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Real ID ready for prime time (National ID Cards Mandated in the US)
Washington Technology ^ | 01/11/08 -- 09:15 PM | Alice Lipowicz

Posted on 01/11/2008 1:32:19 PM PST by Calpernia

The Homeland Security Department today released the 284-page final rule for implementing the Real ID Act that would standardize the handling of personal information for driver’s licenses.

The release of the long-awaited final implementation regulations — the law was passed in 2005 — is expected to spur contracting activity on the program after months of uncertainty as federal officials were crafting the rule.

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The final rule also requires a 2-Dimensional Bar Code Machine Readable Zone, which DHS said is already used by 46 jurisdictions.

Under the Real ID Act of 2005, states must meet new rules for collecting, verifying, storing and publishing personal information related to driver’s licenses, and they must share the personal information of license holders with other states. The law generated substantial controversy due to its high cost and possible risk of identity theft and privacy loss.

Many systems integrators and IT contractors are preparing to assist state motor vehicle departments in upgrading their infrastructures to incorporate Real ID requirements. Many state administrators have been postponing those improvements until the Real ID rule was released, Grant said.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontechnology.com ...


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KEYWORDS: 110th; chertoff; dhs; realid; realidact
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Associated Press Excerpt:

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said Friday that if states want their licenses to remain valid for air travel after May 2008, those states must seek a waiver indicating they want more time to comply with the REAL ID Act's new rules.

So far, 17 states have passed legislation or resolutions objecting to the REAL ID provisions, many due to concerns it will cost them too much to comply. The 17, according to the ACLU, are: Arizona , Colorado , Georgia , Hawaii , Idaho , Illinois , Maine , Missouri , Montana , Nebraska , Nevada , New Hampshire , North Dakota , Oklahoma , South Carolina , Tennessee and Washington state.

But Chertoff, as he unveiled final details of the REAL ID rules, said that where a particular state doesn't seek a waiver, its residents will have to use a passport or a newly created federal passport card if they want to avoid a vigorous secondary screening at airport security.

"The last thing I want to do is punish citizens of a state who would love to have a REAL ID license but can't get one," Chertoff said. "But in the end, the rule is the rule as passed by Congress."

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CNN Excerpt:

"CNN is reporting that the US Homeland Security Department has mandated Real ID for drivers licenses. According to the article, this will not include a 'chip', but a list of options by state. Despite legislation passed in various states and objections by groups such as ACLU, this appears to be a done deal. Without one of the new IDs you will be unable to board a plane after 2014 if you are under 50."

1 posted on 01/11/2008 1:32:21 PM PST by Calpernia
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To: Calpernia

The list of States is somewhat amazing.


2 posted on 01/11/2008 1:34:39 PM PST by rocksblues (Just enforce the law!)
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To: rocksblues

One of the reasons why I’m not sure how I feel about Real ID.


3 posted on 01/11/2008 1:38:20 PM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Calpernia
An MSNBC report said the final rules were estimated to have cut costs by 75%, nullifying the objections made by many states. If your state still doesn’t agree to the new ID cards, you’ll have to show a passport or some other form of federally recognized ID to board a plane.
4 posted on 01/11/2008 1:38:48 PM PST by Aristotelian (Freedom is "the absence of coercion." F.A. Hayek, The Constitution of Liberty, 1960.)
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To: Calpernia

Just barcode my forehead and get it over with.


5 posted on 01/11/2008 1:38:49 PM PST by Leisler
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To: Calpernia

To make things simpler, the ID should be implanted into the right hand.


6 posted on 01/11/2008 1:39:52 PM PST by bshomoic
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To: Calpernia

Many of us knew this was coming down the pike. Of course we were called tin-foilers for saying it.


7 posted on 01/11/2008 1:39:59 PM PST by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Calpernia
Many systems integrators and IT contractors are preparing to assist state motor vehicle departments in upgrading their infrastructures to incorporate Real ID requirements.

The Indian and Chinese H-1Bs are going to make a fortune.

8 posted on 01/11/2008 1:40:43 PM PST by Azzurri
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To: Calpernia

Many Americans object to the government forcing them to carry a national identification card, like many other countries do.

My idea is to require everyone to carry a passport at all times. If you are an American citizen, you will carry a US passport which can be used for all identification purposes. If you are a foreigner, you will carry your nation’s passport with the US visa noted in that passport.

If you are a legal immigrant and have permission to work in the US, your passport can be used for that purpose. Of course, illegal immigrants won’t have passports or visas giving them permission to work.


9 posted on 01/11/2008 1:41:58 PM PST by FFranco
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To: Calpernia

Under fifty? Child bearing years.


10 posted on 01/11/2008 1:42:36 PM PST by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Aristotelian

I’ve heard that about Federal Building access too.


11 posted on 01/11/2008 1:43:59 PM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Leisler

Why not barcode the area you sit on?


12 posted on 01/11/2008 1:47:25 PM PST by 353FMG (Vote for the Person who will do the least damage to our country.)
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To: Aristotelian
An MSNBC report said the final rules were estimated to have cut costs by 75%, nullifying the objections made by many states. If your state still doesn’t agree to the new ID cards, you’ll have to show a passport or some other form of federally recognized ID to board a plane.

Could one conclude then, that the Federal government is completely aware that there are many phony state drivers liscenses in circulation?

How about the states that demand driver ID's for VOTING. The Feds gonna clean that up too, since they are intimately linked?

13 posted on 01/11/2008 1:48:46 PM PST by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Calpernia
Without one of the new IDs you will be unable to board a plane after 2014 if you are under 50.

OK, it looks like I get grandfathered out. Yippee, I think.
14 posted on 01/11/2008 1:48:49 PM PST by carumba (The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. Groucho)
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To: Calpernia

“Two more people have been arrested, and 19 others are still wanted, for allegedly getting Rhode Island driver’s licenses that were falsified by two clerks at the state Division of Motor Vehicles.

The clerks had sent the licenses to dozens of illegal immigrants and suspected drug dealers who’d paid middlemen between $2,500 to $3,000 apiece to conceal their identity with a valid license, according to the state police. Some of the “customers” have since been rearrested on drug charges in various states — where their true identity was revealed by fingerprints — but others are on the run.”

The clerks immigration status was also “ in question”

So why do we even bother?


15 posted on 01/11/2008 1:49:32 PM PST by heylady
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To: Leisler

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16 posted on 01/11/2008 1:51:23 PM PST by DvdMom ( Drew Peterson Belongs In Jail Along With Nifong)
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To: processing please hold

I remember that. But, it was this Real ID that trumped Spitzer and the illegal alien IDs though. Which is why I’m not sure how I feel about this anymore.

http://blog.newyorkcitycommunity.us/2007/10/28/the-steamroller-and-the-chertoff-license.aspx
The Steamroller and the Chertoff License


17 posted on 01/11/2008 1:52:21 PM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Aristotelian

An MSNBC report said the final rules were estimated to have cut costs by 75%,


I’m not sure where the major cost to be incurred are within the program. One I’m sure is personnel required to process all applicants for the first time. I guess a second major cost maybe programming, data storage, and providing access by various agencies...

As far as the applicant goes I’m not sure what additional additional info above what they currently provide for a drivers license will be required of them. A birth certificate or passport I’d guess and that maybe basically it...


18 posted on 01/11/2008 1:52:54 PM PST by deport (28 days Super Tuesday -- [ Meanwhile:-- Cue Spooky Music--])
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To: bshomoic

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19 posted on 01/11/2008 1:53:43 PM PST by DvdMom ( Drew Peterson Belongs In Jail Along With Nifong)
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To: Leisler
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"Just barcode my forehead and get it over with."

20 posted on 01/11/2008 1:55:30 PM PST by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: Leisler

We’ve already got fingerprints. I don’t see why we need an ID.

Scan the fingerprint, and check the face against the database record that pops up onscreen. They can do that as easily and more securely than checking the data on a card against the face.


21 posted on 01/11/2008 1:56:32 PM PST by Kellis91789 (Liberals aren't atheists. They worship government -- including human sacrifices.)
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To: Leisler
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22 posted on 01/11/2008 1:57:54 PM PST by DvdMom ( Drew Peterson Belongs In Jail Along With Nifong)
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To: 353FMG
Why not barcode the area you sit on?

That could present a problem for some of us FReepers.

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23 posted on 01/11/2008 1:58:28 PM PST by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: FFranco

“If you are an American citizen, you will carry a US passport..”

The size of a US passport makes it cumbersome to carry around. Besides, carrying a passport at all times poses a greater risk for loss and/or theft. I hope you’ll never experience the problems when losing your passport while overseas on a business trip.


24 posted on 01/11/2008 1:58:51 PM PST by 353FMG (Vote for the Person who will do the least damage to our country.)
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To: Calpernia
Without one of the new IDs you will be unable to board a plane after 2014 if you are under 50.

But then you'll have to prove you're under 50. Whuich means you'll also have to carry your Birth Certificate.

25 posted on 01/11/2008 2:00:06 PM PST by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: FFranco
In this day and age, why does a passport have to be in booklet form? Can’t all the info (and more) be encoded on a card?
26 posted on 01/11/2008 2:03:12 PM PST by Aristotelian (Freedom is "the absence of coercion." F.A. Hayek, The Constitution of Liberty, 1960.)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
The head of Homeland Security said at a press conference today that there are only three sets of people who should be upset by the new Real IDs: terrorists, illegal aliens and swindlers.
27 posted on 01/11/2008 2:06:06 PM PST by Aristotelian (Freedom is "the absence of coercion." F.A. Hayek, The Constitution of Liberty, 1960.)
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To: heylady

Because we’re the American citizens, we pay the taxes and cough up all the money for their socialist programs. Follow the money in this instance is us.


28 posted on 01/11/2008 2:06:29 PM PST by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Cobra64

Doesn’t look like there’s room.


29 posted on 01/11/2008 2:12:34 PM PST by GunsareOK
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To: FFranco

This is OK with me but my conservative FRiends won’t like it. Flame at will.


30 posted on 01/11/2008 2:14:24 PM PST by GunsareOK
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To: Calpernia

Thank you for the link. Bookmarked.


31 posted on 01/11/2008 2:19:19 PM PST by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Cobra64
"Just barcode my forehead and get it over with."

I think it would be more like:

"El barcode justo mi frente y la consigue encima con, gringo"

32 posted on 01/11/2008 2:22:22 PM PST by Azzurri
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To: Leisler

33 posted on 01/11/2008 2:31:51 PM PST by Aristotelian (Freedom is "the absence of coercion." F.A. Hayek, The Constitution of Liberty, 1960.)
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To: Aristotelian

And people under 40! I like the new law, but HATE that, once again, baby boomers and seniors don’t have to comply with it.

If under 40s need to comply, then everyone should.


34 posted on 01/11/2008 2:32:50 PM PST by olivia3boys
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To: Leisler

35 posted on 01/11/2008 2:36:08 PM PST by Aristotelian (Freedom is "the absence of coercion." F.A. Hayek, The Constitution of Liberty, 1960.)
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To: olivia3boys

I say youth is wasted on the young.


36 posted on 01/11/2008 2:37:21 PM PST by Aristotelian (Freedom is "the absence of coercion." F.A. Hayek, The Constitution of Liberty, 1960.)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
How about the states that demand driver ID's for VOTING. The Feds gonna clean that up too, since they are intimately linked?

Knowing Chertoff, I'm sure they've worked out a system that will let them keep track of citizens and their activities, while giving dead people and illegal aliens the right to vote or work without having to pay taxes.

37 posted on 01/11/2008 2:37:35 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Azzurri

Por ingles, prensa dos.


38 posted on 01/11/2008 2:38:27 PM PST by Leisler
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To: Aristotelian

39 posted on 01/11/2008 2:42:50 PM PST by Leisler
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To: FFranco
Many Americans object to the government forcing them to carry a national identification card, like many other countries do.

That's because this used to be free country and there was a reason why we left Europe. Many Americans object to the government forcing them to do a lot of things.

Why does an American citizen need to prove they're supposed to be here, rather than those who are not citizens?

40 posted on 01/11/2008 2:53:20 PM PST by infidel29 (I'm pulling for Fred... The 6 of us just don't have a loud enough voice to "b" Duncan Hunter "ttt")
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To: Calpernia

NY Elloit Spitzer want to delay ID cards it until 2018

Check out a few of these links

Spitzer and Cheroff strick a deal it stinks!

http://wcbstv.com/topstories/drivers.license.dhs.2.415047.html

http://www.immigrationwatchdog.com/?cat=23&paged=2


41 posted on 01/11/2008 3:10:18 PM PST by restornu (Teach them correct principles and let them govern themselves ~ Joseph Smith)
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To: Leisler
I find the image disturbing because it reminds me of an experience I had as a boy. I noticed a tattoo on the arm of an elderly neighbor and innocently asked her what it was. She proceeded to tell me about Auschwitz. It was a life-changing experience, I’ll tell you.
42 posted on 01/11/2008 3:10:32 PM PST by Aristotelian (Freedom is "the absence of coercion." F.A. Hayek, The Constitution of Liberty, 1960.)
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To: infidel29

Many illegal aliens have no problem passing for citizens. How do you tell the difference between someone with a legitimate right to live in and work in America and someone without that right?


43 posted on 01/11/2008 4:22:48 PM PST by FFranco
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To: 353FMG

I have no problem with the government requiring everyone to carry an official id card. My thought was that if passports are required instead of id cards there would be less objection. Now passports are required for travel to Canada and Mexico.

Passports need to be the size they are so visas can be stamped inside them.


44 posted on 01/11/2008 4:26:50 PM PST by FFranco
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To: Aristotelian

Passports need to be the size they are so visas can be stamped inside them. A national id card carried by all citizens and aliens that includes information about the person’s citizenship and immigration status makes more sense.


45 posted on 01/11/2008 4:30:32 PM PST by FFranco
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To: Calpernia

This is bullshit.

Go ahead and ban me.


46 posted on 01/11/2008 4:31:11 PM PST by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: Calpernia

If Chertoff could get more than 2 out of 10 ID screeners at the airport checkpoints to actually look at the bearer of the ID and compare the picture, I’d be really impressed. I think most of them are just matching the name on the boarding pass to the name on the ID. I would doubt that many of them even check to see if the ID has expired. I’ve been throught checkpoints at 3 different airports this week and have yet to be “eye-balled”.


47 posted on 01/11/2008 4:58:54 PM PST by Hat-Trick (Do you trust a government that cannot trust you with guns?)
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To: FFranco
How do you tell the difference...

Start by profiling, do they look like they're supposed to be here? Next, do they speak english? Ask me for my driver's license, I'm happy to show you that.

What I'm not happy about is a jack-booted government thug asking "your papers please."

Part of the Real ID plan being talked about is the fact that it must be carried at all times, I know my DL number and can recite it off to a cop if necessary even if I don't have it on me.

Another part is the proposed RFID chip imbedded in every card, unique to each citizen, that can be tracked by GPS. I don't need the government spying on where I choose to vacation, visit or shop.

No thanks, I don't want to feel like I'm the guilty one in my own country.

48 posted on 01/11/2008 5:46:27 PM PST by infidel29 (I'm pulling for Fred... The 6 of us just don't have a loud enough voice to "b" Duncan Hunter "ttt")
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To: infidel29
Real ID is mandatory: RFID is "Optional"
The RFID will only be mandatory in IDs that can also be used for passports and it will be optional "if RFID is not available." There's also a matter of functional range and whether or not they can actually fit power supplies on these things.

I'm trying to stay optimistic, but I have to say I'm dissapointed. Time to get the state legislature passing laws like they have in Texas.
49 posted on 01/11/2008 6:14:45 PM PST by underground
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To: Aristotelian

“——there are only three sets of people who should be upset by the new Real IDs: terrorists, illegal aliens and swindlers.”

I agree!!!

I would not mind seeing the three systems, the ID, the eye scan and the fingerprint. That would help on air travel (and believe me I think of that). AND voter fraud!!!
And speaking of air travel - I have NO problem with taking off my shoes, having my take-on inspected, and if something look suspecious in my luggage PLEASE PLEASE check it out!!!

Vacationing in Mexico in the 70’s, 80’s, & 90’s, I know you had to have ID and not just one piece of ID.

Canada was also very difficult to enter!!

And please carefully check my ID to voting - mail in ballots is just open for fraud!!! Motor Voter Bill is begging for fraud.

I never thought I would say -— illegal alliens & close our borders, but....

we must attend to illegal alliens in our country and close our borders. And deal with the ones who break our rules.


50 posted on 01/11/2008 6:18:56 PM PST by malia ( The Media is ignoring you FRED THOMPSON but I'm not ! And I know Duncan HUNTER is there also!)
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