A Question to Those Considering Sitting Out or Voting for Hillary

2/2/08 | FargoRock

[Fargo Rock]

Something has been bothering me all week and I'm hoping someone here can make me understand. Since 2001, we've been calling the Democrats a party of surrender, anti-war, anti-troops, etc. McCain has his faults. There's no question about it. But why are people like Ann Coulter, Tammy Bruce, Michelle Malkin and many here ready to hand over control of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the future of the War on Terror, and the care of our troops to Hillary Clinton? That's what will happen if people decide to either stay home or vote for Hillary in some kind of misguided moral protest. Don't our troops deserve better than that? It's throwing them to the wolves.

[TBP]

Any person who would give government the ability to regulate political speech should be hounded from office.

That includes not only McCain and Feingold, but every elected individual who did not go to the mat in opposition to McCain-Feingold.

Teh worst restriction on free speech in this country since the Alien and Sedition Acts. And look whose name is on it -- as lead sponsor.

[LWalk18]

Agree with you. The key words here are the Republican opposition will be more effective.

How will they be more effective? Do you honestly think that there is a scenario where there is a Clinton win and the same or more Republicans in Congress? The Republicans have lost Congress in 2006, if Clinton wins she will have coattails. And do not delude yourself into believing that Clinton will mess up in a way that will make her unelectable in 2012. She has been in Washington for 16 years, she will be able to push a national health care program, for instance, that will be push any ill effects past the end of her presidency. She will likely have a couple of seats to fill on the Supreme Court and she will have a Democratic Congress to help her, if the minority Democrats could not stop Roberts and Alito from being appointed, what makes you think that the minority Republicans will be able to stop a hard core liberal from being appointed?

[Prokopton]

Me too. One of them is bringing terrorists onto American soil because we close Gitmo. and it is one of the reasons I can't understand how people say McAmnesty is strong on WoT.

McCain is also against the use of interrogation techniques that our intelligence agencies have stated has procured information that was used to stop terrorist attacks against this Country. Would these attacks have been successful with a President McCain?

I don't think McCain understands the WOT enough to be a strong leader fighting it.

[LWalk18]

A Republican pick can sometimes turn out to be a Souter, sometimes a Scalia.

A Democratic pick will always turn out to be a Ginsberg.

[calcowgirl]

McCain has an 82% conservative rating

McCain's not-so-stellar ACU ratings:

2000	81
2001	68
2002	78
2003	75
2004	72
2005	80
2006	65

[jonrick46]

I can’t believe that so many are taking Ann Coulter’s words seriously. When I heard it, I laughed. It was a tactic people. She was doing an imitation of the true fools who will vote for a HillBillary or an Obama rather than McCain. By putting this thinking in the public arena, she is doing two things: she is showing how loathsome the idea of McCain’s nomination and how ridiculous it would be to trade McCain’s loathsomeness with the horrors of the Left. What she did was set off the fire alarm in the building. Did anyone hear? If McCain does become the nominee, we all are going to learn how to pinch our noses.

[Liberty Valance]

LOL!

[Bullish]

If the GOP is ready to nominate a McCain, then the party has left me and my conservative values behind. Time to join or form another party that supports my beliefs.

[egginanest]

Thank you......well said.

[Swiss]

The troops deserve a leader that will listen to other opinions. If you want to know how the McCain administration will treat the military I suggest reading about Hitler and his generals. Like Hitler, McCain thinks he is the all knowing expert on military matters. If a general or admiral challenges him? Goodbye general.

If some general looks like they are getting the media’s glory I predict that McCain will end that career for the same reasons Stalin and Hitler got envious of their star generals.

And have you looked at his national defense voting record back in the 1990’s? He was voting against his party to cut the military. He wanted us to get rid of the B-2 Bomber, C-130 Transport, Seawolf Submarine and a bunch of other stuff. The military is where he is the budget cutter.

Obama, Hillary, etc will not focus as much on the military as McCain and therefore won’t do as much damage. My personal opinion is that McCain hates the military since they didn’t make him an admiral like his father. I think the support the war thing is nothing more that a political calculation that he can win conservative votes by doing so. There has been some key Iraq votes that McCain made a lot of public speeches about at the time but either voted “Present” or didn’t show up to vote. Same with Petraeus, if you listen to McCain he is all about how much he backs General Petraeus. But while researching his votes I noted that McCain didn’t bother to vote to promote the star general.

McCain is not fit to be Commander in Chief in my opinion.

[Marie2]

“Were we at war during Carter 1 and Clinton?

Yes. The jihad started in the carter administration with the takeover of our embassy in Tehran. Carter’s brilliant response and the subsequent 444 days of our daily humiliation at the hands of islamist “students” convinced all of the umma that we could be defeated.

clinton’s active support of the muslim side in the Balklands assured islamic radicals everywhere that we are a stupid and self destructive people. When he tucked his tail between his legs and ran from Mogadishu, that was the defining moment when Osama bin Laden decided that islamic victory was inevitable.

Yes. We were at war. carter and clinton were just too weak, stupid, and cowardly to do anything about it or even recognize the fact.”

Which is why I’ll vote for Huckabee, or Romney, or McCain, WHOEVER is the nominee.

[Squantos]

Problem is (IMHO) concerned good honorable conservatives folks like yourself are barking at the followers vs the leaders........a base is a foundation that never moves. Conservatives are here we never left the GOP. The GOP left us on the curb . They want my vote they know what they have to support to get it........ they can start simple with that constitution thingy.

I share yer frustration yet am firmly against McCain. I may and that is a reach be able to stomach the Twitt or Husckster but never McCain and Amnesty , Gun control, Pro Choice and his other BS........He is not presidential.

God help us all if he is the GOP pick as the Clintonistas want to run against him......... wouldn’t surprise me if he loses the GOP nomination she picks him as a VP running mate.......yeah I know a reach......:o)

[Marie2]

No, but radioactive hot dogs take a lot more casualties than rancid burger.

I was just continuing on someone else’s analogy. I don’t find McCain/Romney/Huck to be the political equivalent of Hilary/Obama. Hilary/Obama is a TON worse.

[upsdriver]

Hey, I’m not happy about these events. The Republican party has royally screwed up. They have no one to blame but themselves. They are going to lose this election. I do hope that Obama derails the Clinton machine and at least takes them out of the picture.

[Fargo Rock]

I didn’t know about his vote regarding Petraeus’ promotion. Did he vote against it or just wasn’t there?

I really want to make clear that I wasn’t browbeating anyone into voting for McCain, Hillary, Tom Brady or anyone else. I honestly wanted to hear people’s opinions on McCain vs Clinton regarding the War on Terror. It wasn’t some kind of setup or an attempt to cause trouble.

[Nowhere Man]

I do not feel it is in the best interest of the nation to vote for MCain. I believe he is mental. I believe Hillary with all of her failings would serve the nation better. It pains me to think this way. We must look at what is best for the Republic not just the party. I am a life long Republican —and a moderate one at that— but there is something about McCain that sends chills up my spine. He’s Nixon without the charm. He will be bad for the nation and cause more harm that Hillary and her “Hubby.”

I once joked, "I'd vote for Saddam Hussein before I vote for McCain." B-D

Getting serious here....

Well, I am terrified that we will end up with McCain, Obama, or Hillary although I do agree with you on McCain's mean, mental streak. The only thing Hillary has in her favor is that she is cold, calculating and I don't think she will make a move without thinking like a chess computer. I like to call her "a computer in a pants suit." Will I vote more McCain, most likely not unless you can really convince me or if through hours of prayer and thinking, it feels the best thing to do, but I will most likely go third party or write my name in. I hope Mitt Romney, even if he has his flaws, somehow beats McCain. The other "good side" with Hillary is that she will most likely put a fire under the Republican's butts to oppose her much like her husband did in the 1990's. This is going to be one long election season and I really don't know what to do, I have a rule, "no more Clintons," but if it is McCain, I just can't do it, vote for him I mean.

As to Obama, IIRC, he is a bit like McCain but with the ability to charm a corpse back to life. Obama once said that he would go into Pakistan to get Bin Laden, that is good, but he would just jump in without looking.

Crap, why can't we get somebody with scruples and good name recognition to run, maybe Chuck Norris (although he supports Huckabee), or whatever.

[investigateworld]

That's pretty much the way I see it.

Of course I've been saying for a year the Hildebeast has it in the bag.

"No way Investigateworld", was the response, " her negatives are too high".

"Jest y'all watch what the Republican Party puts up against her", I replied.

And I believe whatever deal was made between the Bush and Clinton families is still being honored.

McCain is a strawman ... and has too much ego to recognized he's being played.

Thus should I were to sit out an election, which I've only done once in my life, then I will simply be following the wishes of the GOP establishment.

What?

You think 'they' believe McCain can get elected without conservatives?

[upsdriver]

If McCain does become the nominee, we all are going to learn how to pinch our noses.

You are misreading the base, if that is what you think. This isn't pretend anger going out across the country.

[COgamer]

“God help us all if he is the GOP pick as the Clintonistas want to run against him......... wouldn’t surprise me if he loses the GOP nomination she picks him as a VP running mate.......yeah I know a reach......:o)”

I dunno... I’ve said that exact same thing. We know he asked to be Kerry’s running mate (ok, it’s been reported and frankly I believe it). Hillary knows she’s weak with independents. Would she pick Obama at this point? Or would that be too MUCH change? I think she might very well ask McCain, if he’s not the nominee, to shore up her support with moderates and independents. There’s really no reason for her not to.