This kind of heckling invariably turns off the majority of people and generates sympathy for the person attacked. People know Rudy’s position. Most people don’t like abortion, but they don’t consider everyone who is pro-choice a “baby killer”.


33 posted on 01/05/2008 5:44:59 PM PST by Hugin (Mecca delenda est!)
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To: wagglebee
"Read what I posted in #18, Rooty made it very clear that he would appoint justices who he believed agreed with HIM and that means pro-abortion."

Any president would. Only fools who want any guy with an (R) behind his name in the white house, "Hannity" would believe otherwise. Remember this is the same guy who recommended Kerik to head Homeland Security knowing he had mob ties, mistresses and used 911 rescue worker hotel rooms as his personal love shack. They don't come any sleazier than Rudy. The guy even put his mistress, (potential First Lady) under police protection courtesy of NY tax payers. It repulses me to think he is thought of as a viable candidate in the GOP.

34 posted on 01/05/2008 5:48:41 PM PST by blaquebyrd
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To: wagglebee
There is nothing more irritating than hearing about these holier than thou self righteous far right conservatives who take it upon themselves to be the Saviour of the souls of men & women. All of them should watch over their own glass houses and zip it! Get real, get a life and stop trying to control other human beings, it is folly to even try. I don’t care who votes for whom, I will vote for the best leader who will protect America and her interests. Nuff said. (To all the wackos that would love to engage, please refrain, I have not the time)
35 posted on 01/05/2008 5:50:20 PM PST by 7thOF7th (Righteousness is our cause and justice will prevail!)
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To: wagglebee
There is nothing more irritating than hearing about these holier than thou self righteous far right conservatives who take it upon themselves to be the Saviour of the souls of men & women. All of them should watch over their own glass houses and zip it! Get real, get a life and stop trying to control other human beings, it is folly to even try. I don’t care who votes for whom, I will vote for the best leader who will protect America and her interests. Nuff said. (To all the wackos that would love to engage, please refrain, I have not the time)
36 posted on 01/05/2008 5:51:00 PM PST by 7thOF7th (Righteousness is our cause and justice will prevail!)
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To: Hugin
People know Rudy’s position.

ONLY because pro-life groups have spent the past year making sure that people realize how pro-abortion he is. A year ago, all the average voter knew about Rooty Toot is 9/11.

Most people don’t like abortion, but they don’t consider everyone who is pro-choice a “baby killer”.

There is a major difference between a pro-abortion private citizen and a powerful pro-abortion politician who works to expand abortion.

37 posted on 01/05/2008 5:51:24 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: blaquebyrd

Yep, Rooty Toot’s personal life and lack of ethics is really no different from the Clintons.


38 posted on 01/05/2008 5:53:31 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: 7thOF7th
There is nothing more irritating than hearing about these holier than thou self righteous far right conservatives who take it upon themselves to be the Saviour of the souls of men & women.

So, you're okay with the fact that over 3500 children are murdered in abortuaries every single day?

39 posted on 01/05/2008 5:55:08 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Jorge

I doubt that any candidate, pro-life or otherwise, is going to openly state an intent to overturn Roe v. Wade. Apart from pissing off the party moderates, nobody likes the prospect of millions of angry women in the streets and millions more dollars in Democrat coffers, IMO.


40 posted on 01/05/2008 5:55:09 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (I resolve to remember to write "08" on my checks.)
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To: wagglebee
There is a major difference between a pro-abortion private citizen and a powerful pro-abortion politician who works to expand abortion.

Maybe so, but most people don't consider them baby killers either. This is about as effective as lefties calling Bush a "war criminal". Even people who oppose the target are turned off by it.

41 posted on 01/05/2008 5:58:29 PM PST by Hugin (Mecca delenda est!)
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To: wagglebee
And this advanced the pro-life cause in what way?
42 posted on 01/05/2008 6:04:21 PM PST by dasein64
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To: Hugin

What were Hitler, Stalin and Mao? As far as I know, none of them ever personally killed anyone (except in combat) either.


43 posted on 01/05/2008 6:04:36 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: dasein64
And this advanced the pro-life cause in what way?

Having a pro-abortion Republican running against a pro-abortion Democrat for POTUS would be a disaster.

44 posted on 01/05/2008 6:06:07 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: 7thOF7th
"To all the wackos that would love to engage, please refrain...."

Ahhh, so anyone who disagrees with you is a wacko?
Nice - you belong over at DU.

45 posted on 01/05/2008 6:10:03 PM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: wagglebee
To the best of my knowledge, Hitler, Stalin and Mao never personally killed anyone either.


This is a muddled analogy. And you left out the part where I wrote that Rudy is not "WITHOUT guilt for being pro-abortion."
46 posted on 01/05/2008 6:13:42 PM PST by macamadamia
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To: wagglebee; Extremely Extreme Extremist
Can you provide a source for that?

Actually I researched the quote and found the strongest statement from Laura Bush, and a milder conditional statement from GWB.

"No, I don't think it should be overturned," Mrs. Bush told NBC's "Today Show" when asked about the high court's decision, Roe vs. Wade.

The Bush team refused to comment on the first lady-to-be's statements.
January 19, 2001 9:12 p.m. EST (0212 GMT) WASHINGTON (CNN)

However;

"Bush did not push for a constitutional amendment to ban abortion, even though he supports one except in cases of rape or incest, or to protect the life of the mother. Bush said he didn't believe there was enough public support for such a move."

Which supports my recollection that Bush said he would not try to overturn Roe Vs Wade because it was not the time to do it.

I also find the "except in cases of rape or incest" to be morally inconsistant. If abortion is murder then it is murder. It's not the baby's fault it was conceived through a rape or incest.

47 posted on 01/05/2008 6:23:35 PM PST by Jorge
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To: Hugin
This is about as effective as lefties calling Bush a "war criminal". Even people who oppose the target are turned off by it.

That's an excellent point.

I'm vehemently opposed to Rudy. But there are far more effective ways to fight him than behaving like a spoiled child who can't keep quiet when adults are talking.

48 posted on 01/05/2008 6:25:12 PM PST by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
I doubt that any candidate, pro-life or otherwise, is going to openly state an intent to overturn Roe v. Wade. Apart from pissing off the party moderates, nobody likes the prospect of millions of angry women in the streets and millions more dollars in Democrat coffers, IMO.

Exactly. And any serious candidate would distance himself from zealots expressing some of the more fanatical positions we see in this thread.

49 posted on 01/05/2008 6:27:14 PM PST by Jorge
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To: Jorge

the repubs have been in office most of the time since 1973 Roe vs wade......they have done nothing except appoint supreme court justices who are more or less constructionists and who do not favor abortion


50 posted on 01/05/2008 6:31:56 PM PST by terycarl (G)
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