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Free Republic's excerpt and link list ^ | Feb 1, 2008 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 02/01/2008 3:07:03 PM PST by Jim Robinson

We received a copyright infringement notice today from Forbes.com. They requested that we either remove a thread that contained a full text posting of one of their articles or reduce it to a brief one paragraph excerpt with a link back to their source article. We have complied with their request and have added Forbes.com to the excerpt and link only list.

My understanding of fair use is that we can quote small amounts of copyrighted works for critiquing and discussion purposes as long as we're not adversely impacting the publisher's market for his works.

Our excerpt and link list is growing (click link above) and I'm afraid it's just a matter of time until we're going to have to require excerpting on all posts.

Please comply with our source publishers' copyright requests by excerpting your article posts where required and linking back to the source sites. Please keep the excerpts brief and do not continue the excerpted article in the comments or reply sections.

Thank you all very much.

Jim Robinson


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1 posted on 02/01/2008 3:07:05 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

Can you make that a perminent link on or in the banner area?? It would make life much easier for everyone.

JMHO..


2 posted on 02/01/2008 3:08:50 PM PST by xcamel (Two-hand-voting now in play - One on lever, other holding nose.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Did Mitt Romney buy Forbes?

(just kidding——I think)


3 posted on 02/01/2008 3:09:01 PM PST by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Jim Robinson

How dare they try to profit from their intelectual property. Do they have no social conscience? Has hillary been notified?


5 posted on 02/01/2008 3:10:24 PM PST by bad company (How much easier is self-sacrifice than self-realization)
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To: jimrob

I had something pulled earlier this week that sighted Wikipedia.

Wikipedia is not on the banned list.

Wikipedia’s own web site says that they allow posting of Wikipeida material.

I think Wikipedia is OK.

What do you say, boss?


6 posted on 02/01/2008 3:14:44 PM PST by Jack Black
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To: Jim Robinson
Can you make that a permanent link on or in the banner area?? It would make life much easier for everyone.

Yes. Please. Thanks.

7 posted on 02/01/2008 3:15:16 PM PST by M. Dodge Thomas (Opinion based on research by an eyewear firm, which surveyed 100 members of a speed dating club.)
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To: xcamel

thanks... list will come in handy...


8 posted on 02/01/2008 3:16:30 PM PST by xtinct (I was the next door neighbor kid's imaginary friend.)
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To: Jim Robinson

I was afraid that this was inevitable. One problem I forsee is that other sites that are under the radar, unlike FR, will post full text articles at their websites and then we will be forced to read the rest of articles at that site instead of the original source.


9 posted on 02/01/2008 3:17:13 PM PST by Jean S
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To: Jim Robinson

I just excerpt by default and that way there is no error. If it is a site that I don’t want to get any hits, I just don’t post. If what I post is of interest to some, then further reading is a mouse-click away.


10 posted on 02/01/2008 3:23:28 PM PST by WildcatClan (The epitome of irony is that few entities exist, less common, than common-sense.)
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To: Jack Black

I say they’re a bunch of propagandizing Marxists and their material is highly unreliable and is subject to change at anytime without notice because they allow anyone with an Internet account to go in and edit it. You may post something to FR today from their site that looks halfway reasonable (probably added to their site by a commonsense conservative), and then go back a week later and it’s totally opposite after being edited by some liberal yahoo.


11 posted on 02/01/2008 3:26:16 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Bookmarked.


12 posted on 02/01/2008 3:27:45 PM PST by snippy_about_it (The FReeper Foxhole. America's history, America's soul.)
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To: WildcatClan
I just excerpt by default and that way there is no error.

Me too. I figure if anyone's interested in the thread they won't mind follwing the link to read the whole source article.

13 posted on 02/01/2008 3:30:18 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: Jim Robinson

Yes sir!


14 posted on 02/01/2008 3:33:12 PM PST by gridlock (Proud Romney Supporter since January 20, 2008)
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim, are you ignoring me? There have been a few threads where we are listing our dream presidential candidate. I listed you. You would be awesome. A true conservative’s conservative. I know that you have better things to do, but a gal can dream. LOL. Have a great day!


15 posted on 02/01/2008 3:34:27 PM PST by Enough_Deceit (Proud Mama of a US Marine!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Allowing excerpts only ought to accommodate all of those outfits who are trying to make an Internet buck.

It is always a simple matter to just hit the top link bar in order to read the entire article which is what I usually do anyhow.

16 posted on 02/01/2008 3:35:22 PM PST by Radix (If your outgo exceeds your income, your upkeep will be your downfall.)
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To: xcamel; Jim Robinson

Hi Jim, I agree with xcamel. If there is a way to make it easier to find the list, it would definitely increase compliance.


17 posted on 02/01/2008 4:00:03 PM PST by rlmorel (Liberals: If the Truth would help them, they would use it.)
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To: Jack Black

Wikipedia has enjoined other, smaller, sites from using their material.


18 posted on 02/01/2008 4:05:32 PM PST by SlapHappyPappy
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To: Jim Robinson
I say they’re a bunch of propagandizing Marxists and their material is highly unreliable and is subject to change at anytime without notice because they allow anyone with an Internet account to go in and edit it.

That is the problem with Wikipedia. Awhile back, I read something that was clearly wrong, and easily provably wrong. I went in an edited it and put in the correct dates and story.

Since then, I have never used that site as a source for anything. - Tom

19 posted on 02/01/2008 4:10:08 PM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: xcamel; Jim Robinson
I second xcamel's request, but have another alternative that would also reduce unnecessary excerpting:

When a FReeper is about to post an article, FIRST present a page in which he provides the URL, then clicks "Next" (or whatever). Look up to see if this is a site that is:
- prohibited,
- requires excerpting, or
- is fair game.
(My blog will always be "fair game". An entry from December, just appeared in a church newsletter in the UK, with attribution. Nobody's seen fit to post anything to FR, but then again I can't see why they would. *\;-)

Present different screens depending upon the result, so the posting FReeper knows what the rules are BEFORE he goes through the entire posting process.

20 posted on 02/01/2008 4:51:06 PM PST by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: Radix
It is always a simple matter to just hit the top link bar in order to read the entire article which is what I usually do anyhow.

It is a simple matter... unless you're on dialup (and folks still are) and the site is larded-up with graphics and other slow-loading material. When I still used dial-up, "excerpt" meant I was not going to read the article unless I was really, really, interested enough to wait many minutes for the garbage to download.

Even now if it's excerpted, it's fairly likely I won't click through; it it's presented in its entirety on FR there's a fair chance I'll read it.

21 posted on 02/01/2008 4:55:39 PM PST by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: sionnsar
You’re right.

I hadn’t considered the dial up folks.

Sorry, I’ve had high speed for a very long while now.

I remember my early years of AOL blue strip.

I’ve been on line 14 or more years now.

22 posted on 02/01/2008 4:59:13 PM PST by Radix (If your outgo exceeds your income, your upkeep will be your downfall.)
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To: bad company

It would be impossible to show that FR is depriving anyone of revenue by reposting material here for discussion purposes.

At best, an argument might be made that a few people here might hit the Forbes website and thus deprive them of some webpage hits which could result in advertising dollars. But you couldn’t prove it, and it’s just as arguable that FR is directing more traffic to a site by those curious about the source.

Why aren’t public libraries illegal?


23 posted on 02/01/2008 5:07:04 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Jim Robinson
I can attest to this! I got in an argument with one of those liberal yahoos on a newsgroup when they were bashing Christianity, and they linked to a wiki article that they changed--it was supposed to be about persecution of Christians in the world today, but they changed the wording to make it sound like Christians are persecuting others with their "intolerant" viewpoints!! >:-(

I got a wiki account and fixed it and go back to check on it occasionally to make sure that yahoo hasn't changed it again...but I learned pretty quick that Jim is right, it's very left-leaning at wiki. Now there's supposed to be a more balanced site though, at conservapedia.com. I haven't checked it out fully, but I've heard good things about the website. Not sure if Jim would allow links to conservapedia or not.
24 posted on 02/01/2008 5:12:25 PM PST by pillut48 (CJ in TX --Soccer Mom and proud Rush Conservative! WIN, FRED, WIN!!!)
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To: Radix
Sorry, I’ve had high speed for a very long while now.

You're very fortunate. We only got there year before last, and even then limited to 26 kbps by poor telephone copper. (It got to where I could tell a bit about the weather conditions by listening to the connection negotiation tones.)

25 posted on 02/01/2008 5:18:57 PM PST by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: Jim Robinson

This article should make your head explode.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/31/AR2008013103958.html?hpid=topnews

NFL Pulls Plug On Big-Screen Church Parties For Super Bowl

Excerpt:
The NFL said, however, that the copyright law on its games is long-standing and the language read at the end of each game is well known: “This telecast is copyrighted by the NFL for the private use of our audience. Any other use of this telecast or any pictures, descriptions, or accounts of the game without the NFL’s consent is prohibited.”

The league bans public exhibitions of its games on TV sets or screens larger than 55 inches because smaller sets limit the audience size. The section of federal copyright law giving the NFL protection over the content of its programming exempts sports bars, NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy said.


26 posted on 02/01/2008 5:21:08 PM PST by khnyny (Quid Est Veritas)
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To: Enough_Deceit

LOL.

If nominated by my party I will not run. If elected I will not serve.


27 posted on 02/01/2008 5:50:48 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: sionnsar

That sounds like the best approach.


28 posted on 02/01/2008 5:53:31 PM PST by Kevmo (We need to get rid of the Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party. ~Duncan Hunter)
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To: colorcountry

;)


29 posted on 02/01/2008 6:05:15 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (Mitt willingly gives up his personal freedoms to his church..why would he protect YOURS!)
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To: Jim Robinson
If nominated by my party I will not run. If elected I will not serve.

You are a very wise man.

Besides, you're more valuable running FR!

30 posted on 02/01/2008 6:07:51 PM PST by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: sionnsar

I must agree, Jim is much more valuable running FR. However, if we could find someone like him to run. . .

Like I said, he is a conservative’s conservative.


31 posted on 02/01/2008 6:35:02 PM PST by Enough_Deceit (Proud Mama of a US Marine!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Will do! I’m sorry for the stress that this stuff must cause you, Jim. Letters from lawyers are never fun to receive.

Thanks for everything you do to keep FR going strong. :) G-d bless you and yours!


32 posted on 02/01/2008 7:15:00 PM PST by LibertyRocks ("Islam - The Religion of Pieces" -- quote from LR's "Infidel & Proud" Daughter)
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To: sionnsar
Even now if it's excerpted, it's fairly likely I won't click through; it it's presented in its entirety on FR there's a fair chance I'll read it.

Same here. In general, if they don't want their stuff posted here, I don't want to give them traffic. That's especially true for those who require links only.

I'm thinking a firefox plugin that blocks content from all sites that restrict access would be just about right.

33 posted on 02/01/2008 8:35:47 PM PST by zeugma (McCain, if you want to be sold out for a day on TV.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Excerpts. I hate them

And I don’t understand why so many original sources would want Free Republic to excerpt thier articles.

Often times, when I or other FReepers have to excerpt an article we cut and paste. We - snip - out sections to make that under 300 word requirement.

In other words we edit.

Do these morons in the MSM really want us FReeprs editing their copyrighted material? Cause that’s what we do.


34 posted on 02/02/2008 8:12:05 AM PST by Responsibility2nd
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To: xcamel

Excellent idea! We do want to follow the rules.


35 posted on 02/02/2008 8:45:16 AM PST by Fudd Fan (FREDheads for MITT!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Forbes to endorse Mc Vain ????

Me thinks, therefore ..........

36 posted on 02/02/2008 9:01:41 AM PST by IrishMike (Liberalism is Jihad from within)
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Our excerpt and link list is growing (click link above) and I'm afraid it's just a matter of time until we're going to have to require excerpting on all posts.

Updated FR Excerpt and Link Only or Deny Posting List due to Copyright Complaints

37 posted on 02/02/2008 9:13:21 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("Therefore the prudent keep silent at that time, for it is an evil time." - Amos 5:13)
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To: Capt. Tom
A while back, I read something that was clearly wrong, and easily provably wrong. I went in an edited it and put in the correct dates and story.

You should check that subject. They probably undid your edit.

38 posted on 02/02/2008 2:13:21 PM PST by TBP
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To: Jim Robinson

Link and excerpt is one thing. I think the ones who insist that we not quote them at all (or in rare cases, even cite them) are idiots. They’re actually using copyright in a way that brings DOWN traffic to their sites.

But they’re liberals, so I don’t expect them to be intelligent.


39 posted on 02/02/2008 2:16:21 PM PST by TBP
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To: TBP
You should check that subject. They probably undid your edit.

I just went there and checked and my edits are still intact- Tom.

40 posted on 02/02/2008 3:06:50 PM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: sionnsar
It is a simple matter... unless you're on dialup (and folks still are) and the site is larded-up with graphics and other slow-loading material.

Before hitting the link, click on Tools, Options, Content tab, check 'block pop up windows', uncheck 'load images automatically'. Add in flashblocker, and you should be set.

Of course, that's for Firefox.

IE, try Tools, Internet Options, Advanced tab, scroll to multimedia, uncheck 'show pictures' check 'show image download placeholders', uncheck 'play animations...', uncheck ' enable automatic image resizing' and see if that helps.

I used to be on dial up, and after that a very slow DSL. If you need help with Seamonkey, Netscape or Mozilla, let me know, and I'll see what I can do.

41 posted on 02/02/2008 8:41:10 PM PST by PAR35
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To: Capt. Tom

Amazing! How will they maintain a “neutral point of view” if they let factual information overwhelm liberal propaganda?


42 posted on 02/02/2008 10:02:25 PM PST by TBP
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To: sionnsar

Well said #21 Sionnsar. I, however am forced to connect by carrier pigeon and my bird is getting older and arthritic....walks most of the time.


43 posted on 02/02/2008 10:33:43 PM PST by P8triot1 (Liberalism ALWAYS produces the exact opposite of its stated intent. Quinns 1st. law..)
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To: TBP
Amazing! How will they maintain a “neutral point of view” if they let factual information overwhelm liberal propaganda?

My corrections were on a subject that was not political, so there was no need to change it back. - tom

44 posted on 02/03/2008 6:57:37 AM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: Capt. Tom
My corrections were on a subject that was not political

That's usually the liberals' favorite place to insert their little pink pills.

45 posted on 02/03/2008 12:47:34 PM PST by TBP
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To: khnyny
The league bans public exhibitions of its games on TV sets or screens larger than 55 inches because smaller sets limit the audience size.

So gett two or three sets just under the legal limit and place them around the room.

BTW, it might be time for the Sports Broadcasting Act to be repealed.

46 posted on 02/03/2008 12:49:48 PM PST by TBP
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To: Jim Robinson

We’d best practice up on our “book report” skills.


47 posted on 02/03/2008 5:23:06 PM PST by NonValueAdded (What Would Hobson Choose?)
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To: Jim Robinson

BTTT


48 posted on 02/03/2008 5:24:36 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: Jim Robinson

i WONDER if we could proactively approach some of the more conservative folks and publications and ask them or express blanket permission to post full articles WITH the link to their sites?

Thanks for all you do for us and for our Republic.


49 posted on 02/03/2008 5:25:30 PM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Jim Robinson

Why don’t news sites want FR to post their stories? I can kind of see how they wouldn’t want the whole story, so that you have to go to their site to read the rest and they get the hits, but how does it help them to forbid it completely? Won’t they just end up being ignored?


50 posted on 02/03/2008 5:31:18 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl (I'd rather win with McCain than lose with Romney)
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