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Lima on edge after police kill woman, wound 1-year-old child in drug raid
ToledoBlade.Com ^ | Jan 6,2008 | By IGNAZIO MESSINA and ERICA BLAKE

Posted on 01/06/2008 2:13:20 PM PST by microgood

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To: misterrob
Man, this story just says so much about urban life, no?

No. Rural areas have more then their fair share of dangerous low life too.

41 posted on 01/06/2008 2:53:03 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: Joe Boucher

“If this mother of several was aware of drugs in the home then she is to blame.”

If the authorities can’t keep drugs out of prisons. how is this woman going to keep them out of her house? Jerk*ff!


42 posted on 01/06/2008 2:54:16 PM PST by babygene (Never look into the laser with your last good eye...)
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To: Joe Boucher

“If this mother of several was aware of drugs in the home then she is to blame.”

If the authorities can’t keep drugs out of prisons. how is this woman going to keep them out of her house? Jerk*ff!


43 posted on 01/06/2008 2:54:20 PM PST by babygene (Never look into the laser with your last good eye...)
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To: Chuck54
Say what you wish but there is plenty of blame for all parties.

I hear what you are saying but this whole idea of distributed responsiblities has been pushed over the last half century, especially by lawyers. That is why in a crash, you can give Ford Motor Company 10% of the blame and have a great lawsuit.

My previous example of blaming a gun owner whose gun is stolen for the crimes of the thief is a good example.

Bottom line is that they knew there were children the house and stormed it anyway, killing a mother with a baby in her arms.

In 1980, there were 900 SWAT Teams in this country. Now there are over 90,000. Less then 5% of them are properly trained, and this is a perfect example of that.
44 posted on 01/06/2008 2:55:44 PM PST by microgood
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To: mountainbunny
Yep. That's the prevailing train of thought.

We've got more people in jail now than any communist country ever dreamed of. Most of them for "drugs".

I'm still trying to find where in the Constitution it gave the FedGov power to wage a "War on Drugs". It took an Amendment for them to wage a "War on Alcohol".

Aside from Tylenol, I'm not a drug user... but this crap has got to stop...

45 posted on 01/06/2008 2:56:54 PM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Joe Boucher
“Marijuana and crack cocaine were found in the house.” If this mother of several was aware of drugs in the home then she is to blame.

Yeah, that's the ticket, let's just have the police kill people who use illegal drugs.

46 posted on 01/06/2008 2:57:01 PM PST by 3niner (War is one game where the home team always loses.)
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To: microgood

Kinda makes you wonder when you are going to have “uninvited guests” doesn’t it? Either government agents, or copy cat home invaders shouting “police”...


47 posted on 01/06/2008 2:58:13 PM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Dead Corpse

That is not what I said but if you want to put words where I didn’t say them, fine.

This woman had how many kids?
All living within this home which illegal drugs were found.
Obviously she wasn’t doing her job as a mother which is to nurture and protect her children pal.
Had she been doing her job as a mother the drugs wouldn’t have been any where near the place.
Did she deserve to die?
I doubt it, I wasn’t there.


48 posted on 01/06/2008 2:58:18 PM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: bill1952
"It might not have been the best idea to storm the house when they knew infants were there?"

Funny. I was thinking that it might not have been the best idea for a mother of six infants to allow a felon convicted of drug trafficking and weapons charges to sell drugs from her house.

"Community leaders expressed outrage last night but urged calm to the crowd of about 300 people who marched with family members"

Too bad those "community leaders" and 300 people didn't stand outside her house months ago chanting, "No more drugs in our neighborhood!" and forced this scumbag out.

49 posted on 01/06/2008 2:58:51 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: microgood

Lima has a bad drug reputation, which it deserves. And, we need a SWAT team because of the gangs. This happened in a drug infested area. The cop who killed her is devastated, as is the town. There was a demonstration last night, and they are calling for Sharpton and/or Jackson, though it wasn’t a racially motivated raid. The crack house had been under investigation for some time. What happened is unfortunate, and after a couple thousand like raids, this is the first time something like this happened. We won’t know what really went on until after BCI conducts its investigation. I live here, and hate what is going on.


50 posted on 01/06/2008 2:58:52 PM PST by Jaidyn
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To: Joe Boucher; microgood

Check out post #43


51 posted on 01/06/2008 2:59:46 PM PST by babygene (Never look into the laser with your last good eye...)
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To: microgood
I read the long article...Not one thing mentioned in regards to if the dead female was armed or had a gun. Not one.

That is generally an indication that the one shot was not armed.

52 posted on 01/06/2008 2:59:52 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: mountainbunny

That is not at all what I said there bunny.
What I said was that this mom was not doing her job if she allowed drugs in her home and around all these kids.
But hey, read in to it what ever conclusion you care to jump to.


53 posted on 01/06/2008 3:00:07 PM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: microgood

Why He!! Let’s just declare Anarchy and disband all Police Departments...


54 posted on 01/06/2008 3:00:24 PM PST by tubebender (Lost another one to the Tag Line bandit...)
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To: microgood
"See how that works?"

Yeah, I know how that works. That's why I was calling you on it. To let you know I know.

55 posted on 01/06/2008 3:01:32 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
Unlikely for her to shoot the dogs.

That happens all too often ~ a cop shoots the dog (or stomps the cat) and next thing you know bullets are flying everywhere.

Next time the team leader should notify everybody that they're shooting the dogs so don't be surprised to hear gunfire.

Of course having two pit bulls inside a house with half a dozen kids probably isn't a wise idea in the first place.

56 posted on 01/06/2008 3:02:07 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: microgood
"Ms. Wilson, the mother of six children, ages 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 8, ...."

Was the term "Ms." used to avoid using the term Miss or unwed mother of 6?
Obviously, a productive member of society, except for a few missed opportunities to achieve a 100% broodmare rating.

" Two pit bulls that were inside the home also were shot by police, Chief Garlock said. One of the dogs died from its injuries."

In this neighborhood, in a house full of children - both an indicator and a bad idea.

"....Ms. Wilson was a stay-at-home mother who "took care of kids and went to bingo."

If Tanika Williams was a "stay at home mother" -- then her drug dealing boyfriend must be an Undocumented Pharmacist.
Since there is no mention that either Mother or "boyfriend" had a legitimate job - are we to assume the entire household was being enabled by the taxpayers?

"Junior Cook, Ms. Wilson's cousin and next-door neighbor, said police "broke down the door and started shooting." He denied police claims that Terry sold drugs from the house. "No one ever came and knocked on that door or bought drugs there," Mr. Cook said."

Obviously a trustworthy witness -- who offered no explanation of why drugs were found in the home...
Perhaps the drugs were sold ONLY on the street corner?

"Family members said Terry, who was convicted in 1994 on drug trafficking and weapons charges, had been dating Ms. Wilson for nearly two years.

Uh, when the "boyfriend" appears to be a live in -- do you still call it dating in that neighborhood?

57 posted on 01/06/2008 3:02:09 PM PST by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: microgood

Lay down with the dogs and you get fleas...


58 posted on 01/06/2008 3:03:04 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: Joe Boucher
If this mother of several was aware of drugs in the home then she is to blame.

To blame for what? For drugs being in the home?

Or are you suggesting if she was unarmed, she is also to blame for herself being shot to death?

59 posted on 01/06/2008 3:03:06 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: coloradan

No, you seem to jump to conclusions.
What I said is that the mother is to blame.
She should not have allowed drugs in to her home around the children.She did and thus didn’t do her job as a mother which is to provide for and protect her kids.
But hey pal, don’t get your panties in a wad thinking about that, just that this “mom” died without knowing any more about this other then drugs were found in the home by police officers. Those are the known facts. Pal.


60 posted on 01/06/2008 3:03:07 PM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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