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Lima on edge after police kill woman, wound 1-year-old child in drug raid
ToledoBlade.Com ^ | Jan 6,2008 | By IGNAZIO MESSINA and ERICA BLAKE

Posted on 01/06/2008 2:13:20 PM PST by microgood

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To: 7thOF7th
***If that is a threat, you might find yourself on the wrong side of my sights ***

He won't be the only one. 44 down, so many more to go....

421 posted on 01/08/2008 12:25:08 PM PST by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: archy
thanks archy, I'm just sickened that innocents are killed/maimed and all we get are hollow apologies [if even that] from those who are supposed to serve us...

much less the overt threats...

422 posted on 01/08/2008 12:36:38 PM PST by Gilbo_3 (A few Rams must look after the sheep 'til the Good Shepherd returns...)
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To: archy

You might want to consider that good cops are the ones who stopped this. The accused in this case will enjoy all of the rights accorded to them under the Constitution.

Stereotyping is a one dimensional perspective!


423 posted on 01/08/2008 1:26:54 PM PST by 7thOF7th (Righteousness is our cause and justice will prevail!)
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To: rellimpank

Turning the police into an internal paramilitary force is part of the 1960s UN plan to make sure the only ‘army’ that no one country can defeat is the UN’s world army. The existing country militaries become the UN army, and each country keeps its internal security forces to deal with internal problems.


424 posted on 01/08/2008 1:32:43 PM PST by Secret Agent Man
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To: microgood

If you click on your link, DUCK!


425 posted on 01/08/2008 5:38:25 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: archy
Good find.

-bump-

426 posted on 01/08/2008 6:31:59 PM PST by Ken H
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To: Dead Corpse
Doesn't "freedom" and "liberty" also include the Right to screw up your own life?

Really, just why is it that some people can't resist the urge to control other's lives? Up to a point, it's reasonable (see Ten Commandments) but beyond that, much of it is nannyism--- very characteristic of liberals, btw.

I bet that when Victoria Secret comes out with a burka, it'll blow some minds.

427 posted on 01/08/2008 8:30:15 PM PST by budwiesest (Screw with the plan-- feel the heel of the 'man'.)
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To: elkfersupper
If you click on your link, DUCK!

Went to theagitator.com today and Radley noticed they have taken their animated gif down. In addition, the FBI is now investigating the shooting.
428 posted on 01/11/2008 2:01:20 PM PST by microgood
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To: Riverman94610
I wouldn’t doubt that the way the liberals and socialists are undermining all types of traditional morality.

Yes. Whatever happened to the good old traditional morality of retards drinking massive quantities of alcohol and fighting in bars.

It's odd how people can be in favor of alcohol being legal and pot being illegal when if one looks at it with even the slightst bit of objectivity you can see that alcohol is by far the worse drug in terms of addictiveness and negative psychological effects. Yet alcohol use is celebrated in this country, while apparently pot use is seen as a slap in the face to "traditional morality."

429 posted on 01/15/2008 4:49:59 PM PST by Nate505
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To: CowboyConservative
My sympathy has to go to the officer who pulled the trigger

Yeah, the poor murderer. Sucks when you have to live with the consequences of your actions. Although us normal folk would also have to live with some prison time.

430 posted on 01/15/2008 4:51:27 PM PST by Nate505
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To: Nate505
Sir you are a little slow on the draw but let me explain my remarks so I hope you understand more of what I meant with that comment.

The police officer in question did not make the decision to use that kind of force, they were following orders no different than a person in the military. They probably have children who need their support just like many of us. We need to hold the people who make these decisions responsible then the poor individual who had to be there wouldn't’t be there in the first place! Everything about this is wrong and should never have happened.

Now my son is going on 27 years old have I told somebody no when they told me to do something I knew was wrong, HELL YES has it caused me problems yes it has but I could afford those problems. These people are conditioned as part of their training just like the military are, that mindset does not work in the civilian place!!

Lets put it this way. You as a police officer are under paid and most are even though you may be as honest as possible you are underpaid you have a chance for extra money on the swat team and in your heart believe you are doing the right thing because of the negative portrait of people on the liberal news media and you get a call and the whole way over somebody is pumping into your head dangerous drug bust with possible armed combatants inside, what would your mindset be? Would your adrenaline not be fairly pumped up? Would you be able to think rationally during the siege or reflect more humanly afterward when the situation calmed down? This is what that person has to live with, they followed orders and it took somebody’s life even though in regular duty that would not have happened.

That was my point, sorry I didn’t elaborate more in the first place.

431 posted on 01/15/2008 10:39:12 PM PST by CowboyConservative
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To: CowboyConservative

I see your point. I apologize for the previous glib remarks :)


432 posted on 01/16/2008 8:59:09 AM PST by Nate505
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To: Nate505

Alcohol AND drugs are both undermining our society.
Alcohol causes liver damage and does tend to make people violent.
Weed,however,makes people listless and apathetic,leading to societies as unproductive as Morocco and Jamaica.
I no longer drink OR use drugs.I have seen the damage inflicted many times over.


433 posted on 01/16/2008 9:09:41 AM PST by Riverman94610
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To: Nate505

No apology needed if anything like I said I should have been more clear on my point.

Thanks for the comeback


434 posted on 01/16/2008 8:27:56 PM PST by CowboyConservative
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To: Riverman94610

Yet one is not only legal to possess, but its use is at the worst winked at by society and at the best encouraged. A good example of that is the phrase “alchol and drugs.” Last time I looked, alcohol is a depressant, and most certainly a drug. But for whatever reason society won’t view it as one.

Why aren’t people out there championing the drug war out there demanding booze to be illegal? Hell, I’d rather deal with the listless and apathetic person than the violent one.


435 posted on 01/16/2008 9:45:46 PM PST by Nate505
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To: Nate505

Personally,I wouild like to see BOTH alcohol and drugs banned.
Yet we live in a society where way too many people are trying to escape themselves.They are deep frying in their own psychic pain and need a fix.Or at least think they do.
So we will always have these types of people.I just refuse to be one of them.


436 posted on 01/17/2008 9:07:04 AM PST by Riverman94610
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To: Riverman94610

While I don’t agree with that stand, I admire the consistancy. Most people don’t have it.

That being said, I’m not comfortable with the government telling me what I can and can’t do that doesn’t harm another directly.


437 posted on 01/17/2008 10:20:07 AM PST by Nate505
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To: Nate505

I,too,have a libertarian streak in me that resents big government doing what I should know better to do for myself.
Its that age old question-will people do whats in their best interest without a State enforcement wing?
Example,I would never rob or molest a child.It is against my personal moral and ethical code.I do not need a law telling me these acts are wrong.I CHOOSE to act in a moral manner.
Many other people out there do not share my ethics.Thus we have police and FBI,agents of government,to ensure these people who are amoral or immoral in their behavior,are checked.
I wish we did not need the State at all.My instincts tell me we do.


438 posted on 01/17/2008 11:39:22 AM PST by Riverman94610
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
Why does the town of Lima need a SWAT team? There are only 40,000 people in this town.

Very bad drug problems.

You don't go into parts of Lima when the sun goes down. The police don't go into parts of Lima alone at night.

The Allen County Sheriff's Department also has a SWAT team that also serves about 50 high risk warrants a year. Lima is in Allen County.

In this case, it looks like a few para-milataries busted in a house and shot dead a mother holding a babe in arms.

The guy they were after had been previously convicted on drug dealing and weapons charges.

They had two pit bulls in the house. The pit bulls attacked the officers when they entered. The officers shot the dogs in self defense. The mother and child were not targeted, they were hit by bullets shot at the dogs.

439 posted on 01/21/2008 11:45:53 AM PST by untrained skeptic
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