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Lima on edge after police kill woman, wound 1-year-old child in drug raid
ToledoBlade.Com ^ | Jan 6,2008 | By IGNAZIO MESSINA and ERICA BLAKE

Posted on 01/06/2008 2:13:20 PM PST by microgood

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To: Joe Boucher

Maybe freedom isn’t for everybody.

Lima used to be famous for making Shay Locomotive which were ingeniously geared steam engines for lumber and mining operations on sloppy rails and steep grades.


61 posted on 01/06/2008 3:03:23 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Dead Corpse
"We've got more people in jail now than any communist country ever dreamed of. Most of them for "drugs".

Most? Try 20%. And they're there for dealing and trafficking, not using.

62 posted on 01/06/2008 3:05:16 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Joe Boucher

Lots to think about in this case... and many sides to the story.

Drugs were found in the house -

Did the Police know that there was a small child present?

What were the exact circumstances behind the shooting? Was the mother pointing a gun at police while holding her child, or with her child very close?

We just don’t know enough. But I will venture to say that the young mother was not innocent - not that that in ANY way earns the penalty of a child getting shot. But if the police were acting according to the rules - and doing their best to control the situation - then screw the PC race-baiters and give the cops a break. But if they were acting carelessly - that is another story.

But I also have a question... Where were these neighbors screams for justice when drugs were being dealt from that house? OR were they the customers?


63 posted on 01/06/2008 3:05:25 PM PST by TheBattman (LORD God, please help us to elect a Godly and patriotic man for President in 08, Amen.)
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To: Joe Boucher
That is not what I said...

Yes it is. You implied this was a good shoot. Over vegetable matter.

If this mother of several was aware of drugs in the home then she is to blame...

Not spinning it or adding anything to it. If you feel that possession of drugs is grounds for a "no-trial" execution... don't run from it. You imply she got what you feel she deserved.

She wasn't mother of the year by any stretch. But they killed her on mere suspicion of ownership of a non-authorized plant. Do you think this is a valid government police power?

64 posted on 01/06/2008 3:05:52 PM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: tubebender
Why He!! Let’s just declare Anarchy and disband all Police Departments...

How about this quote from one of the last true conservatives:

"Marijuana never kicks down your door in the middle of the night. Marijuana never locks up sick and dying people, does not suppress medical research, does not peek in bedroom windows. Even if one takes every reefer madness allegation of the prohibitionists at face value, marijuana prohibition has done far more harm to far more people than marijuana ever could."

William F. Buckley, Jr.
65 posted on 01/06/2008 3:05:59 PM PST by microgood
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To: mountainbunny

None of us was there. What happened to cause the police to shoot?

The mother lived, with her children in a home that she knew contained drugs. Did this warant a death penalty? No. I would wager the police did not arrive with the intent to kill.

However, living in that environment carries consequences. Some violent. Lets say it wasnt police. It was a rival gang or some such. The consequences to your children would be just as real and deadly. The mother is to fault for having her children there. Period. Not for being shot, but for being somewhere they should not be.


66 posted on 01/06/2008 3:07:07 PM PST by RoadGumby (Ask me about Ducky)
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To: robertpaulsen

Link your stats. Otherwise, it’s just more Bobby BS...


67 posted on 01/06/2008 3:07:21 PM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Joe Boucher

SEE POST #43


68 posted on 01/06/2008 3:07:39 PM PST by babygene (Never look into the laser with your last good eye...)
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To: river rat
"are we to assume the entire household was being enabled by the taxpayers?"

Oh yes, could very well be our tax dollars at work. That is, except for side income derived by illicit means apparently.

(Just my opinion.)

69 posted on 01/06/2008 3:08:06 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: Dead Corpse
We do not have more folks in jail than any communist country ever thought of.

Your little friends at Wiki admit there were 5 to 7 million prisoners at any one time in the Soviet Gulag, and 10% of them died each year.

Our situation is not comparable.

Actually, there'd be many fewer prisoners in this country if plea bargaining was abolished. That way the criminals could face the REAL sentences for their crimes, rather than those winkydink sentences for pot possession.

That'd gobsmack 'em with real life soon enough that they'd not want to come back.

Oh, yeah, and END PAROLE.

70 posted on 01/06/2008 3:08:27 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: robertpaulsen

:Funny. I was thinking that it might not have been the best idea for a mother of six infants to allow a felon convicted of drug trafficking and weapons charges to sell drugs from her house.”

SEE #43


71 posted on 01/06/2008 3:09:09 PM PST by babygene (Never look into the laser with your last good eye...)
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To: microgood

What the police should do is just stay out of the hood. Let them kill themselves with their gang on gang murders, kill themselves with drugs. They don’t want the police there. Even when one black calls the police to come help them, others throw things at the police and tell them to “get out of the hood.” Fine. Stay out. Let them kill themselves. Let them burn it to the ground. Let them all die of drugs. Let them have what they want.


72 posted on 01/06/2008 3:09:59 PM PST by RetiredArmy (Better prepare, come Nov 08, we have a Marxist Commissar President and Marxist Congress.)
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To: robertpaulsen
>Funny. I was thinking that it might not have been the best idea for a mother of six infants to allow a felon convicted of drug trafficking and weapons charges to sell drugs from her house.

Not relevant. The scumbag is not their teacher.

Dead kids can be avoided, just like Ruby Ridge or Waco could have been avoided.

73 posted on 01/06/2008 3:12:19 PM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: muawiyah
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/30/AR2006113000912.html http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/prisons.htm Make enough things a crime and soon enough, everyone is a criminal.

Your stance is not surprising from what I've seen of your posting history. Anything else you'd like to make illegal carrying an "instant" death sentence without trial?

74 posted on 01/06/2008 3:12:29 PM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Dead Corpse

Well, there is that little “due process of law” thingy.
Details, details.

Hell, the cops saved the county the cost of a trial and incarcerations so that’s a good deal, right?


75 posted on 01/06/2008 3:13:05 PM PST by djf (...and dying in your bed, many years from now, did you donate to FR?)
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To: Onelifetogive

Doesn’t have to be a rule.
What you say is already happenning.

They need to be smarter than this.


76 posted on 01/06/2008 3:13:42 PM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: Dead Corpse

Your post was a lie.


77 posted on 01/06/2008 3:13:43 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: RetiredArmy
Let them burn it to the ground. Let them all die of drugs. Let them have what they want.

It's called freedom. Liberty. The freedom to screw yourself up. The liberty to prove Darwin right.

The sooner we get back to this standard, the faster society will right itself.

78 posted on 01/06/2008 3:14:11 PM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: 3niner

That is not what i said there pal.

A mothers job is to provide for and protect her kids.
If crack is in your home you obviously aren’t doing too good a job.


79 posted on 01/06/2008 3:14:18 PM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: microgood
Stay out and the cops are "ignoring them". Go in and the cops are "terrorizing them".

Schizophrenic and totally unwinnable. Man, am I glad I'm not a cop...!

80 posted on 01/06/2008 3:14:36 PM PST by gaijin
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