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Message to Religious Conservatives: Giuliani Would Appoint Solid Supreme Court Justices
Patterico's Pontifications ^ | Jan. 23, 2008

Posted on 01/23/2008 10:31:44 AM PST by jdm

It took Nixon to go to China. It took Bill Clinton, a Democrat, to get control of the federal deficit. (Sorry, conservatives, but it’s true.) And it might take Rudy Giuliani to appoint solid Supreme Court Justices.

With Fred Thompson out of the race, judicial conservatives are looking for a candidate. John McCain? Three words: Gang of 14. Mike Huckabee? He’ll never be President. Mitt Romney? Ehhhh . . . he might be OK — but I think he comes across to voters as too slick and unprincipled. And there may be a reason for that.

But there’s no reason, in my judgment, to question Rudy Giuliani on the issue of judges. This is the argument made in a September 2007 New York Times op-ed piece that I think is worth resurrecting with Thompson’s exit. The op-ed was written at a time when Giuliani was looking much stronger in the polls, but the substance of the op-ed still holds:

I think Mr. Giuliani will be the most effective advocate for the pro-life cause precisely because he is unreligious and a supporter of abortion rights.

The author makes a very persuasive case:

In a televised Republican debate, Mr. Giuliani said it would be “O.K.” if Roe were overturned but “O.K. also” if the Supreme Court viewed it as a binding precedent. Despite this ambivalence, Mr. Giuliani promises to nominate judges who are “strict constructionists.” His campaign Web site explains: “It is the responsibility of the people and their representatives to make laws. It is the role of judges to apply those laws, not to amend our Constitution without the consent of the American people.”

Roe v. Wade, with no textual warrant in the Constitution, struck down the states’ democratically enacted restrictions on abortion. By fighting Roe, pro-lifers aim not to make abortion illegal by judicial fiat, but to return the decision about how to regulate abortion to the states, where we are confident we can win.

Our greatest obstacle is the popular belief that overturning Roe would automatically make abortion illegal everywhere. In fact, our goal may well be undermined by politicians like President Bush, who seem to use “strict constructionist” as nothing more than code for “anti-abortion.”

Only a constitutionalist who supports abortion rights can create an anti-Roe majority by explaining that the end of Roe means letting the people decide, state by state, about abortion.

Mr. Giuliani’s ambivalence about the end of Roe is consistent with his belief that judges should not seek to achieve political ends. This is a judicial philosophy that pro-lifers should applaud, not condemn. It is, after all, the position consistently articulated by the pro-life movement’s favorite Supreme Court justices: John Roberts, Samuel Alito, Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia.

Indeed.

I am ambivalent about abortion myself. I’m not confident that abortion is “murder” from the very moment of conception. But I think the inflexible law created by the Supreme Court has created a set of rules that allow abortions too late, for flimsy or nonexistent justifications.

But regardless of your personal view, we should all be able to agree that the issue should be decided by We the People and not nine lawyers wearing robes.

I think Rudy believes that. Last time I checked, Rudy’s advisory committee was people with folks I respect and trust on this issue, like Ted Olson and Miguel Estrada. These are not weak-kneed adherents of a living Constitution, and I don’t think Rudy is either.

Mr. Giuliani makes the same arguments that we pro-lifers make. But he can be more persuasive because he will not be perceived as trying to advance his own religious preferences. By taking the side of pro-lifers for democratic, but not devout, motives, a President Giuliani could shake up the nearly 35-year-old debate over Roe v. Wade.

I agree. I think Rudy could make that happen — if only Republicans would allow him to be the nominee.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bullshiite; giuliani; issues; judicialnominees; justices; scotus
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For discussion - I'm not a fan of Rudy.
1 posted on 01/23/2008 10:31:46 AM PST by jdm
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To: jdm

I’m not a Rudy fan either but I do believe he’d be ok on judicial appointments. He was a tough-on-crime prosecutor and as such is going to want strict-constructionist judges.


2 posted on 01/23/2008 10:33:13 AM PST by samtheman
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Really now why should I ‘’’’’’believe’’’’’???? Rudy does not live under conservatism why would he want that rule of law?


3 posted on 01/23/2008 10:33:18 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: jdm
It took Bill Clinton, a Democrat, to get control of the federal deficit.

Huh?

4 posted on 01/23/2008 10:33:33 AM PST by LouAvul
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To: jdm
Yep, it just makes sense that Rudy will appoint justices,,,

TO PROTECT US FROM LIBERALS LIKE HIMSELF. /s

5 posted on 01/23/2008 10:33:54 AM PST by stockstrader (We need a conservative who will UNITE the Party, not a liberal who will DEMORALIZE it!)
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To: samtheman
He was a tough-on-crime prosecutor and as such is going to want strict-constructionist judges.

You have it backwards - he wants liberal judges who remove rights.
6 posted on 01/23/2008 10:35:06 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: jdm

Well, at least that’s what his face is saying today.


7 posted on 01/23/2008 10:35:14 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (Don't trust anyone who can’t take a joke. [Congressman BillyBob])
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To: jdm

Rudy will not be President so the idea is merely fanciful speculation which, in all sincerity, I doubt. He will not appoint ‘soild conservatives’ because that’ll upset the NYC liberals too much.


8 posted on 01/23/2008 10:35:21 AM PST by PeterFinn (A muslim in the White House would be an Obamination.)
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“It took Bill Clinton, a Democrat, to get control of the federal deficit.”

Stopped reading right there


9 posted on 01/23/2008 10:35:49 AM PST by Squidpup ("Fight the Good Fight")
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To: jdm
It took Bill Clinton, a Democrat, to get control of the federal deficit. (Sorry, conservatives, but it’s true.)

Oh, yeah. That debt clock really was spinning backwards when the Master-Insink-abator was in office.

10 posted on 01/23/2008 10:36:15 AM PST by N. Theknow (Kennedys: Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat; but they know what's best for us)
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Sorry, Rudy! No Sale.

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11 posted on 01/23/2008 10:36:25 AM PST by TommyDale (Never forget the Republicans who voted for illegal immigrant amnesty in 2007!)
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Message to Religious Conservatives: Giuliani Would Appoint Solid Supreme Court Justices

While wearing a pick dress.

12 posted on 01/23/2008 10:36:38 AM PST by donna (Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me.)
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To: af_vet_rr

Liberal judges boost imaginary rights to full legal status, such as the right of foreign combatants to full judicial process. Liberal judges let hardened criminals out of jail with a slap on the wrist.


13 posted on 01/23/2008 10:37:59 AM PST by samtheman
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Message to Religious Conservatives: Giuliani Would Appoint Solid Supreme Court Justices

in other news, Black is White, Amelia Erhart is found alive and living with Judge Crater and Scientist clone flying pig

14 posted on 01/23/2008 10:38:52 AM PST by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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"It took Bill Clinton, a Democrat, to get control of the federal deficit. (Sorry, conservatives, but it’s true.)"

Sorry Mr. Lib but that's not true. Clinton was NEVER for a balanced budget. A new conservative congress elected in '94 forced a budget on Clinton in order to deal with the deficit. Clinton's last proposed budget called for $200 billion deficits. When the Republican plan actually worked, Clinton tried to take credit for the plan he fought tooth and nail against.

15 posted on 01/23/2008 10:39:44 AM PST by joebuck
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To: af_vet_rr

That was my thought, too. He is no fan of the 2nd Amendment.


16 posted on 01/23/2008 10:39:51 AM PST by MizSterious (Deport all the illegals to sanctuary cities.)
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To: jdm
It took Bill Clinton, a Democrat, to get control of the federal deficit. (Sorry, conservatives, but it’s true.)

It took a conservative Congress to get control of the federal deficit...boy, couldn't we use that now

I don't trust for a minute that Rudy would appoint strict constructionist judges...Rudy either doesn't understand the US Constitution and the limited powers the federal government has...or he doesn't care

How else to explain the fact that, in 1993, he met with President Clinton to push for national gun registration? How else to explain that Rudy was a vocal supporter of the Brady Bill (which he claimed didn't go far enough)? How else to explain that Rudy supported the federal ban on certain semi-automatic firearms?

17 posted on 01/23/2008 10:40:27 AM PST by estimator (Defeat the illegal aliens' 3 Amigos--i.e. McCain, Huckleberry & Frooty)
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To: Squidpup

That statement alone loses all credibility the article had.

It took a conservative congress elected in 1994 to get control of the federal deficit. The author should know that all spending bills start with the House of Representatives.


18 posted on 01/23/2008 10:40:36 AM PST by MBB1984
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To: jdm
I think Mr. Giuliani will be the most effective advocate for the pro-life cause precisely because he is unreligious and a supporter of abortion rights.

That just may be the most ridiculous statement that I've ever read. What absolute horse manure.

19 posted on 01/23/2008 10:40:57 AM PST by Bob
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To: Vaquero

Well, the headline didn’t say solid WHAT....

;)


20 posted on 01/23/2008 10:41:10 AM PST by MizSterious (Deport all the illegals to sanctuary cities.)
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